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Title: My Plea to Christians: Don't Vote for John McCain
Source: The Fountain of Truth
URL Source: http://www.geocities.com/fountoftruth/myplea.html
Published: Jul 21, 2008
Author: Doug Newman
Post Date: 2008-07-21 09:15:08 by snoopdougg
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Views: 174
Comments: 18

Okay, okay! I get it already! Big Crock Obama – as a friend calls him -- is a bad guy and, if elected, will be a bad president.

I got it a long time ago. The whole subject of Obama-as-evil is so old that when I receive emails with “Obama” in the subject line, I almost always delete them. The same goes for emails with “Clinton” in the subject line. BAWWWW-RINGGGGG!!!

However, this does not make John McCain worthy of my vote. No Christian should vote for John McCain, even out of fear of an Obama presidency.

On July 1, a group of politically influential evangelicals met in Denver. Phyllis Schlafly summarized the spirit of the conference when she proclaimed. "The alternative is so bad we must support John McCain."

The lesser of two evils is still evil. Christians are to abhor evil – Romans 12:9 – even if it means losing an election. Indeed, the Bible doesn't say a word about winning elections. These evangelical leaders want Christians to compromise biblical morality for the sake of temporal political expediency.

I have heard it said that, “Values voters have strange values.” On one hand, evangelical leaders keep telling us to vote for candidates who espouse Christian values. On the other hand, these selfsame candidates support some of the most un-Christian behavior imaginable. It is now “Christian” to support unprovoked war, torture, warrantless searches and spying, rogue police and the suspension of habeas corpus.

As another friend puts it, much of what emanates from the “Christian” media can be summarized as “faith-based Rush Limbaugh.” They reel people in with a few references to Jesus and “family values”, and then cheerlead for the Republican Party.

The biblical admonition against being “unequally yoked” with unbelievers – II Corinthians 6:14 -- applies not only to dating and marriage, but all of life. This includes politics. However, Christians are told time and again that they must align themselves with Republicans because the Democrats are worse.

The differences between John McCain and Barack Obama are negligible. Oh sure, they talk differently and appeal to different groups of people. But that is about it.

A report on the Denver meeting contained the usual fear mongering about Democrats, activist judges and threats to religious freedom.

For 23 of the 25 years John McCain has been in Washington, we have had a Republican president and/or a Republican senate majority. Abortions are just as available as aspirin. Why on earth should we expect a McCain presidency to change anything? (1)

McCain is every bit the big government control freak socialist that Obama is. His voting record shows that he favors endless socialism and federal intrusion in every last aspect of your life and mine. It is very disappointing to see someone who suffered so horribly at the hands of communists in the Hanoi Hilton come home and display such boundless enthusiasm for big, fat, spherical, four-dimensionally obese government.

You cannot be pro-life and support keeping American troops in Iraq for another 100 years. You cannot be pro-life while paraphrasing the Beach Boys promoting an aggressive war on Iran. God hates hands that shed innocent blood, period – Proverbs 6:16-18. It doesn’t matter whether those hands belong to an abortionist or an infantry corporal.

How can “values voters” support a man with McCain’s history? In the late 1970s, McCain cheated on his first wife, who had been severely injured in an auto accident and who had raised his kids while he was a POW. He started running around with a wealthy heiress 18 years younger than he was. But, hey, this is politics and if you are going to win you've got to roll with some eye candy, right?

Wrong. The least evangelicals can do is to hold John McCain to the same standard as they held Bill Clinton. Adultery by a Republican Navy captain is just as much a sin as adultery by a Democratic president. If fear of an Obama presidency paralyzes them, then all I can say is that their worldview is not a biblical one.

Bono and his band U2 may be a bunch of leftoids, but they called it right in their B-side The Wanderer, which contains some very stirring vocals by Johnny Cash.

“I went drifting through the capitals of tin,
Where men can't walk,
Or freely talk,
And sons turn their fathers in,
I stopped outside a church house,
Where the citizens like to sit,
They say they want the kingdom,
But they don't want God in it.”

Way too many Christians have forgotten that their citizenship is first and foremost in Heaven – Philippians 3:20 – and that Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world – John 18:36. They have followed leaders who are so desperate for earthly glory that they will totally disregard Christianity in order to attain it. What shall it profit a man…? (Matthew 16:26) James Dobson now says that he may yet endorse John McCain.

The Apostle Paul prophesied the contemporary Religious Right when he wrote: “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.” – II Corinthians 11:13-15

No, I have not forgotten to comment on the threat that Big Crock supposedly poses to religious freedom. I am just, like, so totally scared. McCain has said and done nothing to stem the steady erosion of religious freedom during his time in the Senate. Indeed, McCain-Feingold shows total contempt for the First Amendment. If he will violate one part of it, how can we trust him with any of it?

This leads me to a broader point. It is not just religious freedom that is currently in danger in America, but all freedom. Neither McCain nor Obama have said a word about National Security Presidential Directive 51, signed by Dubya in May, 2007. As Jerome Corsi describes it:

“When the president determines a catastrophic emergency has occurred, the president can take over all government functions and direct all private sector activities to ensure we will emerge from the emergency with an ‘enduring constitutional government.’"

This, like fornicating for virginity, is Orwellian Doublethink of the very worst sort. The Decider – or the determiner or the declarer – can, in the name of constitutional continuity, assume dictatorial powers until he decides such powers are no longer necessary. Isn’t that kinda like what happened in Germany 75 years ago? (2)

And McCain and Obama have been silent about this.

Indeed, several thousand pastors have agreed to participate in "clergy response teams", whose job it will be to "quell dissent" should martial law ever come to pass. Quell dissent? How about preach hellfire and brimstone against a government that would even dream of martial law?

If I can’t write in Ron Paul for president this November, I will vote for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. To be sure, he has about as much chance of winning the Oval Office as he does of winning the Heisman Trophy. However, while I am no holier than anyone, I will not endorse with my vote a continuation of our current form of government.

This just may cost me a friend or two, but I am going to say it anyway. While I will not vote for Big Crock, I actually wouldn’t mind seeing him win. If nothing else, millions of Christians who would be silent about McCain will resist Obama's every act with every fiber of their being.


(1) It is a monumental lie that we need to elect Republicans so that they will appoint strict constitutionalists who will overturn Roe. This can be done legislatively.

(2) Some of Adolf Hitler's biggest support came from horribly deceived Christians. History repeats itself -- Ecclesiastes 1:9. Check out Hitler's Cross by Erwin Lutzer. Fascinating book.


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#1. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Doug...

No American will vote for any establishment owned nominee.

You need a long hot bath in political reality before you campaign for or against anyone.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-07-21   9:24:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: snoopdougg (#0)

The least evangelicals can do is

Move to Zimbabwe.

Who cares what you rapture monkeys think.

Praise Hey-Sus!

Flintlock  posted on  2008-07-21   9:34:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Phyllis Schlafly summarized the spirit of the conference when she proclaimed. "The alternative is so bad we must support John McCain."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-21   9:57:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: snoopdougg (#0)

If I can’t write in Ron Paul for president this November, I will vote for Chuck Baldwin of the Constitution Party. To be sure, he has about as much chance of winning the Oval Office as he does of winning the Heisman Trophy. However, while I am no holier than anyone, I will not endorse with my vote a continuation of our current form of government.

Excellent article, Doug. Thanks for all your fine contributions to liberty and America.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-21   9:57:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#1)

No American will vote for any establishment owned nominee.

Is it your point that even though the numbers would indicate that the nation contains somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 million people that there are in reality very few AMERICANS in the whole bunch? Because it seems to me that the "voters" (or the Diebold machines) vote for pretty much nothing but "establishment owned nominees."

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-21   10:00:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: snoopdougg (#0) (Edited)

"The fact is that most Christians will vote for McCain because of his stand against abortion and his support of traditional marriage," he said.

No, the fact is that most Christians are ignoramuses being led around by a corrupt pastor that does his 501 C 3's bidding. What a bunch of worthless tools!

ELECTION 2008

Evangelicals say McCain's the one

Meeting consensus: Obama has sold out to 'gay' marriage, abortion


Posted: July 02, 2008
10:15 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily


Sen. John McCain

Dozens of Christian leaders meeting in Denver have concluded they should "get behind Sen. John McCain even if they didn't like everything about him" because the alternative, presumptive Democratic candidate Sen. Barack Obama, actually could oversee the criminalization of Christianity, according to a report.

The results of the meeting have been reported by Steve Strang of Strang Communications. He reported in his Charisma News Bulletin the 70 leaders assembled at the request of Mathew Staver, president of Liberty Counsel and dean of the law school at Liberty University.

"The alternative is so bad we must support John McCain," Phyllis Schlafly, founder and president of Eagle Forum, told the group, according to the bulletin.

"Our shared conservative evangelical values and our concern about judicial activism compelled us to unite around the presidential candidate who most closely aligns with us," Staver said. "That candidate is obviously Sen. John McCain. United we will move forward to advance our values in the short- and long-term. We are committed to a transgenerational, multiethnic and multiracial conservative movement."

The report said some of the Christian leaders were irked by the fact "Obama has reached out to evangelical leaders more than McCain." But it confirmed others expressed support for McCain, "because an Obama presidency would mean passage of highly liberal policies that would probably allow 'same-sex marriage,' severely hurt religious freedom and ensure the appointment of only judges who would keep abortion on demand as the law of the land."

"Rick Scarborough, founder and president of Vision America, predicted that laws would be passed that would essentially criminalize basic Christian beliefs," Strang's report said.

The bulletin quoted Jim Garlow, lead pastor of Skyline Church in San Diego, who is rallying pastors regarding the California marriage amendment. He cited 2nd Timothy 1:7, a verse that says God did not give Christians a spirit of fear. But he said California pastors are being motivated by the fact that if a law passes forcing them to marry same-sex couples, they may go to jail if they defy it.

"Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and Phil Burress, president of Citizens for Community Values in Ohio, each reported on meetings they had with McCain. Burress said he grilled McCain on his beliefs and has decided to support him. After the McCain meeting Burress sent an e-mail to supporters that he read to the Denver group," the bulletin said.

"The e-mail said in part: 'I was once one of those people who said 'no way' to Sen. John McCain as president. No longer. The stakes are too high. And if Obama wins I need to be able to get up on November 5th, look at myself in the mirror, and when I pray, say, 'Lord, I did all that I could.'"

"I thought the difference between Bush and Kerry was enormous," Burress told the Denver group, referring to the 2004 presidential election. "But the difference between McCain and Obama is like the Grand Canyon."

In his own commentary, Strang, whose publishing empire includes Charisma magazine and others, noted he supported Gov. Mike Huckabee in the primaries.

"From my perspective as a conservative Christian he was the perfect candidate – strong on the issues important to me yet an effective leader in Arkansas who is articulate, passionate and caring for those less fortunate.

"But now I'm supporting Sen. John McCain. I've long admired him as a great American hero. On the important issues I believe he's right on. However, he hasn't cozied up to the so-called religious right. But that's not a problem to me. Too many leaders in the Christian conservative movement wait to see who asks for their support instead of being principled. At least McCain is principled," he wrote.

"The fact is that most Christians will vote for McCain because of his stand against abortion and his support of traditional marriage," he said.

"I've reported on the meeting I had on June 10 with Barack Obama and another group of leaders – mostly more liberal denominational leaders and middle-of-the-road evangelicals in Chicago. Obama did a great job of saying just the right things to that group, and he sounded like a sincere Christian," Strang wrote. "The problem is that his record doesn't back up his nice words, and he is known to say different things to different groups. Even though his personal Christian faith is right for him, he says, others can get to heaven believing in a different religion or no religion. That's universalism, and as I write in my column in Charisma, that's just wrong."

As WND reported earlier, another prominent Christian leader, James Dobson of Focus on the Family, has said he simply couldn't support McCain.

"Speaking as a private individual, I would not vote for John McCain under any circumstances," he said at the time.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-21   10:04:49 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Phyllis Schlafly summarized the spirit of the conference when she proclaimed. "The alternative is so bad we must support John McCain."

I gave up on her when she said the same thing about Bob Dole. As for Dobson, the man makes my skin crawl. Anyone supporting McCain deserves to have a family of three dozen illegal Mexicans become their next door neighbor.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-21   10:07:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rotara (#6)

www.huffingtonpost.com/20...ays-he-migh_n_113988.html

Dobson Flips, Says He Might Endorse McCain

Conservative Christian leader James Dobson has softened his stance against Republican presidential hopeful John McCain, saying he could reverse his position and endorse the Arizona senator despite serious misgivings.

"I never thought I would hear myself saying this," Dobson said in a radio broadcast to air Monday. "... While I am not endorsing Senator John McCain, the possibility is there that I might."

christine  posted on  2008-07-21   10:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#8)

Dobson shifts positions, may endorse McCain

Conservative Christian leader James Dobson has softened his stance against Republican presidential hopeful John McCain, saying he could reverse his position and endorse the Arizona senator despite serious misgivings.

"I never thought I would hear myself saying this," Dobson said in a radio broadcast to air Monday. "... While I am not endorsing Senator John McCain, the possibility is there that I might."

Dobson and other evangelical leaders unimpressed by McCain increasingly are taking a lesser-of-two-evils approach to the 2008 race. Dobson and his guest, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary president Albert Mohler, spend most of the pretaped Focus on the Family radio program criticizing Democratic candidate Barack Obama, getting to McCain at the very end.

In an advance copy provided to The Associated Press, Dobson said that while neither candidate is consistent with his views, McCain's positions are closer by a wide margin.

"There's nothing dishonorable in a person rethinking his or her positions, especially in a constantly changing political context," Dobson said in a statement to the AP. "Barack Obama contradicts and threatens everything I believe about the institution of the family and what is best for the nation. His radical positions on life, marriage and national security force me to reevaluate the candidacy of our only other choice, John McCain."

Earlier, Dobson had said he could not in good conscience vote for McCain, citing the candidate's support for embryonic stem cell research and opposition to a federal constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage, as well as concerns about McCain's temper and foul language.

Dobson said on the radio program he must consider McCain's record against abortion rights and support for smaller government, and added McCain "seems to understand the Muslim threat." He also indicated McCain's choice of a running mate will be a factor.

Of his new position, Dobson said in the statement to the AP, "If that is a flip-flop, then so be it."

Both the Obama and McCain campaigns declined comment Sunday.

Dobson is considered a powerful voice in conservative evangelical Christianity; his radio broadcast reaches 1.5 million U.S. listeners daily. Critics argue his influence is waning, pointing to a younger generation of leaders pushing to broaden the movement's agenda.

Last month, Dobson accused Obama, in a 2006 speech on faith and politics, of distorting the Bible and pushing a "fruitcake interpretation" of the Constitution.

Obama replied that Dobson was "making stuff up" and portrayed his speech as an attempt by people of faith, like himself, to "try to translate some of our concerns in a universal language so that we can have an open and vigorous debate rather than having religion divide us."

Baaaaaaaaaaah!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-21   10:21:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Jethro Tull (#7)

I gave up on her when she said the same thing about Bob Dole.

She did? I sat that race out. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-21   10:22:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: James Deffenbach (#5) (Edited)

Is it your point that even though the numbers would indicate that the nation contains somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 million people that there are in reality very few AMERICANS in the whole bunch?

James...

Few in number? No.

Small minority? Yes.

A recent testament to this was the Perot run for president when twenty million AMERICANS voted Perot. Months ago I made the statement that if Paul were to run he would garner at least 30 million votes. All from Americans.

When Perot abandoned ship, the millions filtered back to the system or withdrew.

The real test of the will of Americans was the Revolutionary War when only 30 per cent did the bleeding and dying, the rest sat on the sidelines. So many times when we were trying to support Paul, I asked friends if they would vote for and support Paul, their answer was I am a pub or a dem and cannot. Politically they are not Americans.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-07-21   10:25:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Rotara (#10)

IIRC she did. She supported Buchanan until he was pummeled by the PTB.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-21   10:28:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

IIRC she did. She supported Buchanan until he was pummeled by the PTB.

That's what I thought, she supported PJB. If she can cave in for another NAUer then I guess I'm done with Phyllis, too. :-(

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-07-21   10:29:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#11)

So many times when we were trying to support Paul, I asked friends if they would vote for and support Paul, there answer was I am a pub or a dem and cannot. Politically they are not Americans.

Yes. And since Ron was the only actual AMERICAN running, if they couldn't vote for him they were not Americans (as we would define what it means to be an American). Good point.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-21   10:37:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)

James...

If I might add....

There are many millions of Americans, usually on the bottom rungs of society, that do not participate in the process at all. In discussions with them on that subject, their answers are almost always the same.

Most will tell you the process is rigged, that all politicians are thieves and they are struggling with one or more jobs trying to keep afloat. I cannot disagree with them.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-07-21   10:49:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Cynicom (#15)

Most will tell you the process is rigged, that all politicians are thieves and they are struggling with one or more jobs trying to keep afloat. I cannot disagree with them.

No point in arguing with the truth. And the truth is that the process is indeed rigged and, with precious few exceptions, politicians ARE thieves.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-21   10:58:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: snoopdougg (#0)

For 23 of the 25 years John McCain has been in Washington, we have had a Republican president and/or a Republican senate majority. Abortions are just as available as aspirin. Why on earth should we expect a McCain presidency to change anything? (1)

McCain is every bit the big government control freak socialist that Obama is. His voting record shows that he favors endless socialism and federal intrusion in every last aspect of your life and mine. It is very disappointing to see someone who suffered so horribly at the hands of communists in the Hanoi Hilton come home and display such boundless enthusiasm for big, fat, spherical, four-dimensionally obese government.

You cannot be pro-life and support keeping American troops in Iraq for another 100 years. You cannot be pro-life while paraphrasing the Beach Boys promoting an aggressive war on Iran. God hates hands that shed innocent blood, period – Proverbs 6:16-18. It doesn’t matter whether those hands belong to an abortionist or an infantry corporal.

How can “values voters” support a man with McCain’s history? In the late 1970s, McCain cheated on his first wife, who had been severely injured in an auto accident and who had raised his kids while he was a POW. He started running around with a wealthy heiress 18 years younger than he was. But, hey, this is politics and if you are going to win you've got to roll with some eye candy, right?

Finally, a member of the "Christian Right" who talks sense and isn't owned by the GOP.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-07-21   11:25:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: snoopdougg (#0)

Way too many Christians have forgotten that their citizenship is first and foremost in Heaven – Philippians 3:20 – and that Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world – John 18:36.

IMHO, way too many Christians have stalled on that incomplete statement, which was made.....

PRIOR TO THE CRUCIFIXION:

Jhn 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Jhn/18/36.html

world, [2889] kosmos

Outline of Biblical Usage

1) an apt and harmonious arrangement or constitution, order, government

2) ornament, decoration, adornment, i.e. the arrangement of the stars, 'the heavenly hosts', as the ornament of the heavens. 1 Pet. 3:3

3) the world, the universe

4) the circle of the earth, the earth

5) the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human family

6) the ungodly multitude; the whole mass of men alienated from God, and therefore hostile to the cause of Christ

7) world affairs, the aggregate of things earthly

a) the whole circle of earthly goods, endowments riches, advantages, pleasures, etc, which although hollow and frail and fleeting, stir desire, seduce from God and are obstacles to the cause of Christ

8) any aggregate or general collection of particulars of any sort

a) the Gentiles as contrasted to the Jews (Rom. 11:12 etc)

b) of believers only, John 1:29; 3:16; 3:17; 6:33; 12:47 1 Cor. 4:9; 2 Cor. 5:19

Jesus came to put down that OLD ORDER/GOVERNMENT. He died and rose from the dead to institute His NEW WORLD ORDER, where the GOVERNMENT would be upon HIS shoulders [Isaiah 9:6-7]. Upon rising from the dead, His NEW ORDER/GOVERNMENT/KINGDOM was born. His kingdom is NOW IN THE WORLD:

Mat 13:36 ¶ Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

Mat 13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

Mat 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked [one];

Mat 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Mat 13:40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

Mat 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Mat 13:42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

Mat 13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear....

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat013.html#38

Luk 13:18 ¶ Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?

Luk 13:19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it. [see also Ezekiel 17:1-6]

[the mustard seed in America: God’s Hand in History - Vision Forum Ministries Mar 30, 2007 ... The wooden cross of Cape Henry is now gone forever, .... acted in such a way as to lay the seedbed for American independence and liberty. ... www.visionforumministries...ues/gods_hand_in_history/ ]

Luk 13:20 ¶ And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?

Luk 13:21 It is like leaven, which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Luk/Luk013.html

LEAVEN:

Mat 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mat 16:11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake [it] not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

Mat 16:12 Then understood they how that he bade [them] not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.

Mar 8:15 And he charged them, saying, Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, and [of] the leaven of Herod.

Luk 12:1 In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.

1Cr 5:6 Your glorying [is] not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?

1Cr 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

1Cr 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened [bread] of sincerity and truth.

Gal 5:9 A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.

The Greatest Hoax | The Union Jack - Epilogue Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction: "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two ... http://www.sweetliberty.org/issu...ax/unionjack_epilogue.htm

Jewish Persecution by Jackie Patru | Section Nineteen "A holy war will now begin on America,and when it is ended America will be ... "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two ... http://www.sweetliberty.org/pers...e/jewishpersecution19.htm

So there you have it. The Mustard Seed and the Leaven [the good seed and the seed of the wicked one, the wheat and the tares] growing side by side in the Kingdom of God/Kingdom of Heaven, IN THE WORLD, AND IN PARTICULAR, IN AMERICA, which is the prophesied ISRAEL of II Samuel 7:10 [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Sa/2Sa007.html#10 / http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Sa/7/10.html ] and the New Jerusalem of Zechariah 2:4 [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#4 ] and Isaiah 62:4 [ http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa062.html#4 LAND MARRIED: http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Rev/21/2.html ].

".... The United States of America is the nationality that is promised in the prophetic Scriptures to arise in the latter times as Israel Restored. It has long been a favorite theory, both with Jewish and Christian writers, that the nationality to be gathered together in the latter days, was understood to mean the returned or restoration of the scattered sons of Abraham to the land of Palestine.

We are not surprised at the confidence with which this opinion has been entertained from age to age, because it is a legitimate a priori interpretation, seeing this nationality is called "Israel" by the prophets.

In a conversation had with a venerable Bishop of the Episcopal Church, he inquired of us: "Sir, by what construction of language do you make the great nationality, promised to arise in the latter times, to mean the United States? That the Bible authorizes us to expect such a nationality there can be no doubt; but how do you make out that nationality to be the United States of America, as it was promised to be Israel?" To which we replied: "Beloved Bishop, the predictions of the prophets are put up in Hebrew dress; the regalia is Mosaic, the custom is Israelitish. They did not say, friends of civil and religious liberty, Americans, or even Christians; but they used the best terms they had on hand: they said 'Israel.'" ......"

The United States Of America Foretold In The Holy Scriptures

by Rev. F. E. Pitts

Feb. 22 and 23, 1857

A DEFENSE OF ARMAGEDDON

http://www.originofnations.org/old_bi_literature/Pitts.htm

The lesser of two evils is still evil. Christians are to abhor evil – Romans 12:9 – even if it means losing an election. Indeed, the Bible doesn't say a word about winning elections. These evangelical leaders want Christians to compromise biblical morality for the sake of temporal political expediency. .....

The biblical admonition against being “unequally yoked” with unbelievers – II Corinthians 6:14 -- applies not only to dating and marriage, but all of life. This includes politics. ......

You cannot be pro-life and support keeping American troops in Iraq for another 100 years. You cannot be pro-life while paraphrasing the Beach Boys promoting an aggressive war on Iran. God hates hands that shed innocent blood, period – Proverbs 6:16-18. It doesn’t matter whether those hands belong to an abortionist or an infantry corporal. .....

Indeed, several thousand pastors have agreed to participate in "clergy response teams", whose job it will be to "quell dissent" should martial law ever come to pass. Quell dissent? How about preach hellfire and brimstone against a government that would even dream of martial law?..."

Why vote for this government at all?? How about COMING OUT AND BEING SEPARATE so that He will be a Father to us? To be our God, and we be His people? To trust in HIM, and not some godless MEN?

Holy War against America: Psalm 2. Verse 12: Blessed are they who put their trust in HIM.

if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight,

Micah 4:13. Don't VOTE. Arise and thresh. Deliver thyself: http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#7 /

It's high time. Genesis 15:13-14/Galatians 3:16-29.....

4um: (England) Govern(s) America Jul 6, 2008 ... THE US IS STILL A BRITISH COLONY. EXTORTING. TAXES FOR THE CROWN! ... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=83199

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-07-21   12:51:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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