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Title: Animal Lovers: Two Tubes -- Man sings puppies to sleep and Christian the Lion Reunion (these will put a smile on your face)
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Published: Jul 23, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-07-23 00:31:52 by christine
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Nothing good can come from that. Just as people who raise deer then set them free in wildlife areas soon find, they never make it past the next hunting season. One DE hunter I spoke with at the checking station felt something tugging at his chaw in his back pocket and he turned to find a young buck pulling on his tobacco pouch, and he promptly shot the deer. The hunter reported the odd behavior and learned from the wardens that the deer was released that week by the family who raised until it, he started getting rammy and with antlers, dangerous. In the case of lions who have no natural fear of humans they'll likely be killed either because they're perceived as threats or by poachers. And, let's not forget the two "naturalists" in Alaska who thought they were accepted by the coastal brownies only to be killed and partially eaten, and because the family of bears had tasted human flesh the wardens had to destroy the lot of them. These god damned "Walt Disney School OF Wildlife Management" alumni are just plain stupid.
That was the best thing I've seen in quite a while.
Dawg - Enjoy the moment, man.
BUMP
I understand your point and I don't want to argue for its own sake. But, for years I volunteered as an instructor to the DE Hunter/Outdoor Education Program, and among my area of "expertise" was ethics, conservation and wildlife mgmt. This by virtue of the subject matter meant that I was the designated instructor to debate DE's best (or, certainly most passionate) animal rights activists on local TV, at college lectures and in the newspaper where a single column or even a letter from me would set off a fierce DAWGfight with near hysterical Bambi lovers. They fought hard against me (actually, against well established wildlife management principles) for the hearts and minds of the uninitiated, and if we had any of those good people here (they identify themselves by using the term "murder" when referring to the harvest or culling of wildlife) you'd see that this is not a subject on which one can remain undecided for long. Because rearing then releasing these animals resulted in the loss of their natural aversion to humans, if they attempt to walk up on a game warden, poacher, hunter, or anyone who is prepared to deal with potential threats they will be summarily shot. Such unusual actions from lions would be interpreted as either aggression or diseased behavior, not as affection. Or, let's not be surprised if sometime between this filming and their next meeting with those people the lions learn that humans are not only friendly but delicious, too, and they kill and devour those same friendly folks. If that happens who is to blame? Lions are after all a keystone species, and as drought conditions force them to eat stinking carrion they or their fellow "pridesters" may find the temptation of fresh, bloody meat more inviting than the desire to be stroked. And, even so called "animal researchers" (some whose arrested development compels them to reject wildlife biology and embrace Disneyesque anthropomorphism) are so misled by the cartoons of their youth that they never learn; WILD ANIMALS DO NOT CRAVE HUMAN AFFECTION! Each attempt to rewrite the rules ends tragically, but each new Darwin candidate believes her/himself to be "special". Even Crocodile Dundee possessed a non existent charisma over beasts of the wild. And frankly, I wish they wouldn't show kids things like that. Even zoo and performing animals that are totally acclimated to humans sometimes maul and kill those who care for them. This is not theory but a matter of historical record. In the past injured and crippled animals that could no longer catch their usual prey have resorted to gagging down foul-smelling-but-much-easier-to-catch-humans. And if the young taste human flesh killed by the adults they grow up as man eaters, and when discovered they and all animals in proximity who may have dropped in on a feast must be destroyed. In short, this "enjoy the moment" video can have disastrous long term consequences such as the horror of The Lions Of Tsavo. "Panel wraps bear attack review TREADWELL: Board recommends a review of camping, other policies. By RACHEL D'ORO The Associated Press Published: December 18, 2003 Last Modified: December 19, 2003 at 01:53 AM A panel that examined the circumstances of the deadly October brown bear attack in Katmai National Park and Preserve is recommending a review of the park's camping and bear management policies, federal officials said Wednesday. The Technical Board of Investigation has wrapped up its inquiry in the deaths of Malibu, Calif., bear activists Timothy Treadwell and Amie Huguenard and plans to submit its final report to National Park Service officials within a week. The four-page report also sums up likely contributing factors in the deaths of Treadwell, 46, a wildlife author who spent the past 13 summers tracking brown bears at the Alaska Peninsula park, and Huguenard, 37, who joined him in recent years. Treadwell was known and sometimes criticized for getting too chummy with the coastal grizzlies without any kind of protection, such as bear spray. The partially eaten bodies of the couple were found in heavy bear-feeding grounds at the shore of Kaflia Lake on Oct. 6 when a pilot arrived to pick them up and saw a large brown bear standing over human remains. Responding rangers later shot and killed a thousand-pound bear when it charged at them through dense thickets of alder. State troopers and rangers also killed a smaller bear apparently stalking them. "The location of the camp was obviously a contributing factor in the deaths of these people," said Katmai park superintendent Joe Fowler, who chaired the five-member board. "If they had been half a mile away, they might not have been killed." Park Service officials said they could not discuss details in the report until it passes muster with agency attorneys. But they said it contains no surprises. All the evidence -- including a six-minute audio recording of a frantic Treadwell being attacked -- pointed to a single scenario, that the campers were killed by a bear, contrary to early rumors that poachers might have been involved, said Larry Van Daele, a state wildlife biologist and the only non-Park Service member of the investigative panel. Van Daele performed necropsies on the two bears and found human remains in the stomach of the larger bear, a scrawny but healthy 28-year-old male that was probably looking to fatten up for winter. "There was a poor berry crop this year, so bears did not develop quite as much fat, and they were in the last area of the season to find salmon, so they were less tolerant of people, even of each other," Van Daele said. "Now add an unconventional person with unconventional behavior toward bears, camped in the middle of a very dangerous situation with an older male bear that's even less tolerant. We'll never know if this is the bear that killed them, but in my heart I believe it was." Board members "played devil's advocate" and considered other theories, including foul play and the possibility that the campers were harassing the animals or leaving food lying around. Van Daele said some open snack food was found untouched inside the couple's tent, which was knocked down but not torn up during the attack. The audio recording, found at the campsite, was the strongest piece of evidence that the deaths were not human-caused, Van Daele said. "It was just an unfortunate situation," he said. "It's not the bear's fault and not necessarily the people's fault. It's real easy to fault the horrible bears or the dumb people, but that's not fair. The important thing is to learn from this." The report recommends only a review of policies regulating camping, bear management and food storage at the 4.7-million acre park. Unrestricted camping is prohibited only within 11/2 miles of Brooks Camp, the most popular bear-watching site in the park, but nowhere else. A review could result in other restricted areas, said Park Service spokesman John Quinley. But there's only so much that can be done in the way of widespread policy changes, particularly in response to the first known bear mauling deaths in the park's 85-year history. "This case was such an aberration," Quinley said. "We don't want to jump into changing regulations." If nothing else, Van Daele hopes the deaths of Treadwell and Huguenard will be a wake-up call for wildlife photographers and videographers. "We see so many of these folks pushing the envelope to get close shots no one has ever gotten," Van Daele said. "I'd like to see these people get more responsible. They don't have to get in the animal's face." A panel that examined the circumstances of the deadly October brown bear attack in Katmai National Park and Preserve is recommending a review of the park's camping and bear management policies, federal officials said Wednesday. The Technical Board of Investigation has wrapped up its inquiry in the deaths of Malibu, Calif., bear activists Timothy Treadwell and Amie Huguenard and plans to submit its final report to National Park Service officials within a week. The four-page report also sums up likely contributing factors in the deaths of Treadwell, 46, a wildlife author who spent the past 13 summers tracking brown bears at the Alaska Peninsula park, and Hugue-nard, 37, who joined him in recent years. Treadwell was known and sometimes criticized for getting too chummy with brown bears -- as coastal grizzlies are called in Alaska -- without any kind of protection, such as bear spray. The partially eaten bodies of the couple were found in heavy bear-feeding grounds at the shore of Kaflia Lake on Oct. 6 when a pilot arrived to pick them up and saw a large brown bear standing over human remains. Responding rangers later shot and killed a thousand-pound bear when it charged at them through dense thickets of alder. State troopers and rangers also killed a smaller bear apparently stalking them. "The location of the camp was obviously a contributing factor in the deaths of these people," said Katmai park superintendent Joe Fowler, who chaired the five-member board. "If they had been half a mile away, they might not have been killed." Park Service officials said they could not yet discuss details in the report until it passes the muster of agency attorneys. But they said it contains no surprises. All the evidence -- including a six-minute audio recording of a frantic Treadwell being attacked -- pointed to a single scenario, that the campers were killed by a bear, contrary to early rumors that poachers might have been involved, said Larry Van Daele, a state wildlife biologist and the only non-Park Service member of the investigative panel. Van Daele performed necropsies on the two bears and found human remains in the stomach of the larger bear, a scrawny but healthy 28-year-old male that was probably looking to fatten up for winter. "There was a poor berry crop this year, so bears did not develop quite as much fat, and they were in the last area of the season to find salmon, so they were less tolerant of people, even of each other," Van Daele said. "Now add an unconventional person with unconventional behavior toward bears, camped in the middle of a very dangerous situation with an older male bear that's even less tolerant. We'll never know if this is the bear that killed them, but in my heart I believe it was." Board members "played devil's advocate" and considered other theories, including foul play and the possibility that the campers were harassing the animals or leaving food lying around. Van Daele said some open snack food was found untouched inside the couple's tent, which was knocked down but not torn up during the attack. The audio recording, found at the campsite, was the strongest piece of evidence that the deaths were not human-caused, Van Daele said. "It was just an unfortunate situation," he said. "It's not the bear's fault and not necessarily the people's fault. It's real easy to fault the horrible bears or the dumb people, but that's not fair. The important thing is to learn from this." The report recommends only a review of policies regulating camping, bear management and food storage at the 4.7 million-acre park. Unrestricted camping is currently prohibited only within 1 ½ miles of Brooks Camp, the most popular bear-watching site in the park, but nowhere else. A review could result in other restricted areas, said Park Service spokesman John Quinley. But there's only so much that can be done in the way of widespread policy changes, particularly in response to the first known bear mauling deaths in the park's 85-year history. "This case was such an aberration," Quinley said. "We don't want to jump into changing regulations." If nothing else, Van Daele hopes the deaths of Treadwell and Huguenard will be a wake-up call for wildlife photographers and videographers. "We see so many of these folks pushing the envelope to get close shots no one has ever gotten," Van Daele said. "I'd like to see these people get more responsible. They don't have to get in the animal's face."
You might want to investigate the story of "Christian." Might give you a little insight.
More info please? Is that a name or a Biblical ref to Man's dominion over the beasts of the forest?
Amazing, and outstanding - thank you.
A little touchy feely for the position you're advocating, is it not? However, your point is made. I agree zoos are the last place wild animals should be. And humans entering the domain of the wild must respect it or suffer the consequences. However, the "Christian" story transcends this aspect, imo, and reveals an aspect of connection that elevates both man and beast.
The tone is a little obnoxious to me. Thanks for pointing that out. And, that ain't the worst of it. This really makes me wanna push their scooters into the marsh. " "It was just an unfortunate situation," he said. "It's not the bear's fault and not necessarily the people's fault. It's real easy to fault the horrible bears or the dumb people, but that's not fair. The important thing is to learn from this." ____________________ Oh, really? If they camped in a bear feeding area believing that bears need affection more than protein to survive and were eaten for their foolish beliefs, would the person who finds no one at fault call that an Act Of God? And since he failed to condemn the Darwin Award winning stupidity what is the lesson to be learned? To take bear toys, pastel blankies and lots of jerky next time? I mean, *good grief*, you know?
Most interesting.
We have just discovered an important note from space They were very fond of humans, but they had a rather nasty way of showing their affection for homo sapiens ;-) The puppies are cute, a lion that will never be domesticated according to human standards or successfully returned to the wild is a tragedy for the lion. You are correct that a lion will be observed as diseased/flawed when behaving other than as a complete killer.
Thank you.
Well, to paraphrase former Secretary of The Interior James Watt, "Let Reagan be Reagan!" I say, "Let lions be lions. it really is what they do best, and no one can fault them if they fail to improve the self esteem of humans (or even kill and eat those) who misjudge them."
The video of the lion was sent to me in an email a few days back and all I could think of was "how stupid can these guys get". For lots of reasons..... Haven't the federales figured out a way to prevent 'stupid'? They've been trying their damnedest to remove anything that might suggest personal responsibility. Now.......for dat puppydawg video.....have you ever sung to yer little dawgies to put them to sleep? Worked, huh. :)
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
I always count on your old fashioned horse sense, the kind that comes from running a farm and understanding nature. I sang to my babies when they were in die dies. My sons's fave was DORKY THE DICKBRAIN sung to the melody of FROSTY THE SNOWMAN.
That's truly lovely and uplifting./s Thank you. not.
sawwy.
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: HOUNDDAWG (#1)
#4. To: all, A MUST SEE 2 MINUTE VIDEO (#0)
#5. To: angle (#3)
Dawg - Enjoy the moment, man.
#6. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)
#7. To: angle (#6)
#8. To: christine (#0)
#9. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)
We'll never know if this is the bear that killed them, but in my heart I believe it was.
#10. To: angle (#9)
A little touchy feely for the position you're advocating, is it not? However, your point is made.
#11. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)
The Martians plan to throw a dance for all the human race
#12. To: HOUNDDAWG (#5)
(Edited)
The Lions Of Tsavo.
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#13. To: Tauzero (#11)
#14. To: X-15, angle, Tauzero, lodwick, christine, Jethro Tull, rowdee (#12)
#15. To: HOUNDDAWG (#14)
#16. To: rowdee (#15)
#17. To: angle, christine, rowdee, X-15, Tauzero, lodwick (#3)
Dawg - Enjoy the moment, man.
#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#17)
#19. To: angle (#18)
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