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Title: A Pre-emptive Process to Make a Perfect Heaven
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Published: Jul 11, 2008
Author: Matthew Goh
Post Date: 2008-07-11 22:56:56 by Old Friend
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Views: 378
Comments: 28
Rebelling God is the cause of evil. To create a perfect heaven, he needs to completely destroy evil and to stop evil from being recreated. God's purpose is to create a perfect heaven. He knows that evil is the result of rebelling (disobeying) him. Being all-knowing, he knows that the only way to make a perfect heaven (prevent God rebellious soul) is to let us experience the consequences of rebelling him, that's the sufferings caused by sins. That's why we were sent here, a temporary earth, temporary life, where evil rules. All the faults that we commonly find against God are infact our saviors, the consequences that make us elligible for eternal life. The consequences that make us love him, submit to him eternally in heaven. We know the theory about action A causes action B, our experiences determine our destiny. How to create a perfect heaven? We are all living in the process of making a perfect heaven. One possibility is the use of pre-emptive process. Since God is all-knowing and timeless, he can just work to and fro between times. All things happening now affect our future occurances. God is actively working to allow more souls (who will not rebel against him) into heaven. He can even bar those souls who cannot be saved, who are destined to commit sins in heaven. A pre-emptive process of making a perfect heaven. If it's right, it explains why some believe in Christ, some don't. It explains our sufferings, and why some Christians have to suffer, and some don't. It explains Christian faith, God's hidden nature, etc. Like it says, things happen for good, for God's purpose. All souls who finally enter into heaven will not rebel God eternally. Free will, and at the same time, they are the works of our all-knowing and loving God. That's why it was written; all souls will praise him eternally in heaven. So, what is needed in heaven is the 2 greatest commandments; love God and love our neighbours, and heaven will remain perfect eternally. If we love God, we will never rebel him and hence evil will never be recreated. If we love our neighbours, all souls will live in harmony with one another. Perhaps this is what Jesus means; these 2 commandments replace all other commandments.
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#1. To: Old Friend (#0)
Yeah, like it is a big surprise you are into a Christian jihad.
Jihad? I posted this article because I thought it was interesting. I don't know if I subscribe to it though. I posted another part at Robins site. They go hand in hand.
I'll give Matthew an 'F' in Theology 101.
In what way is it interesting? It talks about attacking anything that does not support your particular spiritual paradigm, labeling it as fodder for obliteration. It reads like a Christian el Qaeda tract. There is no difference between Fundie Muslims and Fundie Christians. Thanks for showing such a good example of the 'how this is sos' that are out there. And I mean, they are really really out there.
How about this one lodwick. It goes hand in hand with the above article. I find this one even more interesting. The Lord's Prayer Not Understood searching for the hidden message Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. God's heaven is like a piece of art. To maintain its perfection, all souls must submit to God and must not rebel against him. Unfortunately, it did not happen, as angels rebelled him. Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. As such, God wants to make a new and perfect heaven, and calls it his Kingdom, which emphasizes the importance of loving him and submission to him, not a single soul is allowed to rebel him. To achieve this, he created earth, so all things happen on earth are his purpose to fulfill his will of a new heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. Bread represents life. So we ask God to give us life, ask him to save us, help us to get into his new heaven. Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. To save us, God sent his only Son Jesus to earth to be crucified on the cross so that we can be saved by believing in him. With the Holy Spirit, love will fill our hearts, so that we can forgive others, i.e. love our neighbours, which is the key to heaven's harmony. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. We ask God to guide us and lead us to a state where we will never be tempted to rebel God, as rebelling God is the origin of evil. The rebellion against God was first demonstrated in Genesis. Eve was tempted by Satan to disobey God about not eating the "fruit". Here temptation was associated with rebellion. Note "And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil" is placed at the end of The Lord's Prayer, it represents the final state where God is leading us to. Once we can make it into heaven, we will never rebel him eternally. Also, please note that temptation (i.e. rebellion) and evil are placed in one same sentence which implies that they are associated, i.e. one is the cause/origin of the other. If we read it literally, it sounds wrong, as why would God lead us into temptation to sin? In my opinion, the correct interpretation of this sentence is; lead us not to disobey God as our disobedience is the origin of evil. In God's kingdom, all souls must totally submit to God, i.e. "hallowed be thy name". He is good and holy, anything against him (disobedience) is the opposite, which is evil... a natural law. The Lord's Prayer reveals God's plan, his purpose and the truth, which has never been understood. It's a process to completely destroy evil, and to stop evil from being recreated, and this is where my theory a pre-emptive process to make a perfect heaven is based on. end...
The concept that we are tested here on earth. We have free will. And that God wont allow rebellion against his word in Heaven.
And who the fuck are you to turn your views into my laws?
Where does this article talk about making any laws? I must have missed that one.
Who knows? We're told that we will not see clearly until we enter Heaven. I guess that Matthew knows that Lucifer has been given dominion over this world until Christ returns to claim His Bride, the Church of believers, both the quick and the dead. And that no one knows that time but the Father... Here's a link to what I find to be a better 'explanation' of the Model Prayer -
This sort of patriarchal nonsense is pure Christian Taliban. This garbage you post supports the view that is very very very intolerant of other religious beliefs and models. The velvet hammer approach is one I am familiar with, and you and this guy can stick your proselytizing with the intent of making your religion the only one around up your respective fat asses.
Yes. Why would God be tolerant of things masquerading as the ONE TRUE GOD. You don't have eyes to see or ears to hear. Yes wives should submit to their husbands. Christian Taliban is an oxymoron. It is a little word that folks like yourselves have invented when you can't deal with reality. I hope you find out the truth Ferret. Because part of you is a decent person. You have some good fruit. I hope you don't throw it all away.
Good for you!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Thanks for the link.
ok
Hey, hey, hey....back on up. This is a family site.
Your funny. What I am saying is that there is some good virtuous positions that Ferret takes.
You are like Moron OReilly bringing plastic swords onto the David Letterman show. If you bring the trashy, coercive and intolerant trappings of your religion in here, they get the feedback they deserve. The long of it is that you are like a trench coated flasher sticking the dick of your religion in everyone's face to try to impress and intimidate. The short of it is your real life mushroom of a micro dick that is like a human penis but only smaller.
My religion is against infanticide. Your religion on the other hand celebrates it. That is obvious with your selection of Obama as your Messiah. That would be Obama the baby killer.
I accidentally cleared the post before submitting.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Self censorship. Ok.
LOL
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Bush is your Messiah. He likes to use the issue to control others, not to promote human life. People who claim pro-life stances who then turn around and sanctify the use of war for personal gain and the right to decide when someone dies by supporting pander to the masses capital punishment are anything but pro-life. Yes, we see the loss of life, maiming and human displacement a 'pro-life' Bush brings us. We see what a pro-life president who taunts those being executed gives us in governance if we use abortion as the sole criteria for support of a candidate brings us. And through this example if an evil president we know better then to use a skewed filter such as yours' when we decide whom we will support for POTUS. Your point is self serving and has no logic to in how it seeks to manipulate the situation and use people. Sorry bub, but your point has no real point to it but to serve a subjective agenda.
Ferret if you want to criticize me, then please do so accurately. I am not a Bush supporter. You are an Obama supporter though. Obama celebrates abortion. That makes you an accessory to the continues murder of little innocent babies. Little innocent babies ferret. Think about it. Little innocent babies.
"Liberalism is a mental disorder rooted in spiritual bankruptcy." unknown "Save the whales" "Save the baby seals" "Save the trees"
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
When you use your logic about how being anti-abortion should be used to ascertain whom to support for the presidency, you argue for Bush over Kerry 2004, Bush over Gore 2000. Obama has a far superior grasp on reality and the sanctity of human life then Bush or Cheney ever will. But by your logic and blinder wearing way of looking at things, he would be a better choice for POTUS then Barack Obama. I look at a person at a balance of whom they are and how they operate, one never agrees with everyone on everything anyway. You can try to use abortion as a wedge issue in this all you want, but people are wise to that tactic these days, and it will not stop Obama from taking the oath of office for the presidency of the United States of America on 20 January 2009. Sorry about your bad luck.
Peroutka was a better choice then Bush or Kerry. Barr is a better choice then McCain or Abomination. Unfortunately you are locked into the two party farce.
Says the Goober as he chases his tail made of circular logic.
Great article...great posts. Simple truths for those "who have eyes and ears."
"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#2. To: Ferret Mike (#1)
#3. To: Old Friend (#0)
#4. To: Old Friend (#2)
(Edited)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#5. To: lodwick (#3)
#6. To: Ferret Mike (#4)
In what way is it interesting?
#7. To: Old Friend (#6)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#8. To: Ferret Mike (#7)
And who the fuck are you to turn your views into my laws?
#9. To: Old Friend (#5)
The Lord's Prayer reveals God's plan, his purpose and the truth, which has never been understood. It's a process to completely destroy evil, and to stop evil from being recreated, and this is where my theory a pre-emptive process to make a perfect heaven is based on.
#10. To: Old Friend (#8)
"Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as it is fit in the Lord; for ye serve the Lord Christ. Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them. And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; as he that doeth wrong shall receive for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of persons. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#11. To: Ferret Mike (#10)
This garbage you post supports the view that is very very very intolerant of other religious beliefs and models.
#12. To: Old Friend (#11)
(Edited)
#13. To: lodwick (#9)
#14. To: Rotara (#12)
#15. To: Old Friend (#11)
You have some good fruit.
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#15)
You have some good fruit.
#17. To: Old Friend (#11)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#18. To: Ferret Mike (#17)
#19. To: Old Friend (#14)
ok
#20. To: Rotara (#19)
#21. To: Old Friend (#20)
Self censorship. Ok.
#22. To: Old Friend (#18)
(Edited)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#23. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
#24. To: Old Friend (#23)
I am not a Bush supporter. You are an Obama supporter though. Obama celebrates abortion. That makes you an accessory to the continues murder of little innocent babies. Little innocent babies ferret. Think about it. Little innocent babies.
#25. To: Old Friend (#23)
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#26. To: Ferret Mike (#25)
#27. To: Old Friend (#26)
"Unfortunately you are locked into the two party farce......."
"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." Robert F. Kennedy
#28. To: Old Friend (#0)
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