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Title: Welfare money might be going to illegal immigrants, but don't call it a scandal
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URL Source: http://www.lvrj.com/news/22803894.html
Published: Jul 4, 2008
Author: JOHN L. SMITH
Post Date: 2008-07-04 08:28:56 by Jethro Tull
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Comments: 25
It's an outrage. It's a scandal. It's un-American. And something must be done. What is it? It's the army of illegal aliens getting fat off state welfare benefits. Or, at least that's what earnest callers and letter-writers contend in their regular communications on the subject. Few things seem to rankle readers more than the idea that people here illegally are collecting benefits traditionally reserved for taxpaying citizens. With the state budget facing a crisis and the economy on the skids, lately I have been reminded more than usual of the unreported costs generated by the undocumented in our midst. Complaints that come in sporadically in fat times greatly increase in frequency and volume when the governor calls for more than $1 billion in state budget cuts. Polls indicate most Nevadans long ago made up their minds about the aliens among them. A Public Opinion Strategies survey taken in April 2006 provides a substantive baseline for the Silver State's immigration mind-set. Pollster Glen Bolger found 88 percent of voters saw themselves concerned "about the issue of illegal immigration." And 76 percent saw a candidate's stance on the issue as something they would likely consider before voting. When it comes to receiving a cherished benefit such as the Millennium Scholarship, 67 percent of Nevadans surveyed believed illegal immigrants should be excluded. And another 74 percent believed it should be a felony for businesses to hire illegals. Only half of those polled agreed that children of illegal immigrants should be able to pay in-state college tuition. In other words, Nevadans harbored strong feelings about illegal immigration, most of it negative. But while the presence of undocumented immigrants in the community may add costs to everything from the county hospital and public education to police service and courtroom calendar calls, it doesn't seem to have crippled Nevada's traditionally tight-fisted welfare system. I know that won't sit well with those who dream of an impenetrable border fence and believe illegal immigration is bankrupting the nation. I'm sure the letters are being written before the ink dries on this column. There's no shortage of outrage, but in this area there's no great scandal. At least that's the view of Nevada Division of Welfare and Supportive Services administrator Nancy Ford. Her office processes claims for things like federal food stamps and Temporary Assistance for Needy Families dollars. The first common misconception is that illegal immigrant adults are allowed to collect temporary assistance funds, Ford says. They're not. Undocumented adults are banned by law, and documented adults are banned for five years. Their children, however, can receive TANF help. And, obviously, their parents would be allowed access to the dollars. Of the 21,043 people in Nevada receiving TANF money as of my recent interview, Ford says 2,350 of those are "citizen children of both documented and undocumented aliens." There were 831 immigrant families in the system last month. There's no way around the fact, Ford says, "the adults are going to get the check because the kids aren't going to be able to pay rent and buy food." Just how much do these children receive? It's $306.62 a month per family for the first child and $50 for each additional child. That's not much incentive to start producing progeny. "I would say it's probably not cost-effective to have more children," Ford says. "I think the public has a misconception that undocumented aliens are eligible for these programs. They're not." Nor, she adds, are the noncitizen children of undocumented immigrants. Here is where state welfare sources tell me they see a problem. They tell me it can be much more difficult and time-consuming for citizens with proper identification to receive benefits than it is for immigrants with no proof of citizenship for their children. Although no one is turned away at the county hospital, Ford says, only the children of illegal immigrants are eligible for emergency medical care. All this doesn't mean documented and undocumented immigrants don't generate a cost to the state's welfare service or that there aren't folks gaming the system. But that cost should be kept in perspective when people start shouting about an immigrant scandal in state welfare. Of course, your definition of scandal also depends on your view of immigration. Let the letter writing begin.
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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Congress. Fox News. Having McCain and Obama as THE options. Borrowing money from China for an American Economic Stimulus Plan. ...so MANY things immediately come to mind.... And, yes, illegals on the government gravy train,... that, too. Happy Independence Day!!
I shall not vote for evil, lesser or otherwise.
Doubtful if the author ever spent much time visiting the "hood" filled with mamas and ten children. Immaculate conception all. There is money and freebies in having chillun.
Think mandatory sterilization.
...For the evil whities that are opressing the poor, poor, sweet, innocent, downtrodden minorities.
Pictures say it all.. No PC needed to cover it. The food stamps riots due to the recent midwest flooding. Look at who is there by the hundreds, overweight black females demanding their rights. Take a look same day at the people out sandbagging and trying to hold back the Missisip River...damned whitey, male and female, not a fat one there. Just telling you what the photos show.
How about ILLEGAL immigration, toe sucker?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Go to any ER, listen to any illegal avoid all knowledge of English, dont know from nothing. Walk out smiling, not owing a cent and the next sucker inline (you) part part of his bill.
Take a look same day at the people out sandbagging and trying to hold back the Missisip River...damned whitey, male and female, not a fat one there. Just telling you what the photos show.
I don't have a problem with Mexicans. In my experience they, as a group, are a warm, hard-working, family-oriented, loving and fun people. The goverment divides the people by pitting them against one another through socialist programs. I think it's best to focus on the issues and not the bait.
Illegal aliens are killing us.
The unnatural pace of forced integration is killing us, as well as the flouting of the laws of our land regarding borders, immigration, and employment. It's a traditional invasion abetted by our political leaders. And for good reason — Mexicans won't resist the New World Order. They will welcome it in the name of cultural tolerance. Ron Paul has continually failed us on this issue.
Well said, buck. I don't follow on RP, tho?
Last night the wife and I went to grocery and the bastards were running around the store like they owned everything in it. There must have been 30 of those SOBS. They were blathering and shouting in Spanish across the aisles and blocking them. They smelled worse than a fresh pile of pig shit on a cornfield. They were in everyones faces about it. I couldn't wait to get away from those filthy hogs. Of course, I'm sure their overloaded carts were paid for with food stamps. Probably not one bar of soap in those carts.
formerly GJones.
RP continually avoided any talk that could be attacked as racist toward illegals, and therefore ignored some of our worst problems. In retrospect, I think he has done similar things with respect to Zionism. He's too timid to speak up, which caused him to lose a sizable number of supporters who are well aware that it's too late for mincing words.
hey, IJ. how're you doing?
Hi Christine! All things considered, I'm doing pretty well. It's been a rough ride since last September and I haven't had much time to post. Things are slowly returning to normal though. Thanks for asking.
formerly GJones.
The PTB are force feeding us this browning of America, just as they did with our schools and neighborhoods. Forced government integration, with people I want nothing to do with, and who directly cost me mucho tax dollars. What really angers me is we have no power to alter this slide into cultural oblivion. Politicians all want this crap and what's worse, some asshats among us still believe in the system that put all this on us. I'm not sure which I despise more, the system, or the holes who think we have legitimate alternatives to their agenda.
This is outrageous also axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/article_27432.shtml
Bookmarked. Powerful stuff.
Informed people no longer get a pass from me.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Enough to gag a person.
That's not much incentive to start producing progeny. Bullshit, those mexicons get it. Their children are born here under fraudulent conditions and they reap the benefits of public school, free medical care at hospitals, etc. Damn Bush and damn every illegal piece of brown shit in America.
Check out the statistics presented in this 2006 testimony to the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration and Claims by Steven A. Camarota, Director of Research, Center for Immigration Studies. It will make your hair stand on end. www.cis.org/articles/2006/sactestimony082406.html "Immigration's Impact on Public Coffers" Other dollars and cents news articles here:
staggering. i did find this one to be of interest. The NRC estimated that an immigrant without a high school diploma will create a net lifetime burden of $89,000, for an immigrant with only a high school education it is burden of $31,000. However, an immigrant with education beyond high school is a fiscal benefit of $105,000.
Incredible. Saved to bookmark. Thanks!
It's an outrage. It's a scandal. It's un-American.
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
That's not much incentive to start producing progeny.
#3. To: wbales, Cynicom, all (#1)
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
Think mandatory sterilization...
#5. To: Jethro Tull, wbales (#3)
#6. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
Of course, your definition of scandal also depends on your view of immigration.
#7. To: Rotara (#6)
#8. To: Cynicom (#5)
The food stamps riots due to the recent midwest flooding. Look at who is there by the hundreds, overweight black females demanding their rights.
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#11. To: Jethro Tull, angle, Cynicom (#10)
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#16. To: christine (#15)
hey, IJ. how're you doing?
#17. To: InsideJob, buckeye (#13)
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#20. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
I'm not sure which I despise more, the system, or the holes who think we have legitimate alternatives to their agenda.
#21. To: InsideJob (#13)
They smelled worse than a fresh pile of pig shit on a cornfield.
#22. To: Jethro Tull (#0)
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It's $306.62 a month per family for the first child and $50 for each additional child.
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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