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Title: Obama would send 2 more brigades to Afghanistan
Source: AP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080714 ... t=AttU6ccNFtyijm7nhVsGfLSs0NUE
Published: Jul 14, 2008
Author: NEDRA PICKLER
Post Date: 2008-07-14 12:33:53 by Jethro Tull
Keywords: None
Views: 198
Comments: 13

Obama would send 2 more brigades to Afghanistan

By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer

11 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Democrat Barack Obama said Monday that as president he would send at least two more combat brigades to Afghanistan, where U.S. soldiers face rising violence and endured their deadliest attack in three years on Sunday.

The proposed force increase is part of Obama's plan to pull combat troops out of Iraq and focus on the growing threat from a resurgent al-Qaida in Afghanistan.

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But, but, but so many OPILES didn't buy into the entire al-Qaida thingie...what happened?

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#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Two brigades? Why even bother? If you don't get the troop levels at least up to Iraq levels, nothing is going to change there at all. I don't think we should even be there any longer, but damn, if he's going to act like he wants action, take action.

historian1944  posted on  2008-07-14   12:53:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think it's a much harder assignment that Iraq, given the terrain. If Iraq took five years and counting, Afghanistan is forever.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-14   13:36:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Afghanistan is vastly more difficult than Iraq. All those mountains, and the primitive road networks, the barrenness of the country, all those things make the occupation more difficult. Not to mention that at some point, looking at all the rocky nothing, one is apt to wonder "Why are we even here?"

The Soviets landed nearly half a million soldiers on one day in 1979, had "control" of the entire country in 24 hours and then bled slowly from thousands of duck bites over the course of 10 years. They really didn't have that many deaths, only around 15K, but they had vast numbers incapacitated due to preventable disease. I think their occupation force was around 150K, but I'm trying to recall only using my memory, so I could be low.

We've used similar tactics that the Soviets had some success with, until we stated importing Stingers into the country. They would detect, using various electronic and human means, the presence of enemy, and then send Spetznaz in HINDs to eliminate them. For anyone who says "We need to take the gloves off," Russian soldiers and the Russian military tend to leave the gloves at home, and still they couldn't pacify that land, even after prodigious use of firepower. We remarked that there wasn't a whole lot for the USAF to bomb, since everything was only a quarter inch tall.

The absolute best solution is to ignore the SE corner of that land (even though the TAPI pipeline is going to run through there-sorry oil guys, you've got to fund your own defense of your material), find a way to set up a legitimate government for Kabul, while walking away. Sadly, the sharp dressed Mayor of Kabul Karzai would have to flee, but I'm sure someone could be found who could put a modicum of stability on that city. And that's about as far as that authority will go. If we could convince all the other nations that have been funding various factions in the country to stop doing so, they might be able to revert back to the way it's aways been, just with a little less fighting.

historian1944  posted on  2008-07-14   13:49:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Catch this:

This works in favor of defenders familiar with the land, not a hi-tech military. I honestly don't think our kids (with weak support at home, and having served in Iraq) have the fire in the belly for this mess.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-14   13:57:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Afghanistan has a border with China. A route that has been used many times for invasion of the ME and beyond.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-07-14   14:05:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you imagine how badly the Ruskies are salivating over these events? This is get even time.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-14   14:08:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you imagine how badly the Ruskies are salivating over these events? This is get even time.

The Iranian gov't would be very happy too because the Afghan Sunnis have been causing Iran trouble for years with their border intrusions. That's why Iran helped the DOD on the q.t. when Junior invaded Afghanistan. Furthermore, the thought of America getting into a bloody quagmire in Afghanistan after exiting a bloody quagmire in Iraq would leave few troops and $ to invade Iran. Yep, Iran would be cheering President Obama to re-deploy troops from Iraq to Afghanistan, that's for sure.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-14   14:33:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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