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Title: Obama: Healthcare for Illegals
Source: Newsmax
URL Source: http://www.newsmax.com/morris/obama ... lthcare/2008/07/21/114994.html
Published: Jul 22, 2008
Author: Dick Morris & Eileen McGann
Post Date: 2008-07-22 12:04:16 by Horse
Keywords: None
Views: 259
Comments: 14

Democrats' single most important domestic proposal — universal health insurance — may blow up in Barack Obama's face when voters are exposed to the deadly details.

Obama has said, proudly and often, "I am going to give health insurance to 47 million Americans who are now without coverage." But are they "Americans?"

That 47 million statistic includes illegal immigrants, who virtually all lack insurance. In fact, about one in four of those lacking insurance is here illegally. And they are, by far, the group most in need of health insurance.

About 15 million of the remaining uninsured are eligible for Medicaid but haven't signed up, mainly because they haven't gotten sick. When they do, they enroll in Medicaid and we pick up the full tab for their health care relatively cheaply. (About 80 percent of each Medicaid dollar goes to nursing-home care for the elderly, only about 20 percent for the medical needs of the poor.)

The rest of the uninsured pool? Virtually all the children are eligible for the State Children's Health Insurance Program. Some aren't enrolled because the parents haven't bothered, but most are eligible. That leaves about 20 million uninsured adults who are US citizens or legal immigrants. There are far better ways to handle their needs than to turn our entire health-care system upside down.

Care for illegals is the biggest unmet medical need in our nation, and Obama's program targets it squarely. But do we really want to give them federally paid coverage equal to what US senators get, as Obama proposes?

Covering illegals adds dramatically to the cost of any program - and would encourage more folks to enter America illicitly.

Obama's plan will likely have a horrific effect on some local health-care systems.

Illegals now get free emergency-room treatment for life-threatening conditions, as any other American who's entered an ER in an area with lots of illegals recently well knows. (Three-quarters of the illegal-immigrant population is concentrated in five states: California, New York, Florida, Texas and Illinois.)

But now they'd be eligible for the entire range of medical services, all free of charge. That would trigger severe rationing: bureaucrats deciding who gets to see an oncologist, who can have an MRI - and even who can have bypass surgery and who'd die for lack of it.

These decisions would be made not on the basis of legal status but on the brutal facts of triage: Treat the 37-year-old illegal with his whole life to live before you spend scarce resources on an overweight, diabetic, 80-year-old citizen with high blood pressure who smokes.

John McCain hasn't raised this issue, perhaps for fear of offending the Latino vote. But polling suggests the case against rationing of health care would be as persuasive to Hispanic-American citizens as it is to the rest of us. Nobody wants to die waiting in line - especially not behind someone who snuck in ahead of us.

McCain needs to hit the Obama plan for treating illegal immigrants to free, federally subsidized health insurance — and hit it hard.


Poster Comment:

I posted this because it gives us an insight into the nature of the uninsured. However the author underestimates the number of illegal aliens.

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#1. To: Horse, christine, SmokinOPs, rowdee (#0)

John McCain hasn't raised this issue, perhaps for fear of offending the Latino vote. But polling suggests the case against rationing of health care would be as persuasive to Hispanic-American citizens as it is to the rest of us. Nobody wants to die waiting in line - especially not behind someone who snuck in ahead of us.

These are the same statistics I posted here at 4um this past winter from another source ( and that other source under stated the number of illegals, too). It bears repeating over and over again. Some of the fence sitters and the moderate Obama supporters need to have these figures made available to them because I'm sure they don't have a clue about what comprises the figure of "47 Million uninsured Americans" that is bandied about by MSM.

However, the truly devoted Obam fans will not be deterred by these figures. I know that because I was attacked by Obamaphile posters when I posted the information earlier.

Devoted Obamaphile posters actually cheered the idea of illegals getting taxpayer supported health care - 'ya see, as was 'splained to my neanderthal self by these enlightened "progressive" posters, "free" health care is a human right and guaranteed by our Constitution ( well not in actually words but'ya gotta read between the lines) so regardless of your legal/illegal status, once you put a toe within our borders, you are ENTITLED to prenatal and pediatric care and kidney transplants and heart bypass surgery etc, etc, etc. And if everyone within our borders gets FREE health care, then we'll all be healthier for it because there will be no epidemics and stuff and we'll all live longer lives because free healthcare means PREVENTATIVE healthcare and long queues are helpful because it weeds out those in poor health ( who nees them?)and then America's longevity figures get better. Get it?

And here's how all this yummy universal healthcare will be paid for - Obamaphiles have it all figured out - it's called "tax the Rich" - now when it came to the definition of who are The Rich, Obamaphiles got a bit wobbly on details but that's a minor detail.

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In California, the definition of "rich" is anyone making $50k or more per year.

In LA or the Bay Area, those are poverty wages given the costs of living and excessive taxation there.

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#13. To: scrapper2 (#1)

Some number of years ago, Readers Digest rant an article about taxation. And one of the paragraphs or two dealt with the idea of why not just confiscate ALL the wealthy's assets and fund government.

Well.........the problem was that the amount obtained would only fund feeble gubmint for a month or so!

But then.....the real beauty of that fiasco is that by confiscating all the wealth of those who generate jobs, the middle class, lower upper poor class, and even summer teens would suffer from job losses, not to mention increased taxes on those who were left to work, printing more monopoly money to cause further inflationary devaluation of the dollar, leaving less funds for all the fancy schmanzy do-gooders programs.

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