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Title: Virginia Court Is Pressed To Take Action In SSN Case
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American Christian Liberty Society News
URL Source: http://www.christianliberty.org/art/update-7-11-2008
Published: Jul 13, 2008
Author: H. Lance Freeman
Post Date: 2008-07-13 13:28:54 by David Alan Carmichael
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Views: 305
Comments: 15
After the Governor and Trans-portation Secretary of Virginia took a posture of deliberate indifference to a religious accommodation request, they find themselves now subject to a law suit against them in their private capacities. David Alan Carmichael has been trying to get a religious accommo-dation to the Virginia’s requirement to adhere a SSN as an element of his identity in order to apply for a driver’s license. After the Virginia General Assembly enacted a ‘Religious freedom preserved’ statute, much like the Federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act, David renewed his request for religious accommodation directly to Governor Tim Kaine. In his request, David cited a provision of the Virginia Constitution that indicates the ‘buck stops’ at the Governor when a government practice appears to violate the Constitution. The only action taken by Governor Kaine was to pass the ‘buck’ to Transportation Secretary Pierce Homer. Pierce Homer then completely evaded any reference to the freedom of religion provisions in the Virginia Constitution and statutes, even though they were squarely put to him by Carmichael. The request was sent again to the Governor. Carmichael’s correspondence was ignored. A suit was filed by David in the Richmond City Circuit Court on April 28, 2008. In his suit, David claimed that other people are granted driver’s licenses without having to identify themselves with a SSN for reasons other than religion. In his recent motion for injunction, David listed several Federal cases involving religious objections to the uni-versal use of the SSN a personal identifier. Each of the cases that David cited went in favor of the religious objector on the basis of the standard recently enacted by the Virginia General Assembly, Va. Code §57-2.02. Leahy v. District of Columbia, is a driver’s license case parallel to Carmichael’s. The Government lawyers appear to be digging in their heels against David’s request for accommodation of religion. They’ve responded to his suit in boilerplate fashion, making a motion for dismissal rather than answering the Complaint. David has a difficult road ahead. No doubt, it is a road that needs to be paved. Access the case documents at http://www.christianliberty.org/carmichael_dmv
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#1. To: David Alan Carmichael (#0)
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Good luck David. The plantation owners aren't likely to release one of their slaves as long as they have his consent to slavery which is demonstrated by usage of an SSN, transacting business with commercial paper/securities/FRNs, voter registration wherein one SWEARS to be a U.S. citizen (against scriptural admonitions), and operates regularly in commerce, or accepts government benefits. I understand the dilemma and the magnitude of the battle. I wish you the very best and admire your efforts.
Some would say that obtaining a driver's license is a government benefit. Automobile use regulation is certainly an earthly government function. I have been using automobiles since 2002 lack of license notwithstanding. However, I might be in disagreement with you about whether regulating the use of an automobile is legitimate. I do not consider trying to obtain a driver's license a sin. The Lord did not tell me to forsake earthly government regulations. He told me to forsake the number. Forsaking the number may cause me to be ineligible to comply with certain regulations. If that is the case, then let the regulations fall by the way.
I'd agree with you if the SSN wasn't required. The mere fact that they do require it shows pefectly that the STATE VENUE is not Constitutional but Commercial and FEDERAL. The trouble with most (Christian) people in dealing with the SSN is that they want the alleged benefits or potential benefits. Relying upon the SS System shows where their faith truly lies. Everything about the U.S. Inc. system flies in the face of God's immutable laws. [This is where modern Christians claim Christ did away with all of that nonsense]. I don't care to have that argument.
You mean like driving to work in the morning without having a Sheriff deputy drag your ass out of the car and down to lockup every week for driving without a license? Yeah, that's a pretty good benefit. Or be a plumber, or an electrician, septic service company, real estate agent, homebuilder, barber, restaurant owner, in some states a bartender, farmer who uses certain herbicides, etcetera, etcetera which all require a license or a permit that you need to give a SSN to obtain. It ain't worth being broke and not being able to send your kids to college over not having a SSN. That's where all these "patriots" who preach not having one are. They live out in nowhere and eek out a living or if they live in a small town they spend half their life in jail and a courtroom making ostentatious arguments to judges who could give a shit less, but often cut them a break for their eccentricity. You can see it in any rural county Michigan courthouse just about once a week.
That's where all these "patriots" who preach not having one are. They live out in nowhere and eek out a living or if they live in a small town they spend half their life in jail and a courtroom making ostentatious arguments to judges who could give a shit less, but often cut them a break for their eccentricity. nothing new under the sun....... Mar 13:9 But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them. Luk 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute [you], delivering [you] up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestThe Government lawyers appear to be digging in their heels against David’s request for accommodation of religion. They’ve responded to his suit in boilerplate fashion, making a motion for dismissal rather than answering the Complaint. David has a difficult road ahead. No doubt, it is a road that needs to be paved.
#2. To: noone222 (#1)
The plantation owners aren't likely to release one of their slaves as long as they have his consent to slavery which is demonstrated by usage of an SSN, transacting business with commercial paper/securities/FRNs, voter registration wherein one SWEARS to be a U.S. citizen (against scriptural admonitions), and operates regularly in commerce, or accepts government benefits
#8. To: David Alan Carmichael (#2)
I do not consider trying to obtain a driver's license a sin.
#9. To: noone222 (#8)
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The trouble with most (Christian) people in dealing with the SSN is that they want the alleged benefits or potential benefits.
#10. To: SmokinOPs (#9)
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