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Title: An Hour with US Senator Jim Webb
Source: Charlie Rose Show
URL Source: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi ... ur_with_us_senator_jim_we.html
Published: Jul 23, 2008
Author: Video
Post Date: 2008-07-23 08:56:27 by iconoclast
Keywords: Election 2008, hope, change
Views: 340
Comments: 25

A significant element in our opportunity for return to the long path back to American political common sense.

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Six hours and the cowardly hate mongerers are still "no-shows".

Hmmm.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-23   15:15:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

cowardly hate mongerers

to whom are you referring?

fyi, i watched the interview. webb is less aggressive and makes more sense in his rhetoric regarding Afghanistan and Pakistan than is/does obama. that's probably because obama is being managed and told what to say while webb, not in the presidential race, can say what he thinks...and, actually, he said that's the reason he's not interested in the VP spot.

incidentally, i'm sure this interview would have garnered more interest among 4um'ers had he still been a contender. at this point, he's just another democrat politician who's a proponent of the WOT and the Bin Laden did 911 myth.

christine  posted on  2008-07-23   16:07:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

incidentally, i'm sure this interview would have garnered more interest among 4um'ers had he still been a contender.

christine, the post had nothing to do with "contenders" of course, that train left the station some time ago. Now we're approaching nut cutting time and our choice is four more years of Republican ideas (74% of Americans say we're on the wrong path) or new philosophies (read Main St. versus Wall St.). The November election is not the political super bowl and votes are not fantasy football choices based on habit and/or emotion. Of course Webb will exert more influence in the Senate than he would in a corner office of the White House. The point is that folks like Obama, Webb, Nunn, and others will simply provide superior leadership to that of the same ole same ole.

Rupert, Webb's decision is based on the reasons I have stated above. American politics is, and always has been, a sausage factory. The Veep role is still essentially not worth a "bucket of hot spit" as old Cactus Jack said many moons ago (I believe the word he actually used was piss). It usually goes to a "harmless individual" (read Bill Miller), an ambitious political hack (read Al Gore),or for "balance" (read the tragic selection of G. W. H. Bush in 1980). This years selections may be telling.

Jim Webb might, or might not be a good guy ...your ebony god is in Israel courting dual citizen, Jewish voters.

Yeah sure JT, and John Boner and his Senate neighbor across the river, the odious McConnell, may or may not be air-headed, trough-feeding, good little political soldiers.

I didn't wake up one morning and catch Obama appearing on some college campus, thereby converting me into an Obama "worshiper". No, I made up my mind well before this election ... evidence? I voted against that wienie DeWine in 2006, my first vote for a Dem at the national level in 50 years.

As to emotion-based election thinking, yes, I fell early on for Dr. Paul like a high school majorette, but soon recognized that he had the chance of a fart in a hurricane of having any short run influence on the direction of the country. This year's vote is all about a direction changing U-turn, period.

Jewish-vote pandering? You 'splain it to me (???). Hell, there must be more Chinese restaurants in this country than Jewish voters ... yet every politician of both parties finds it necessary to make his/her pilgrimage to the wailing wall.

Voting this particular time in any way that promotes "four more years" makes as much sense as buying a dryrot infested wooden boat. This year the election will not be decided by that portion of the electorate found amongst us, i.e., the profound political thinkers that will still vote on the basis that all R's are God's chosen people and all D's are "Commies" .... in other words, the 29%'ers.

Parenthetically, with reference to Webb's "neo-confederate leanings" one can only conclude that he does not share the terror of many here that we whites are gonna wake up four years from now in the plantation cabins.

A somewhat more likely alternative is that the south may return to the Dem party in significant numbers. Thus, if a real conservative party should actually arise from the ashes they will have to win back the south without simply appealing to enough redneck jingoes and snake handlers to carry that geography.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-24   9:23:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The point is that folks like Obama, Webb, Nunn, and others will simply provide superior leadership to that of the same ole same ole.

Jewish-vote pandering? You 'splain it to me (???). Hell, there must be more Chinese restaurants in this country than Jewish voters ... yet every politician of both parties finds it necessary to make his/her pilgrimage to the wailing wall.

Voting this particular time in any way that promotes "four more years" makes as much sense as buying a dryrot infested wooden boat.

But voting for the incumbents of either party or either deeply flawed Pres candidate is voting for same old same old, ie. a dryrot infested boat.

That you are blind to the failings of Obama and the Democratic Party and only focus on those of the McCain and the Republicans is astonishing to me.

Who enabled Bush and the neocons to go off on their foreign war adventures? Who lied about stopping the foreign war occupations in Novemeber 2006?

What is causing our economic meltdown? Foreign wars are a big factor and what Pres candidate is now advocating an expansio of the Afghanistan War even into Pakistan? Who is now kissing ass in Israel and saying that military action against Iran is on the table?

What party gets most of its campaign contributions from the banking industry, trial lawyers, and AIPAC?

Obama and the Democrats policies on foreign policy and banking interests are identical to that of the neocons presently at the helm of the Dems - see Chuckie Cheesey Schumer and Rahm Emmanuel.

Now that our nation is on its knees financially, the Dems are proposing one final death blow - universal health insurance for everyone within our borders, illegals included who don't pay income tax.

And you have the gall to say the Obama and the Dems will steer us on a different, better course? Are you nuts?

PS Webb's hero is Andrew Jackson. A military general. Neocons love Andrew Jackson as well.

Sam Nunn - here's a write up on him from 2004:

Sam Nunn, CSIS Chairman:

The CSIS is under direction by the board of trustees chairman and former senator Sam Nunn. Sam Nunn is the senior partner in the law firm of King & Spalding, where he focuses his practice on international and corporate matters. He served as a U.S. senator from Georgia for 24 years (1972-1996).

He is also a board member of the following publicly held corporations: The Coca-Cola Company; Dell Computer Corporation; General Electric Company; Internet Security Systems, Inc.; Scientific-Atlanta, Inc.; and the Chevron Texaco Oil Corporation. Sam Nunn has big oil interests in US-occupied Iraq.

The CSIS is made up of Neoconservatives.

Neoconservatives are the bad guys.

The CSIS consists mostly of un-elected Neoconservative individuals who affect US government policy.

The CSIS Advisory Board is composed of both public- and private- sector policymakers, including several members of Congress. The CSIS Washington Roundtable meets three to four times a year with members of Congress, executive branch officials, and other Washington experts to discuss pressing policy issues of the day. Neoconservative views dominate the media.

CSIS Neoconservatives are mostly former leftists/liberals who converted to conservatism during the ’70’s and 80’s when Ronald Reagan became President.

“Neoconservatives are followers of Leo Strauss and are commonly known as Straussians. Leo Strauss, a Jew from Nazi German arrived in the US in 1938 and taught at the New School for Social Research. Later he taught at the University of Chicago where he managed to gather about a 100 Ph.D. students who later became disciples of Straussian philosophy and took up important posts in various institutions.”

– Paul Webster, “What it is and how it came about…”

In domestic policies Neocons tend to be “liberal” while being extremely militant about foreign affairs....CSIS Neocons are notorious for avoiding all explanations for terrorists’ hatred towards America, because that would bring questions about US globalization and imperialism. So they “explain” terrorists as “freedom haters” or “anti-Semitics” (ignoring the obvious fact that Arabs can’t be anti-Semitic since they are Semitic) who are insane suicide bombers that enjoy killing people and themselves just because they oppose freedom and American values. The reason for terrorist activity is vastly more complicated than this Neocon explanation. Alternative media sources are trying to get the real news out but in these paranoid “Patriot Act” times, it can be very difficult.

“In spite of constant reassurances about the term ‘democracy’ one is rarely allowed to criticize the country of Israel without suffering some punishing consequence for it. If you are a Jew you may survive the accusations of anti-Semitism but if you consistently express yourself online in any dissidence about Israel’s current politick, you will probably not be immune to cyber attack.”

- Mary La Rosa, The Chomskybot Code: Conduct in the Time of Terror

In the Middle East, CSIS Neocons support the most extremist elements in Israel such as the Likud Party. The Likud party is made-up of Jewish Zionists.

“The war in Iraq was conceived by 25 Neoconservative intellectuals, most of them Jewish, who are pushing President Bush to change the course of history.”

- Ari Shavit, “White Man’s Burden”

The CSIS supports the illegal occupation of Arab land. These Israeli settlements (a large percentage of the settlers are Jewish-Americans who are shipped from America to Israel via private funding) are illegal occupation and colonization of Palestinian land. Many American Neoconservative leaders in the CSIS and other similar Neoconservative Organizations promote the settlements, openly arguing that they will help to bring about “Armageddon” and the return of Christ.

These Ideological Zionist Neoconservatives are the dominant force over Republican Conservatives and Democrat Neoconservatives in Congress...

us.altermedia.info/zionis...world-domination_457.html

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-24   14:44:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The neocons have taken over only one US party. God willing they never will again.

Eight years of the worst and and most treasonous rule in American history and you waste all these words on the Democrats?

Got Coke? Junked your Dell computer?

Hopeless.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-24   16:52:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The neocons have taken over only one US party.

The Democratic party is also infested by neoconservatives. Some, like Lieberman (former democrat independent who still caucuses with Dems) are full fledged neocons, while others, like Obama, are still on the road to neocon Damascus. linton (Bill and Hillary), Gore, Wesley Clark, John Kerry, Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Diane Feinstein, and many other big names in the Democratic Party agree with neoconservative foreign policy. They may nitpick about the details to make themselves sound like an alternative to the GOP, but everyone knows that they're pretty much on board with the program.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-07-25   13:44:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

but everyone knows that they're pretty much on board with the program.

I agree the Democrats are a sorry bunch of sad sacks.

I believe a number of those you named have seen their "best" days and are on their way down or out..

I believe there are enough half-way decent Dems to to a a job.

They all, we all, need leadership.

Believe Rupert ... if you can't believe, try hope. The Republicans have reneged on their trust and deserve neither belief nor hope.

So try hope.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-07-25   21:32:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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