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Title: My Plan for Iraq (Obama op ed)
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URL Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/14/o ... =print&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
Published: Jul 14, 2008
Author: Barack Obama
Post Date: 2008-07-14 09:39:12 by christine
Keywords: None
Views: 153
Comments: 8

CHICAGO — The call by Prime Minister Nuri Kamal al-Maliki for a timetable for the removal of American troops from Iraq presents an enormous opportunity. We should seize this moment to begin the phased redeployment of combat troops that I have long advocated, and that is needed for long-term success in Iraq and the security interests of the United States.

The differences on Iraq in this campaign are deep. Unlike Senator John McCain, I opposed the war in Iraq before it began, and would end it as president. I believed it was a grave mistake to allow ourselves to be distracted from the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban by invading a country that posed no imminent threat and had nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks. Since then, more than 4,000 Americans have died and we have spent nearly $1 trillion. Our military is overstretched. Nearly every threat we face — from Afghanistan to Al Qaeda to Iran — has grown.

In the 18 months since President Bush announced the surge, our troops have performed heroically in bringing down the level of violence. New tactics have protected the Iraqi population, and the Sunni tribes have rejected Al Qaeda — greatly weakening its effectiveness.

But the same factors that led me to oppose the surge still hold true. The strain on our military has grown, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated and we’ve spent nearly $200 billion more in Iraq than we had budgeted. Iraq’s leaders have failed to invest tens of billions of dollars in oil revenues in rebuilding their own country, and they have not reached the political accommodation that was the stated purpose of the surge.

The good news is that Iraq’s leaders want to take responsibility for their country by negotiating a timetable for the removal of American troops. Meanwhile, Lt. Gen. James Dubik, the American officer in charge of training Iraq’s security forces, estimates that the Iraqi Army and police will be ready to assume responsibility for security in 2009.

Only by redeploying our troops can we press the Iraqis to reach comprehensive political accommodation and achieve a successful transition to Iraqis’ taking responsibility for the security and stability of their country. Instead of seizing the moment and encouraging Iraqis to step up, the Bush administration and Senator McCain are refusing to embrace this transition — despite their previous commitments to respect the will of Iraq’s sovereign government. They call any timetable for the removal of American troops “surrender,” even though we would be turning Iraq over to a sovereign Iraqi government.

But this is not a strategy for success — it is a strategy for staying that runs contrary to the will of the Iraqi people, the American people and the security interests of the United States. That is why, on my first day in office, I would give the military a new mission: ending this war.

As I’ve said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 — two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began. After this redeployment, a residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, protecting American service members and, so long as the Iraqis make political progress, training Iraqi security forces. That would not be a precipitous withdrawal.

In carrying out this strategy, we would inevitably need to make tactical adjustments. As I have often said, I would consult with commanders on the ground and the Iraqi government to ensure that our troops were redeployed safely, and our interests protected. We would move them from secure areas first and volatile areas later. We would pursue a diplomatic offensive with every nation in the region on behalf of Iraq’s stability, and commit $2 billion to a new international effort to support Iraq’s refugees.

Ending the war is essential to meeting our broader strategic goals, starting in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where the Taliban is resurgent and Al Qaeda has a safe haven. Iraq is not the central front in the war on terrorism, and it never has been. As Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently pointed out, we won’t have sufficient resources to finish the job in Afghanistan until we reduce our commitment to Iraq.

As president, I would pursue a new strategy, and begin by providing at least two additional combat brigades to support our effort in Afghanistan. We need more troops, more helicopters, better intelligence-gathering and more nonmilitary assistance to accomplish the mission there. I would not hold our military, our resources and our foreign policy hostage to a misguided desire to maintain permanent bases in Iraq.

In this campaign, there are honest differences over Iraq, and we should discuss them with the thoroughness they deserve. Unlike Senator McCain, I would make it absolutely clear that we seek no presence in Iraq similar to our permanent bases in South Korea, and would redeploy our troops out of Iraq and focus on the broader security challenges that we face. But for far too long, those responsible for the greatest strategic blunder in the recent history of American foreign policy have ignored useful debate in favor of making false charges about flip-flops and surrender.

It’s not going to work this time. It’s time to end this war.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

Nearly every threat we face — from Afghanistan to Al Qaeda to Iran — has grown.

Ah, more threats more enemies more growing dangers that will never ever go away or be defeated.

Obama is really starting to sound like your average FReeker.

It’s not going to work this time. It’s time to end this war.

Yes. The Iraq one isn't going to well. Time to pick on some nations that have no hope what so ever of shooting back. The sheeple love a good turkey shoot.

Oh and what if the Iraqi government tells Obama that Al-CIA-duh snipe hunts will not be tolerated in their country and that his 'residual force' needs to take a hike?

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-07-14   9:54:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine, all (#0)

What I get from this Op Ed is that Obama will redeploy combat brigades to Afghanistan, keeping troops in Iraq to hunt down al Qaeda, and this will end the war in Iraq, while fighting the real battle in Afghanistan.

The man is full of siht.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-14   9:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

As I’ve said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010

Just in time for peacekeeping deployment in the states! And/or..

going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia

Mesopotamia (from the Greek meaning "The land between the two rivers")[1] is an area geographically located between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers, largely corresponding to modern Iraq,[2] northeastern Syria,[2] southeastern Turkey,[2] and the Khuzestan Province of southwestern Iran[3][4].

He who is not grateful for the good things he has would not be happy with what he wishes he had.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-07-14   10:51:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: christine (#0)

He almost got me believing that he was really for change until this point:

"As I’ve said many times, we must be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless getting in. We can safely redeploy our combat brigades at a pace that would remove them in 16 months. That would be the summer of 2010 — two years from now, and more than seven years after the war began. After this redeployment, a residual force in Iraq would perform limited missions: going after any remnants of Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia, protecting American service members and, so long as the Iraqis make political progress, training Iraqi security forces. That would not be a precipitous withdrawal. "

This leaves the door open for extenuating circumstances to require our continued presence there, and he's still talking about a token occupation force. I'm not sure why he thinks that if 130K troops is an unacceptable number to the Iraqi people that even a token force will be tolerated. That force would have to be essentially too small to do anything, with no real heavy weapons, and probably based with the Kurds.

I also noted that he didn't like the surge in Iraq for various reasons, yet he's proposing to surge in Afghanistan. Any surge in Afghanistan is going to be much larger than 30K troops, and is going to be much more difficult to logistically support. It's kind of like the situation the Germans had in N. Africa in 1941. They sent von Paulus there to survey the situation, and he said that they needed a quantity of divisions (I can't recall the number), and he was told that they had a much smaller quantity of force available. He laughed and said that they might as well not do it. The same goes for Afghanistan.

The problems with supporting a large force in Afghanistan are legion and unchanged since the Soviets tried. You've got long, overland vulnerable supply lines (the Air Force can support a large force no better than the Luftwaffe could at Stalingrad.) Recall a few weeks ago the report that helicopter parts were stolen from an ambushed supply column going through Pakistan. Larger force means more convoys. We don't do a very good job of escorting said convoys in Iraq, so I've got no reason to believe that we'd do any better in Afghanistan.

I can agree that Iraq wasn't the central front in the War on a Tactic of the Weak, but I don't think that Afghanistan is, either. Nor is Pakistan. This is a problem that can't be solved by normal military force. I agree with Michael Scheuer that we're not hated because of who we are, we're hated because of what we do. I disagree with him in "Imperial Hubris" though, that more military force is what is necessary. I think disengagement is what is necessary more than anything.

The way I see it, the Ayatollah for his reign constantly spoke out about attackign the Great Satan, and defeating the Great Satan, etc. I don't recall a large number of Iranians killing US forces due to his calls. It takes more than rhetoric to motivate people to take action. Usually they have to respond to a previous action. True, the overthrow of the Mossadegh government and the imposition of the Shah might have been enough grievance to foment hate against the US, but it doesn't seem to have worked.

It would be similar with bin Laden, if we're not meddling with affairs over there. People might ask "Well, what have they done, or what are they doing?" If we're not there actively killing people and destroying things, he won't be able to say much. I think it would remove most of the impetus to fight us.

Rivers of blood were spilled out over land that, in normal times, not even the poorest Arab would have worried his head over." Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

historian1944  posted on  2008-07-14   12:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#1)

Nearly every threat we face — from Afghanistan to Al Qaeda to Iran — has grown

Obama is really starting to sound like your average FReeker.

Not to worry. His misty and starry-eyed supporters will find a way to spin this too. Love is blind, you know.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-07-14   12:58:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: historian1944 (#4)

This leaves the door open for extenuating circumstances to require our continued presence there, and he's still talking about a token occupation force. I'm not sure why he thinks that if 130K troops is an unacceptable number to the Iraqi people that even a token force will be tolerated. That force would have to be essentially too small to do anything, with no real heavy weapons, and probably based with the Kurds.

I also noted that he didn't like the surge in Iraq for various reasons, yet he's proposing to surge in Afghanistan.

basically this is more Obama doublespeak. what he says amounts to a plan for war expansion.

and now the trip to Israel next week....

christine  posted on  2008-07-14   16:23:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: historian1944 (#4)

This is a problem that can't be solved by normal military force. I agree with Michael Scheuer that we're not hated because of who we are, we're hated because of what we do. I disagree with him in "Imperial Hubris" though, that more military force is what is necessary. I think disengagement is what is necessary more than anything.

The way I see it, the Ayatollah for his reign constantly spoke out about attackign the Great Satan, and defeating the Great Satan, etc. I don't recall a large number of Iranians killing US forces due to his calls. It takes more than rhetoric to motivate people to take action. Usually they have to respond to a previous action. True, the overthrow of the Mossadegh government and the imposition of the Shah might have been enough grievance to foment hate against the US, but it doesn't seem to have worked.

It would be similar with bin Laden, if we're not meddling with affairs over there. People might ask "Well, what have they done, or what are they doing?" If we're not there actively killing people and destroying things, he won't be able to say much. I think it would remove most of the impetus to fight us.

I read "Imperial Hubris" several years ago so some of Scheuer's recommendations are sketchy in my mind. As I recall he said that if we are not prepared to change our reckless in your face ME foreign policies, then we need to bring heavy force, even nukes, to subdue Muslims because small military conflicts will only have temporary victories and in the end will cause Muslims to hate us more. Scheuer also qualified his reference to using heavy artillery force by saying he did not believe Americans would allow Congress to use these weapons.

I agree with you that disengagement is the answer.

a. No favoritism to Israel.

b. No propping up of brutal thugocracies as in Saudi Arabia and in Egypt.

c. Paying fair world market prices on ME oil.

d. No occupation, no destruction of sacred Muslim religious sites.

e. No hectoring of Muslim nations about the wonderbar virtues of freedom and democracy blah, blah.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-14   19:51:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: christine (#6)

what he says amounts to a plan for war expansion.

..."The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality – judiciously, as you will – we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.'"...

www.antiwar.com/justin/? articleid=3822

nikki  posted on  2008-07-14   21:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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