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Title: Planetary line-up excites the sun
Source: ABC News [AU]
URL Source: http://www.abc.net.au/science/artic ... .htm?site=science&topic=latest
Published: Jul 2, 2008
Author: Marilyn Head
Post Date: 2008-07-10 16:13:42 by Tauzero
Keywords: ruh, roh, raggy
Views: 133
Comments: 7

Planetary line-up excites the sun

Wednesday, 2 July 2008 Marilyn Head
ABC

Australian astronomers may have found a solution to how far-away Jupiter and Saturn drive the sun's solar cycle.

In a paper published in the Publications of the Astronomical Society of Australia, astronomer Dr Ian Wilson and colleagues from the University of Southern Queensland, suggest Jupiter and Saturn affect the sun's movement and its rotation, and hence its sunspot activity.

Every 11 years the sun undergoes a period of intense solar activity, marked by flares, coronal mass ejections and sunspots. This period is known as the solar maximum and occurs twice each solar, or Hale, cycle.

"The sun can be thought of as a large bar magnet," says Wilson.

"The equatorial region of the sun spins more rapidly than the poles, and this differential rotation winds up the magnetic field lines like a rubber band."

Wilson says sunspots typically appear wherever these magnetic field lines bubble to the surface.

"Once the peak in sunspot activity is reached, a huge amount of energy is released, the magnetic poles are reversed and a new cycle begins," he says.

Unknown connection

For many years scientists have recognised an apparent connection between the strength of sunspot activity and the movement of the sun in relation to solar system's barycentre, which is driven by the combined gravitational forces of Jupiter and Saturn.

But no one has been able to explain the connection.

"There are really only two possible interactions, and neither of them is feasible," Wilson says.

"Tidal forces are too tiny. They can only produce a movement of about a millimetre on the surface of the sun.

"The alternative, that the sun's motion about the centre of mass should be able to generate internal motion within the sun, violates Einstein's equivalence principle."

Tug-o-war

The authors believe the tiny gravitational tugs of Jupiter and Saturn speed up or slow down the sun's orbital motion about the centre-of-mass, when they are aligned or separated by an angular distance of 90 degrees.

They say that when the sun's orbital motion changes, so too does its equatorial rotation rate, which provides strong circumstantial evidence that there is a spin-orbit coupling mechanism operating between Jupiter and Saturn and the sun.

The authors propose that this spin-orbit coupling takes the form of a 9:8 resonance, with the 179 year alignment cycle of the Jovian planets being equal to nine alignments of Jupiter and Saturn and eight 22-year Hale cycles.

The extent to which Jupiter and Saturn affect the sun's motion may impact on the strength of sunspot activity throughout its solar cycle.

But Wilson is cautious.

"It is one thing to show an association and quite another to show cause and effect. We have to be very careful, but we will know in a few years," he says.

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#1. To: Tauzero (#0)

"It is one thing to show an association and quite another to show cause and effect.

Something AGW proponents often forget.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-10   17:58:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All, *Agriculture-Environment* (#1)

sorry, meant to ping with that last post.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-10   17:58:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Tauzero (#0) (Edited)

This seems like a useful thing for astrologers to point to in support of that art.

Someone could probably write a book linking the physics here to astrological theories.

nobody  posted on  2008-07-10   19:49:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: nobody (#3)

This seems like a useful thing for astrologers to point to in support of that art.

Actually, I've lately heard some arguments suggesting a potential logical basis for legitimate astrological based effects.

The tides themselves are one major astrologically induced effect.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-07-11   0:00:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pinguinite (#4) (Edited)

I don't know much about it, but the angles between planets, including alignments and quadratures, are considered important in astrology. For Jupiter and Saturn the appearance of being in quadrature is fairly close to actual quadrature, especially considering how slow as they move as the earth can cover much of its orbit while the angle stays fairly constant. Saturn has about a 29.66-year orbit, Jupiter's orbit is about 11.86 years. 179 is close to (29.66) (11.86)/2 ~= 175.9, while the Hale cycle is about 22.3 years, so (8)(22.3) = 178.4, FWIW.

nobody  posted on  2008-07-11   1:51:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: nobody (#5)

Like most others, I considered astrology to be just hocus pocus. But physicists will tell you about gravitational nodes that are generated through orbital mechanics, and obviously the ocean tides (and likewise atmospheric tides) are obvious direct effects of the moon and sun.

If the sun effects the weather, which scientists are now suggesting it does, and this article is correct that the planets can affect the sun, then since we already know the whether affects peoples moods then yes, the door seems open to suggest legitimacy to some forms of astrology. Maybe there is no connection but.... I think the door is logically open to one possibly being there. If so, some implications can be rather scary.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-07-11   2:20:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#6)

People talk about a 60-year cycle of war, 179 ~= 180.

I don't follow it either, but some influential people do.

nobody  posted on  2008-07-11   2:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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