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Title: Edgar Mitchell: Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years
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URL Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet ... contact--covered-60-years.html
Published: Jul 24, 2008
Author: some journalist dirtbag
Post Date: 2008-07-24 08:18:53 by gengis gandhi
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Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years

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Edgar Mitchell

Edgar Mitchell was the Lunar Module Pilot for Apollo 14

Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed.

Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell, said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up.

Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.'

He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head.

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is 'not nearly as sophisticated' as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned 'we would be been gone by now'.

Dr Mitchell, along with with Apollo 14 commander Alan Shepard, holds the record for the longest ever moon walk, at nine hours and 17 minutes following their 1971 mission.

'I happen to have been privileged enough to be in on the fact that we've been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomena is real,' Dr Mitchell said.

'It's been well covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so, but slowly it's leaked out and some of us have been privileged to have been briefed on some of it. alien

UFO theorists believe Roswell in New Mexico was the site of an alien crash in 1947

'I've been in military and intelligence circles, who know that beneath the surface of what has been public knowledge, yes - we have been visited. Reading the papers recently, it's been happening quite a bit.'

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Dr Mitchell, who has a Bachelor of Science degree in aeronautical engineering and a Doctor of Science degree in Aeronautics and Astronautics claimed Roswell was real and similar alien visits continue to be investigated.

He told the astonished Kerrang! radio host Nick Margerrison: "This is really starting to open up. I think we're headed for real disclosure and some serious organisations are moving in that direction.'

Mr Margerrison said: 'I thought I'd stumbled on some sort of astronaut humour but he was absolutely serious that aliens are definitely out there and there's no debating it.'

Officials from NASA, however, were quick to play the comments down.

In a statement, a spokesman said: "NASA does not track UFOs. NASA is not involved in any sort of cover up about alien life on this planet or anywhere in the universe.

'Dr Mitchell is a great American, but we do not share his opinions on this issue.'

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Poster Comment:

you know i am going to rub the nose of all the smug, belief system programees into this shitpile as it keeps going down.

what should a sheeple think anymore?

go ask your preacher and bring your checkbook, fuckstick.

this is all part of planned disclosure....the off world groups have informed the world govts that disclosure will be happening....its just whether they want to be shown as liars or if they wish to retain a shred of credibility/control....

anyway, i have been saying all of this for the last ten years to impotent shrieks of the incoherent ridicule of human furniture....

but the worm does not tell the sparrow how to fly.

dig?

floor show of the galaxy, kiddies, and i got a front row seat and a bag of rotten produce to throw...btw, the real fun coming is the shift in consciousness and the shortened feedback loop between intent and manifestation, but we'll leave that for the big kids

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#1. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell, said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up.

Kook!

I demand my rapture!

Flintlock  posted on  2008-07-24   9:08:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Flintlock (#1)

good to see you flintlock.

man am i going to whip an unholy amount of shit on the heads of these arrogant, self righteous fools.

the lords of karma like to use me as a temp.

Many believe in either intelligent design or evolution...but I am opting for unintelligent design, where god is a retarded kid who likes setting army men on fire and leaving his toys out in the rain.

Gengis Gandhi, Troubled Genius

We come from the land of the ice and snow,
From the midnight sun where the hot springs blow.
The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands,
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!

On we sweep with threshing oar, Our only goal will be the western shore.

gengis gandhi  posted on  2008-07-24   9:21:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: gengis gandhi, ALL (#2)

Here's audio:

www.breitbart.tv/?p=137643

christine  posted on  2008-07-24   10:13:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

what should a sheeple think anymore?

go ask your preacher and bring your checkbook

LOL

shift in consciousness and the shortened feedback loop between intent and manifestation, but we'll leave that for the big kids

big kids...who dat?

angle  posted on  2008-07-24   10:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: gengis gandhi (#2)

Troubled Genius

redundant

angle  posted on  2008-07-24   10:37:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell, said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up.

more psyops

NASA's spiritual roots is the Kabbalah:

http://www.fixedearth.com/nasas_spiritual_roots.htm

Kabbalah is Jewish Mysticism and the illuminati.....Kabbalah is the basis for the rumored occult practices of the Freemasons, the Illuminati and the Knights Templar, the styling of the O.T.O., the antichrist rituals of Jack Parsons, and the creation of mystical beings such as the Golem. Scientology is also roughly modeled on the Kabbalah, albeit filtered through a Battlestar Galactica sensibility. Kabbalah a religious occult links all of the other occults together. Kabbalism is traditional sorcery of all occults...... ...Anyone that believes in the Kabbalah is a Cabbalist. Kabbalah can also be pronounced as Qabala, Cabala, Kabala, or Qabalah. The Zionist in Israel are Kabbalists or Cabalists...."

www.thunderministries.net/Kabbalah/kabbalah.htm

It's ultimate agenda is to deny the Word of God, and Jesus Christ:

"...NASA has a spiritual agenda. Yes, spiritual. It projects the image of cutting edge science opening exciting space frontiers for the good of mankind, but the facts say otherwise. Judge for yourself:

On the Space Administration's Web Page we read: "NASA's ORIGINS PROGRAM will search for clues to help us find our cosmic roots."

"Cosmic roots...?? Origins Program...???

There are two major beliefs about the origin of mankind and all other life forms. One says God created man and everything else not very long ago. The Bible states this view over 100 times and allows for no other explanation. God created everything fully formed as part of an eternal plan, the Bible teaches. Period. The other belief says everything came to be as it is accidentally and randomly as the result of natural forces acting upon themselves and "evolving" over billions of years. Clearly, the evolutionary belief is anti-Bible, but--more to the point about NASA's goals being spiritual--it is a belief that attributes miraculous powers of creation of all that exists to a "force" or a god known as "matter" (and "gases"). Matter did it all. All hail "matter"! No God who demands recognition and accountability is needed! With "matter" as creator we can do what we want ('cause nothing matters...).

As might be expected, a compromise belief has arisen out of these two opposites. It is called "theistic evolutionism". This view acknowledges that there has to be a God to explain the mind-blowing design that exists any which way we turn. But, says the Theistic Evolutionist, this God did not create everything fully formed but used an evolutionary process over billions of years to do the job. This evolution-dependent compromise allows a Creator God of sorts, but does not allow the Omniscient and Omnipotent Creator God Who authored the Bible. (Of note too is the fact that the Moslem Koran makes no compromise with evolution either....).

Therefore, NASA's stated goal of searching space for clues to man's origins reveals the premise behind their taxpayer supported Origins Program. That premise is that evolution is true and the Bible (along with the Koran) is false. This premise is not secular; it is spiritual. It claims to be scientific and therefore independent of religion. It is not scientific, as we shall see. It is religious, as we shall also see. The evolutionary premise violates all known science and logic. It does not have the first piece of verifiable evidence to support the squirrely evolution myth it calls "scientific". Evolutionism embodies a single spiritual agenda, viz., disqualify and replace the Bible as the source of Truth....."

http://www.fixedearth.com/nasas_hanky-panky.htm

In Jesus Christ there is freedom. Ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall make you free. Without Jesus Christ there is slavery and death. That's the reality. That's the choice.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-07-24   14:09:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: gengis gandhi (#0) (Edited)

Dr. Werner von Braun said to watch out for tripe like this. We can dismiss these ancedotal shriekings of "THEY'RE OUT THERE!" with complete confidence. You and your fairy-tale are hereby dismissed with a wave of my superior hand.

Be sure to tune in to the 700 Club tonight with credit-cards at the ready...

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-07-24   14:31:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: gengis gandhi, christine, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Rotara, CadetD, Cynicom, Peppa, Tom007, lodwick, all (#0) (Edited)

This would not surprise me in the least. The evidence supporting visitations by more advanced civilizations long ago passed the threshold of support. The government, and we know this from leaks (and heavily heavily "redacted" documents responsive to FOIA requests), has long been suppressing data regarding such visitations and have used PsyOp techniques to "Kookify" anyone looking seriously at the available data.

This holds true as well for the evidence of prior advanced civilization on this planet.

Such data and observations scare some people and thus they must deny it and deride it because it threatens their world view and they are too rigid to observe data beyond their fixations.

The reality is that our culture is, and has been since the 1920's, under psychological assault to create a "managed society". Data which would cause people to think, to wonder, and to desire to know ist verboten as it cuts across the psychological/psychiatric perception management at play.

Anyone wishing to confirm this for themselves need merely look at the "Brookings Report" written in the late '50's (Published 1960). One of the key conclusions in the report was that the admission and acknowledgment of Extraterrestrial Civilizations would have a profound impact on our culture.

There have been other movements and data as well which are of the same order of magnitude. If we posit the existence of a "NWO" which wishes to establish a totalitarian society then any data which nullifies the conditioning regimen has to be suppressed in order to maintain "control". As Andrew Carnegie put it in the 1920's - he did not want a working class that thinks but people to man his factories. Thus the suppression of knowledge and the INTENTIONAL sabotage of our education system. These all tie together as factors in knowledge control and thus perception control. Ignorant people are easier to control and less likely to develop "airs" which are offensive to their "betters". As historian, writer, and documentarian James Burke put it: "What you see is determined by what you know, and when that changes everything changes." Anyone wanting to see how this works need merely watch his documentary program series "The Day The Universe Changed" (hard to find but the book is more available).

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-24   15:00:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#6)

I can't believe that a book written by sand dwellers three thousand years ago or so is the ultimate and defintive word on what the Universe is all about.

Especially when one takes into account there are writings even MORE ancient than the Torah (Old Testament) that refer to beings from the heavens arriving in ships of light. Look up Sumerian legends.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-24   15:13:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: FormerLurker (#9) (Edited)

I can't believe that a book written by sand dwellers three thousand years ago or so is the ultimate and defintive word on what the Universe is all about. Especially when one takes into account there are writings even MORE ancient than the Torah (Old Testament) that refer to beings from the heavens arriving in ships of light. Look up Sumerian legends.

Look up.....

Nazi UFO Legends

An excerpt from the book, 'Space Aliens from the Pentagon'

Subtitle - Flying Saucers Are Man-Made Machines

greyfalcon.us/Space%20Ali...From%20The%20Pentagon.htm

Aerospace researcher and writer, William R. Lyne, who had a Top Secret clearance in Air Force Intelligence, says we need not look to space for the origins of flying saucers. Residing in New Mexico for over 30 years, where he has developed intelligence contacts at Los Alamos, the secret facility where much of this country's most classified military research is being conducted, he has seen several formations of flying saucers and has concluded that the UFO crash at Roswell was an elaborate government disinformation hoax meant to convince the American public that these objects are interplanetary... when in fact they are manufactured right here on earth.

Ever heard of the concept of Free Energy? What the term means is the ability to generate more energy than was expended to create that energy in the first place. Or, in other words, to create powerful, usable energy virtually out of nothing. According to Einstein's theory of relativity, it should be literally impossible to do so.

VIDEOS [ATKHWDI NOTE: videos appear to have disappeared]

Hitler's Secret Flying Saucers

William Lyne about the man-made saucers and their technology.

Nazi UFOs - How They Fly -

The German Tesla Anti-Gravity and Free Energy Program

William Lyne on the secret technologies surrounding the Nazi flying disc projects.

Lyne doesn't let something like Einstein stand in his way as he recounts the history of maverick inventor Nikola Tesla's pioneering efforts to create just the kind of Free Energy device capable of powering the man-made flying saucers Lyne believes the Nazis operated before, during and after World War II.

As Lyne says, when Tesla offered his new experimental technology to the U.S. government, they turned him down flat, believing he was quite insane. It was at that point that the Germans sent in a covert operative to cultivate Tesla's friendship and bring Tesla's device to the aid of the Nazi military effort in the years shortly before the war. [ATKHWDI NOTE: Please see: Nikola Tesla, Hitler, George [Scherff] Bush, etc. http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm ] Nazi rocket genius Wernher von Braun took Tesla's technological breakthrough and applied it for use in a saucer-shaped aircraft that could fly by way of an energy that was ten to the fortieth power stronger than the gravitational field, making the aircraft capable of unbelievable speeds and maneuvering.

Why was this technology kept secret after the war ended? Lyne says it was because it would render obsolete so many mainstays of our world economy, including our dependence on fossil fuels and our outmoded forms of transportation. So the alien explanation, what is often called "the extraterrestrial hypothesis," was slowly leaked to the public through a long-term disinformation campaign to maintain the cover-up of technologies that would have set our economy on its ear.

Some of his revelations include the facts:

# That German scientists developed a series of circular and boomerang shaped craft, based upon the research of electrical genius Nikola Tesla, and flew them during the 1930s and 40s.

# That the Germans may even have had a "flying submarine" that was witnessed and reported throughout Europe and was capable of reaching high velocity.

# That after the war over 1000 Nazi scientists and engineers were allowed into this country to continue working on the Anti-Gravity and Free Energy programs that had begun with the financial backing of the Nazi regime.

# That the US continues to keep the flying saucer phenomena shrouded in mystery for their own unsavory purposes, while they continue to foster the idea that there are "aliens among us!"

My book is related to the following list of little-known, officially suppressed or publically unknown facts:

1. An American citizen (naturalized), Nikola Tesla (an atheist and a capitalist), invented the flying saucer, before 1900, and reduced it to practice by 1915.

2. The American government helped the Nazis steal the invention from Tesla (who hated the Nazis),and by 1937, the Nazis were secretly developing it at Los Alamos, New Mexico (then called the "p2" project), under the direction of the Baron Wernher von Braun, who also collaborated in rocket research with Dr. Robert Goddard at Roswell, funded by the American Rocket Society (The Smithsonian Institution and the Guggenheim Foundation).

3. The American government later helped Wernher von Braun, the Nazis, and the Trilateral Commission and Illuminati (who still retain control) remove the "KT-p2" Projekt ("KT" is for "Kreisel-Teller" [German, for "Gyrating Plate"], and "p2" is the electronic designation for an "oscillating electromagnetic dipole") to Germany, after 1937.

4. The Nazis, who attempted to develop and use the flying saucer during the war (called "Foo-Fighters" by us, "Fireballs" and "Flying Turtles" by them), were unsuccessful in developing appropriate weapons for it until too late, and finally traded it back to us during the stalemate of 1945, in exchange for amnesty for numerous persons (including many war criminals), and for other concessions and guarantees (many of which are too numerous or incredible to mention here).

5. The U.S. government (N.S.A., O.S.I.), on behalf of the Trilateral Commission, continues with and enforces a Nazi-originated "Big Lie" program, in which it perpetuates the hoax that flying saucers ("U.FO.s") are: (a) Extraterrestrial in origin; (b) psychological phenomena ("collective consciousness archetypal images", ala C. G. Jung); (c) swamp gas; (d) "free-floating plasmas"; (e) piezo-electric effects; (f) ball-lightning; (g) other natural phenomena; (h) unknown life forms; (i) hallucinations; (j) non-existent; (k)hoaxes by attention-seekers; (l)the products of hysteria, insanity, etc., etc.

6. The German navy surrounded the U.S. with 24 U-boats, armed with (V-6?) I.C.B.M.s, having celestial guidance systems, and armed with neutron bomb warheads, trained on key American cities and centers, in a 1945 stalemate; German Admiral Karl Dönitz negotiated a secret truce and amnesty agreement with American authorities, under which he was required to order all 24 U-boats "...scuttled, with all hands on board...", under the agreement, pursuant to which Nazi skippers opened the hatches and the subs and all men on board went to the bottom. Under Operation Paperclip, all Nazi scientific research materials, most of their important scientists, and the "KT-p2 Projekt" technology, were transferred to the U.S. and to the Trilateral Commission corporations, thus attempting to insure that the Illuminati would retain control of the materials. Certain unusual security procedures were initiated to insure this, including the "sacrificing" of some major German scientists to the Soviets, to plant misinformation, and to insure that the hoax was successful.

7. During the war, German scientists bypassed development of the "atom bomb", and built and tested the neutron bomb. German field Marshall Erwin Rommel and the Afrika Korps were originally sent to North Africa to test the neutron bomb, as well as Tesla's "death ray" (which freezes whole armies); this technology was acquired by American corporations, held chiefly by David Rockefeller, and was later sold in part back to the U.S. government and tested in the '60s, and the same technology was again sold to the U.S. government again in the '70s and '80s, as "Star Wars"

8. Over 15,000 German military, technical, intelligence, and support personnel were brought to America (mostly New Mexico-Manzano Base, Sandia Base, White Sands Missile Range, Alamogordo, Holloman A.F.B., Los Alamos, etc.) with the "KT-p2" project, in Sept., 1945, at which time, under Operation Paper Clip, Wernher von Braun became Director of Research, U.S. Army Ordnance, Ft. Bliss, Texas; he and his 116 top rocket scientists commenced rocket (and flying saucer) R.& D. at nearby White Sands Missile Range, and Alamogordo.

9. Howard Hughes "Glomar Explorer" was built to retrieve the 24 scuttled German U-Boats, before terrorists or unfriendly governments found and retrieved the subs, missiles, bombs, and related technology, and because the WW II German U-boats were powered by a type of magnetic-electric generator (invented by an American named Dort of Virginia) which was superior to nuclear power. Further details about the German 'ship', the Graf Zeppelin are included in this book.

Adolf and Eva (Braun) Hitler were daringly rescued from the Berlin Bunker by flying saucer, piloted by test pilot Hanna Reitsch and long distance flight expert Hans Ulrch Rudel. The couple were later protected by the secret amnesty agreement, live their remaining lives under protection of the N.A.T.O. alliance, in Kassel, Germany, ironically the home of an international monument to the Holocaust. The "Hitlers" even visited America on the invitation of L.B.J. to visit "Hemisfair", the World's fair at San Antonio, Texas, in 1967.

10. Part of the original deceit was under way at Wright-Patterson A.F.B., Ohio, even before the German surrender; Edgar Cayce was already employed as a technical writer, to revise, adapt, and resume the propaganda work pioneered by Hans Hörbiger, Hitler's personal guru and astrologer, the official "father of parapsycholgy", and designer of the Nazi "Big Lie" system, in which the public's credibility 'window' is wallowed into a giant hole, allowing the indiscriminate acceptance of faceless authority and whatever the government says; the U.S. government even hired an Ohio naval law professor (and genius) to revise and popularize "Astara" ("Ostara" to Hitler), the Nazi religion based on the Bonpas (Tibetan black magic) religion, imported from Tibet to Germany by general Karl Haushofer, an ordained Bonpas priest, as the basis for the S.S., financed and setup on instructions of the British-American CFR, in 1919; the S.S. Bonpas worshipped "Kali Ma" ("Bloody Mother"). This cult founded the ancient Thugee cult of India, and was the basis for the Society of Assassins; the concepts of this weird religion related to the mass extermination of people, through many means, including assassinations, exterminations, and war; and the basis for all 20th century totalitarian movements.

11. Most forms of mass communication are primarily controlled or produced by the Illuminati, through the secret agencies of our government, to brain wash the public, in the most monumental hoax in history, to socio-economically control the world, and to perpetuate lies designed to obscure the flying saucer's man-made origin and use (as well as to steal and conceal or monolithically control all other advanced technology); the government hires consultants, contract script writers, and teams of Ph.D.s, to create and disseminate "Big Lie" Propaganda, in countless pulp magazines and newspapers, and finances and produces books and movies of the "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" ilk, to perpetuate the "extraterrestrial" myth; the government controls and manipulates the press, hires lecturers, and organizes and funds UFO groups; the government stages "abductions", using actors, drugs, and sets; "Operation Blue Book" was set up at Wright-Patterson A.F.B. to retrieve leaked information and plug leaks, disseminate misinformation, falsely represent "expert, objective, scientific opinion", and to ferret out 'problem people'; mystical organizations (such as A.R.E.- "Association for Research and Enlightenment"- part of the Edgar Cayce Foundation, of Virginia Beach, Virginia [conveniently close to the C.I.A. headquarters])- are created for the same purposes, and set the stage for the type of mass psychological control of the public required for totalitarian control by mystical cults, such as "Communism", "Naziism", "Synergy", or "psychic" cults.

12. Flying saucers operate on basic, simple, sound (but very carefully obscured) scientific electrical and physical principles, known for over 100 years; Sir George Clerk Maxwell's famous equations were 'edited' to remove certain information from 'unclassified' access, and all public sources were thoroughly scoured by the F.B.I. in 1942; the flying saucer uses the electromagnetic interaction (which is on a magnitude of "10/40 (10 to the 40th power) x 2" times greater than the gravitational interaction), to move huge saucers at fantastic speeds in defiance to gravity and inertia, with almost no net energy consumption; flying saucers can be powered by unlimited electrical energy extracted from ordinary atmospheric air, based on Tesla's ca. 1900 discoveries; (NOTE: this book tells how to build your own flying saucer.)

13."E.S.P." and "psychic phenomena" movements (based on Hans Hörbiger's original Nazi "parapsychology") are orchestrated and promoted by the N.S.A., as part of the continuation of the original Nazi "Big Lie" program, to dupe and brain wash the public, and to induce unquestioned faith rather than reason; this clandestine manipulation by the government is an unconstitutional abridgement of the U.S. Constitutional First Amendment prohibition against the government's recognition or promotion of an "establishment of religion" (i.e., generally, a mystical belief system based on faith rather than reason).

14. As an underlying cause of the "Holocaust", a proposal was made by the U.S. Government to the Treaty of Versaille Committee, in 1919. In a document known as "Morgenthau's Pastoral Policy", signed by President Woodrow Wilson (drafted by his Illuminati advisor, Hans Morgenthau, Sr.) and presented at Versailles. Under it, the U.S. attempted to make, as one of the provisions of the German surrender, the extermination of all Germans, as an "inherently warlike race", and the "reduction of Germany to a pastureland". The document, examined by me in 1968, was among the papers of former president Lyndon Baines Johnson, now kept in the Sid W. Richardson Research Center, at U.T., Austin.

15. The "cattle mutilations" phenomenon is an ongoing program of the C.I.A.'s Special Operations Division. 'Biological samples' are removed by specially trained flying saucer crews, from thousands of cattle grazing in remote areas, for analysis, to measure radiation-caused auto-immune-deficiency and reproductive sterilization effects, after the cattle have been subjected to irradiation by "Death Ray" devices under development since the 60s. Since 1979, the saucers have bombarded members of the public, under the MK-NAOMI program of the C.I.A., for purposes of "population control" (i.e., extermination). Government scientists use special surgical devices, standard blood coagulents, and cryogenic technology, enhanced by microwave equipment, to remove the cattle blood (and ears, lips, tongues, mammary glands, genitalia, anuses, etc.); afterward, the carcasses are returned and air-dropped from flying saucers, back into their original pastures; the mysterious circumstances are misconstrued by government-spread rumors of "extra-terrestrials", attributed to "satanist cults" or other cults created by the government, or "coyotes and other natural predators", etc. (Of course, MAN is a "natural predator".)

Animal Mutilations: The Unknown Predators

By Tony Dodd

One of the strangest and most sinister occurrences which seem to be associated with UFO phenomenon are the so called Animal Mutilations, which have been occurring for many years in most countries of the World. From the evidence available, America has seen far more of these bizarre cases than any other country, with many thousands of wild and domestic animals being killed and mutilated in very strange ways. This in no way detracts from the fact that here in the United Kingdom we have our fair share of animal mutilations, as do many other countries. In America the situation got so serious a few years ago that farmers were losing tens of thousands of dollars because large numbers of prime cattle and other farm animals were being killed. As a result a summit meeting of Police, Farmers and Local Authority Representatives took place in an effort to get Federal action to find the perpetrators and put a stop to the seemly senseless carnage. Also at the meeting were representatives from the FBI and the CIA. Who stated that a full investigation would take place into the phenomenon.

Although several years passed and the mutilations continued, no report was ever made public from either the FBI or the CIA. And the mutilations continued. It is inconceivable that neither of these intelligence organizations came up with any substantial information relating to the problem and it is much more likely that they were already aware of the perpetrators of these sadistic killings but hid the information under the heading of National Security.

The question has to be asked, how is it possible that these killings which have been taking place on global scale have never been witnessed, even though some have been known to happen in broad daylight. How can huge thousand pound bulls be killed and mutilated without any signs of a struggle and no ground marks are ever found. How can massive internal organs be removed through small holes and how can these animals be drained of blood, yet there is never any spillage on the ground. The tell tale signs of these mutilations is usually the same. The rectum is cored out with amazing accuracy as if by some form of laser instrument. Flesh is stripped from the head leaving the clean skull exposed. Sometimes the eyes are missing and also the ears and very often the tongue is also missing. Sometimes parts of the hide have been removed with very precise cuts leaving serrated edges at the sight of the wound. These cuts appear to have been inflicted by some form of heat instrument, which seals the cuts. The sexual organs have also regularly been taken and the udder and teats from milk cows.

These types of mutilations are not confined to cattle and have been witnessed in Horses, Deer, Sheep, Elk, foxes, Badgers, rabbits and many other wild animals even dolphins at sea, yet we are no nearer catching the culprits. Various speculative ideas have been put forward as to who is responsible, including various black magic cults and even the governments themselves. The cult argument has long since been eliminated, but there are those who are convinced that some secret government organization is involved. Many have come to this conclusion because occasionally black unmarked helicopters have been seen in the air in the vicinity of mutilations. I personally believe with good reason that the governments are tracking incoming UFOs. And are able to identify different types. When a certain UFO signature is tracked and known to be hostile, the black helicopters are scrambled to try to intercept the craft, in many cases they arrive too late after the mutilation has taken place.

The only common factors with the mutilations are the fact that many farmers have reported seeing balls of light in the sky over the fields where animals have later been found dead and the strange mutilations themselves. Often the animals are heard screaming as if being terrorized by something. Even farm dogs who are not near the scene act terrified. We have to ask what is it that causes such fear in the animals. Is it possible that their much keener sense of hearing is picking up sounds beyond our range and if so what are these sounds that cause such fear. If we speculate that the governments are involved in the mutilations, we have to ask why they don’t just take the animals away and incinerate them or dump them in the sea. Why leave them in the fields where the end product of their activities is left to be found. On the other hand if we have a predator from UFOs. Responsible, it proves beyond doubt that they are totally indifferent towards us and have no interest in the fact that the mutilations cause fear and panic. In other words if they are a predator of alien origin, they are probably a ruthless creature that is totally beyond our comprehension and understanding.

16. The Antarctic "Ozone Hole", which U.S. government scientists pretend to be at a loss to explain-yet blaming it on 'aerosol sprays'-is probably the by-product of three nuclear missiles, armed with hydrogen bomb warheads, which were launched from the Antarctic by the U.S. military, on Aug.27, Aug.30, and Sept. 9, 1957. The warheads were detonated at a 300-mile altitude, to create a reflective spherical layer of ionic particles surrounding the earth, to bounce radar impulses between the layer and the earth. The Strategic Air Command's global "backscatter" radar system, operated from the North American Air Defense (NORAD) command center deep beneath the earth at Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado, thus became operational in 1957, in time to verify that the Russians fired the rocket which launched Sputnik.

17. The N.S.A. protracts a false "national security" veil, to continue concealment of flying saucer technology, creating false fears of 'rampant anarchy', 'chaos', and other exaggerations and ruses, before N.S.A., committees, to justify continued secrecy, and to continue to deny public access to, or to declassify the technology. (If society isn't ready for it, how can THEY be?)

18. The true scientific principles of gravity have been misrepresented, confused, and concealed by "Big Brother", even in school books read by our children, just to conceal flying saucer technology, to protect the energy cartels and the mixed-economy socialist political power structure from losing its illegitimate parasitic grip on us.

19. In 1897, Nikola Tesla, a patriotic naturalized U.S. citizen, of Serbo-Croatian birth, discovered and published a new theory of energy and gravity, called the "Dynamic Theory of Gravity", which represented a unified field theory. Tesla's energy equation, "C=E/R", and Tesla's application to the Swiss Patent Office for his flying saucer patent, was made while Albert Einstein was a second class patent clerk there. Einstein's work was an Illuminati conspiracy to obliterate Tesla's discoveries, so the Illuminati could control flying saucers.

20. The government's policy of looting and suppressing ideas from independent scientists, inventors, and thinkers, on behalf of the Trilateral Commission, is related to this process, involving (1) stealing ideas from creative individuals; (2) destroying those individuals' credibility, to conceal the sources and technology; (3) ruining the lives of those individuals (even murdering them if necessary), and denying compensation or credit; (4) exercising the option to suppress the ideas under "national security laws", or giving the discoveries to their corporate crook partners for exploitation; and (5) abusing and misusing the judicial system to carry out and enforce this illegitimate, criminal process.

21. I am either correct in what I say, or am entitled to a Nobel Prize for new discoveries in gravitational theory and nuclear physics. The former is most certainly true. Since Russia in fact acquired the services of the top Nazi flying saucer scientist, and the top rocket scientist, from the Peenemünde operation, in 1945, here is a strong possibility that the Russians were privy to these secrets.

CONCLUSION

Some of you who have taken the time to read this letter, have the means to verify what I say. Others, who are among the guilty, will naturally be threatened. Others know me, and may have even offered me a high government position, which I refused. Some may shrug me off as a "harmless nut", while others may seek to harm me even more. Those who know the truth, and failed or refused to use their power to restrain the abusive government, criminals, courts, and lawyers, are responsible for causing me to say these things, and have inadvertently liberated this truth, which is my means of self defense, an inalienable natural right.

Bureaucrats naturally underestimate the power of the individual, since they are collectivists who lack a concept of individuality, operating under the delusion

of "the invincibility of the state". I may not have become angry enough to publish this expose', if they had not continued to harass me. However, what I say I HAD to say, and would have said it much sooner had it not taken me so long to gain the opportunity between harassments. Even though I am aware of the danger to me and my family, and since there have already been several murder attempts, any one of which could have succeeded, I say this while there is still an opportunity to do so, and remove their motive from the equation. Besides, it is really they who are afraid of the truth.

This letter is not intended to advance or affect any pending litigation. Those of the judiciary have already proclaimed their prejudice against me, all my pleadings having fallen upon deaf ears. This letter should not affect rights which have already been predisposed in the anti-individual bigoted courts, according to them.

This letter represents my civil disobedience, freedom of speech and expression of political opinion, declaring the right to the disposition of the products of my own creativity, and to protest the hypocrisies of our government and courts, as a citizen, a human being, an American, and a Citizen of the World.

Nothing in this book was procured in violation of any law, including "national security laws"; our government officially denies a national security interest in flying saucers, denies their existence, and we are entitled to take our government at its word, albeit unreliable and false.

Those who deny the existence of flying saucers, or who falsely assume that they are extraterrestrial, are either the victims of government/corporate-state fraud, are irrational, brainwashed dupes, or are government liars. Those who make the most rational assumption-that "flying saucers are man-made flying machines" - will eventually be vindicated by history, since the truth will be known sooner or later, and it is already very, very late.

I would have invented the flying saucer if it had not already been invented, since the concept occurred to me when I was a boy studying electricity. At age 15, I prepared for a career in aerodynamics, until I witnessed a flying saucer in broad daylight, in the company of seven other intelligent witnesses. Believing that aerodynamics would be an obsolete field by the time I finished college, I cancelled my plans. I would never have expected the secrets still to be hidden over forty years later, with aerodynamics still be a viable field, due to the continued suppression. I had been building powered model flying saucers for four years before my first close-up daylight sighting in 1953. I knew that flying saucers were real, man-made flying contraptions, powered by electricity.

While saucers are visually fantastic, with their brilliant electrical corona discharges, emission of "metallic colors", and movement in rapid bursts, changing directions instantaneously, there was nothing which could not be explained by electronic and physical theory. I could see concentric striations on a somewhat crudely spun metal hull (probably a tungsten alloy), which was a crude, early form of "stealth" radar evasion technology, which "extraterrestrials" would have had no use for.

The spreading of confusion and lies shows something important to hide, involving high priorities, and highly trained and well-paid people. The patterns of this deceit reveals the substance of hidden knowledge, extracted by a time-consuming process. It is best not to believe anything until you have a reason to believe it.

This chapter caps off over 17 years of overt judicial harassment which ensued the moment George Bush took power at the CIA. Bush is a pal with fellow Trilateralist-Republican, Robert O. Anderson, the man who controls the North Slope of Alaska and the HAARP project. Anderson would now probably disavow any connection to ARCO, which he created. He now claims bankruptcy. Chapter I can be thought of as a kind of "Revolutionary Manifesto of Laissez Faire Capitalist Creatology"- (i.e., a manifesto of a radical, new artistic and scientific religion, based on the "Science of the Creative Process"). It is a non-mystical, rational religion.

In 1979, I acquired a "Peiltochterkompass" (German, for "polar-daughter - [i.e., "slave"] compass"), a crude, 1943, WW II-vintage, German navigational device (the earliest type of celestial guidance system), which was interconnected to a "master compass" (a gyrocompass oriented to the North Pole). It triggered bi-polar pairs of electrodes in the hull of the "KT-p2".

"Peiltochterkompass" [German, for "polar-daughter (i.e., 'slave' compass)], a crude, 1943, WW II-vintage, German navigational device (the earliest type of celestial guidance system), which was interconnected to a "master compass" (a gyrocompass oriented to the North Pole). It triggered bi-polar pairs of electrodes in the hull of the "KT-p2" ["KT" is for "Kreisel-Teller" [German, for "Gyrating Plate"], and "p2" is the electronic designation for an "oscillating electromagnetic dipole") to Germany, after 1937.

They have been discovered at Sandia Labs, manufactured by AEG and Siemens. But amazingly, the Hakenkreuz on the instrument is not - it is a Thule Sonnenrad symbol that would not be found on a Luftwaffe aircraft nor on the V-2 rockets captured by General George S. Patton. What use would the Luftwaffe have for celestial guidance unless they were operating an electromagnetic field which made a magnetic compass useless? This was an SS instrument for Thule/Vril disc technology.

The flying saucer and its scientific principle, is the world's greatest invention, which mankind has been denied the benefits of for over fifty years, by the coercive monopolists, through government harassment, murder, secrecy, misinformation, hoax and other deceits.

It is now time to end this hoax upon the American people by their own government, and to end corporate-socialism and tax-slavery, and to return power to the individual. It is time for creative mankind to remove this yoke from its neck, and to move forward with a truly new world order of creative, laissez-faire capitalist civilization, with a free flow of beneficially creative ideas, associations, and products among mankind, in a peaceful world, peopled by creative, free, autonomous and self-sufficient individuals, whose bounty can provide for all. We have nothing to lose except stupidity.

NOW LET IT BE KNOWN that those who are responsible for what I am now saying, are supported by pillars of lies, and have set a philosophical wrecking ball into motion, which will eventually smash down their own foundations.

On Third Reich Flying Saucers, German Physics, and the Perpetuum Mobile

German Secret Weapons of World War 2 by Rudolf Lusar:

Flying saucers have been whirling round the world since 1947, suddenly turning up here and there, soaring in and darting off again at unprecendented speed with flames encircling the rim of the saucer's disc. They have been located by radar, pursued by fighters and yet nobody so far succeeded in establishing the existence of such a "flying saucer" or managed to ram or shoot one down.

Experts and collaborators in this work confirm that the first projects, called "flying discs", were undertaken in 1941. The designs for these "flying discs" were drawn up by the German experts Schriever, Habermohl, and Miethe, and the Italian Bellonzo. Habermohl and Schriever chose a wide-surface ring which rotated round a fixed, cupola-shaped cockpit

. . . Within three minutes they climbed to an altitute of 12,400 m. and reache a speed of 2,000 km/hr in horizontal flight(!). It was intended ultimately to achieve speeds of 4,000 km./hr.

. . . existing models were destroyed but the plant in Breslau where Miethe worked fell into the hands of the Russians who took all the material and experts to Siberia, where work on these "flying saucers" is being successfully continued. . .Schriever escaped from Prague in time; Habermohl, however, is probably in the Soviet Union, as nothing is know of this fate. The former designer Miethe is in the United States and, as far as is known, is building "flying saucers" for the United States and Canada at the A. V. Roe works.

. .Years ago, the US Air Force received orders not to fire at "flying saucers". . . diameters of 16, 42, 45, and 75 m. and speeds of 7,000 km/hr.

In 1952, "flying saucers" were definitely established over Korea and Press reports said they were seen also during the NATO manoeuvres in Alsace in the Autumn of 1954.

Major Gordon Cooper, one of the original Mercury astronauts and the last American to fly in space alone in 1951 had sighted UFOs while piloting an F-86 Sabre jet over Western Germany. They were metallic, saucer-shaped discs at considerable altitude and could out-maneuver all American fighter planes. He knows many pilots who witnessed UFOs. He heard Air Force personnel tell him they have filmed the landing of a UFO. [NASA report SP-12, page 53, October 3, 1962]

Major Cooper testified of this before the United Nations:

I believe that these extra-terrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets... Most astronauts were reluctant to discuss UFOs.

I did have occasion in 1951 to have two days of observation of many flights of them, of different sizes, flying in fighter formation, generally from east to west over Europe.

It may be true that Lusar was a German officer during the war, but he was not in the Luftwaffe, and his information on flying discs was limited on a "need to know basis", so he really didn't have any information beyond the general appearances of the ships. Lusar's knowledge and speculations were based on conventional jet-propulsion technology already generally known to the public by the time he wrote his books, and the "boundary layer" technology, which was strictly aerodyne technology, of Prandtl and later Coanda, was also declassified early on, showing that it had nothing whatsoever to do with REAL flying disc technology. The secret agencies have declassified NOTHING relating to true, electro-propulsive flying ship technology, including any historical origins, theories, or related developments which might lead investigators to the real technology. I was able to piece the technology together during over 50 years of research, during which I saw electro-propulsive flying saucers up close (300' maximum distance), in broad daylight, with many witnesses. I was able to discover Tesla's secret primarily by reference to papers published prior to 1900, supplanted by remarks and tidbits leaked through news paper, book, archive and magazine material since then. I combined this with numerous information gleaned from numerous personal contacts and experiences to come up with the complete picture. I have pieced together the major substance of Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity, which was completed by Tesla in 1893-94, which was never published by him, and which is still classified by the U.S. government, because in the theory lies the secrets of the electro-propulsive technology.

The persons Lusar named, such as Miethe, Schriever, etc., etc., were primarily aerodyne DESIGNERS, not inventors of the technology. This was particularly true of the Italian, Belluzo. The aerodyne projects (based on aerodynamics and jet-propulsion, or in the case of Habermohl's Flügelrad, heliocopter technology combined with rotating jet-propulsion pods) were for misinformational purposes, because the Germans had already acquired the far superior electro-propulsive technology of Nikola Tesla, as early as 1934 insofar as I have been able to determine, and tested the technology at Los Alamos, New Mexico, in a secret project called "p2", between 1936-38, under the direction of Wernher von Braun, who had come to New Mexico on the invitation of the American Rocket Society, the Smithsonian, and the Simon and Florence Guggenheim foundations, to work with Dr. Robert Goddard, at his laboratory at Mescalero, New Mexico, with a test range at Eden Valley. Tesla apparently agreed to work in the German project, after he had offered the technology to the U.S. government on several occasions, and was treated like a lunatic. He was led into the project under the idea that it was "for peace" and "all mankind".

In late 1945, General George Patton made a deep penetration beyond Russian lines to Peenemünde, to retrieve or destroy all the electric disc technology, rocket technology, and related technology, so the Russians wouldn't get it---at least from that source---and among the things found by Patton, was 200 celestial guidance systems for German flying discs, which were stored deep underground in a salt cave. Patton was ordered to destroy the systems, which really made him mad, but he didn't know that our intelligence and the corporations already had all the duplicate files on these weapons and developments. The Germans had around two large stashes of these files, and we got them both. This trip by Patton---in which saucer-hunting intelligence officers posed as tank commanders---has now been completely purged from all war histories available to the public, and the entire incident classified, although I read about it in 1957, and discussed it with my co-workers in Air Force Intelligence. In 1979, as detailed in my book, PENTAGON ALIENS (1999) (the third edition of Space Aliens From the Pentagon), I acquired a Peiltochterkompass ("polar slave compass), which was brought to Sandia Base, New Mexico, with some of the electro-propulsive German saucers after the war. This device is one-half of one of the celestial (inertial) guidance systems which Patton found in the Peenemünde salt cave.

I was personal friends with a rocket pioneer, Peter van Dresser, who was angry about Goddard's sharing of his rocket technology with von Braun, and considered him a traitor. Van Dresser's technology antedates that of von Braun and Goddard. His solid-fueled rockets outperformed all theirs until the liquid fuel technology was finally improved by Goddard and later by von Braun at Peenemünde. Van Dresser also knew of the early project which von Braun participated in at Los Alamos, which I later unearthed physical evidence of. The fact that von Braun was in New Mexico after Hitler and Himmler had commissioned him and promoted him to project leader at Peenemünde, and the chief professor of all rocket research in the Third Reich, has been carefully hidden from the American people and the world, because of the embarrassing truth, that Goddard's technology (and van Dresser's mathematical formula, called "Van Dresser's Constant") were used to fire thousands of rockets into Belgium and England. The reported performance characteristics are mere hearsay. Meanwhile, at Peenemünde, where the REAL "flying disc" project was being carried out, in addition to special projects nearby, Wernher von Braun and associates were building and testing ships which were exclusively electrically propelled, based on technology developed and tested by Nikola Tesla in 1894, et. seq.

The ironic thing in all of this is that the greatest rocket genius the Germans had, Willi Ley, was the original invitee to work with Goddard (and to conduct the secret p2 project), but Ley realized already (in 1934) that there was going to be a war, and he didn't want to be on the wrong side. Ley was also Germany's greatest microwave expert, something which made him ideal for the work on the discs. He defected, took out American citizenship papers in 1937, and married a Russian ballerina in New York City, named Olga Feldman. He then worked as a science writer until 1944, when the U.S. government finally hired him under the auspices of the Burke Aircraft Corporation in Georgia, which then took up residence at College Park, Md., to begin the first American electro-propulsive flying disc project, which had come to the government's attention due to allied encounters with the electro-propulsive discs over Germany. After Ley was lost by Germany, Dr. Heinz Fischer became the head microwave expert. Fischer was later employed at Wright-Patterson A.F.B., working on electro-propulsive American versions of the German discs after the war.

I personally viewed the gun-camera film taken of the small, manned, German electro-propulsive ships which were encountered in the night time B-17 G bombing raids over the ball bearing factories at Schweinfurt (around 1943 or 1944). The reel of film I viewed was the original film taken by some of my co-workers, since my intelligence outfit was the original 8th A.F. group which was in charge of the intelligence in those raids. Some of my co-workers rode as observers and some manned cameras, as the gun-crews tried in vain to shoot the "foo-fighters", which travelled in spirals around the bombers, at speeds well over 1,000 mph. It was clear that the ships were electro-propulsive, because of the profuse corona discharges, while the windshields through which the pilots could be seen, glinted in the sparkling light produced by the corona.

The aerodyne technology is now being used to conceal the electro-propulsive technology, just as the Nazis used it during the war. Lusar was under the control of the post-war censors at the time he published his books, and couldn't have revealed the true technology even if he'd known about it.

I hope this information is useful in understanding that the technology is not aerodynamic. The saucer I saw in 1953, performed two absolutely square turns at over 200 mph and accelerated to perhaps 25,000 mph in three seconds, on a bee-line for Ft. Bliss, Texas, where von Braun was brought in 1945, as the new chief of U.S. Army ordnance. The Peenemünde project was under ordnance, and they considered the flying saucer as ordnance.

The secrecy of this technology benefits the old-money oligarchs who control the economy and politics of the world, is a detriment to mankind, and even Edward Teller agrees with me on this issue.

~William R. Lyne

ARE UFOs CREATED BY HUMANS?

By Richard Vizzutti

I'm sure that you have read about a scientist named Nikola Tesla. It was his work in science that had brought about modern day UFOs. He and Viktor Schauberger were the superstars of this new flying disc technology. In WWll, the Nazi's had relied heavily on Tesla's research to create what bomber pilots called "Foo Fighters," or "Kraut Balls." When trying to bomb the Rhine land, these glowing objects would fly right up to the bombers at incredible speeds never seen before or imagined. These Foo Fighters had an ability to screw up their radar so that the American pilots would have to call off the mission. After they were out of the area, the "balls of coloured lights" would suddenly take off on their merry way. This is all well documented and there are even some photos that exist today.

The following is from an article called UFOs Alien or Man Made written by Al Pinto.

Maybe these craft are some secret government project. There is a lot of evidence indicating this which dates back to WWII. There is a report by Marshall Yarrow, then the Reuters special correspondent to Supreme H.Q. in liberated Paris. This article was published in the South Wales Argus on December 13, 1944. It stated:

The Germans have produced a 'secret' weapon in keeping with the Christmas season. The new device, which is apparently an air defence weapon, and resembles the glass balls that adorn Christmas trees. They have been seen hanging in the air over German territory,sometimes singly, sometimes in clusters. They are coloured silver and are apparently transparent.

Another article regarding the German's secret craft was released by the Associated Press in the New York Herald Tribune dated January 2, 1945 . It said:

Now, it seems, the Nazis have thrown something new into the night skies over Germany. It is the weird, mysterious 'Foo Fighter' balls which race alongside the wings of fighters flying intruder missions over Germany.

Pilots have been encountering this eerie weapon for more than a month in their night flights. No one apparently knows what this sky weapon is. The balls of fire appear suddenly and accompany the planes for miles. They seem to be radio controlled from the ground, so official intelligence reports reveal...

So why didn't the Nazi's win the war with the new Foo Fighter technology? Well just like the German V-2 Rockets and the new Nazi jets, time had run out. The allies were moving in and the war was being end. Hitler pleaded with the German people to hang on for just two more months so that he release a new technology of "super weapons." Well as you know, time did in fact run out.

When the allies moved in they began to plunder all the new super technology. America began to be the benefactors of this new technology when the war ended in 1945. Two years later in 1947, Kenneth Arnold a pilot sees high speed flying discs. He said they moved like a saucer skipping on water thus the age of "Flying Saucers" was born.

One scientist responsible for the Nazi flying saucers was Viktor Schauberger. With Tesla's work in hand he began to create new and different designs. After the Soviets had taken what the Americans had left behind in Schauberger's apartment in Leonstein, the Soviets then bombed his apartment. After this there was a rumour that Schauberger had gone on to work on a top secret project for the U.S. Government in Texas.

In the early Fifties science was suddenly geared into "anti-gravity" research. Many experiments with flying discs were taking place. Some results were being talked about in science magazines and news papers. Then suddenly in the late 50's the hammer of silence fell. All grant money was being cut off and the media instantly became mute on the subject of this new technology that now had to go underground. It even got to a point where a large number of scientists were falling victim to strange accidents. Schauberger himself had died of ill health. On his deathbed he declared that, "They took everything from me. Everything. I don't even own myself. “When flying saucers had been photographed during flaps, upon seeing them, Schauberger had made it clear that someone out there was using his designs.

In 1947 when Kenneth Arnold spotted the UFOs, the air force was placed on red alert and quickly dispatched. The reason given was that the American government thought it was a new attack by the Nazis and their Foo Fighters. Photographs and blueprints of Nazi discs now started to appear. In one photo, the German cross can be clearly seen. In another you can see a German tank cannon attached to the underside of the craft.

Before the hammer of media silence fell, A Canadian news paper, the Toronto Star, (February 11. 1953 ) began to report on the new technology being produced by Avro a Canadian company. The paper had revealed that Avro was working on a "Flying Saucer" that could "climb straight up in the air." (This is not to be confused with the Avro Car which was shaped liked a flying saucer." The source of information for this eye opening article was C.D. Howe Minister of defence production.

By April 21st 1953 , The Toronto Star had stated that Field Marshall Montgomery had witnessed a demonstration of the new Avro Flying Saucer and declared the demonstration as being "fantastic."

Again on Movember 1st 1955, the Star had another article that had stated, "A mock-up of the Canadian flying saucer. The highly secret aircraft in whose existence few believe, was yesterday shown to a group of American experts, including military officers and scientists." Why were the Americans there? According to the papers, the Canadian government was planning to form entire squadrons of flying saucers for the defence of Alaska.

So why hasn't the government made known this new revolutionary technology. Why, is because one of the other effects that the anti-gravity devices produce is massive amounts of electricity, hundreds of thousands of volts! This is known as "free energy." This kind of electricity is broadcasted out and so does not need wires of any kind. This is why quite often when "UFOs" are seen in an area, all the appliances in a household magically come on.

The world is run by a few super rich people that have untold wealth. At the very heart of this wealth is oil, "black gold." If free energy technology was to be used by the public, these rich elites would stand to loose trillions of dollars in lost revenue. Over night the technology of jets, planes, cars, trains, manufacturing, and space flight would become obsolete. NASA's pork space projects would come to an end. The Military Industrial Complex would take massive revenue losses. The lost revenue from NASA, the defence companies, and the entire Military Industrial Complex, oil and gas companies, and electric companies would dry up considerably. In other words, free energy would kill the golden goose.

Imagine this. For pennies man could fly to the moon in flying discs. **** Tax payers would no longer foot the bill for huge expenses, kick backs and over-pricing in NASA and the military. **** No longer would the public be fleeced by the Military Industrial Complex to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars. ***** International bankers too have a major share of this cash cow and would stand to loose massive amounts of money, never mind the auto industries. People could run their cars, heat their homes, and travel very cheaply. Paying for energy would almost be a thing of the past. Lightning produces hundreds of millions of volts of electricity from the air itself and has no need of dams, cable, ground stations, electric companies, etc. **** The crux of this international plot is too keep us convinced that energy comes from fossil fuels. This propaganda creates a world that suffers from an "artificial need" for oil that allows the elites to be very rich and very powerful. "He who has the gold rules."

So what does the government do with these flying saucers. Right now they are being built and stored all over the world. Cold Lake Alberta in Canada has an underground manufacturing plant much like America has with it's Area 51 in Nevada. Right now the elites are trying to bring about a New World Order. The New World Order is a one world government set up under the United Nations with a new world dictator acting as commander and chief. The foundation of power for this Reich is already in place. Now they just have to convince the people to relinquish all their constitutional rights and surrender to the New World Order. Most people are not willing to do this as they see the New World Order as a threat to their way of life. This is why Militia memberships are at an all time high and growing everyday.*** So how does the flying saucer technology fit in to all this?

*** Today America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing that man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government.

~ Henry Kissinger 1991

Remember how President Ronald Reagan had stated that if we were attacked by a power from outer space the world would then unite into one? In 1985 President Reagan told Mikhail Gorbachev at a Geneva summit meeting that:.

I couldn't help but say to him, just how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from another species from another planet outside in the universe. We'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries and we would find out once and for all that we really are all human beings here on the Earth together.

~Reuters, "Reagan Images Star Wars", International Herald Tribune, Paris, December 5, 1985.

The Soviets and the democracies will adopt the best characteristics of each other and, in the process of many years, there will not be a strict line of demarcation between their ideals; therefore no causes for war between them...because of the the developments of science all the countries on earth will have to unite to survive and make a common front against attack by people from other planets.

~New York Times "M'Arthur Greets Mayor of Naples," October 8, 1955.

It's interesting to note here how he uses the word "people" from other planets and not the word creatures or aliens. Does he use the word people because he feels that they will look so much like us? Will they in fact be human pilots. Aliens from the Pentagon so to speak.

On January 7th, 1948 a UFO was spotted in Kentucky and Three F-51 Mustang fighter planes under the command of Captain Thomas Mantel gave chase. Two of the planes had to turn back as Mantel continued in hot pursuit. Unfortunately Captain Mantel's radio degraded to a point where it became silent. The next morning the wreckage of his fighter plane was found strewn all all over the ground. According to Renato Vesco and David Childress authors of "Man Made UFOs 1944-1994," Mantel's last words over the radio were, "My God! There are men in it!" Perhaps aliens from planet earth?

As I have stated, the whole foundation to this new world government is now in place. It's no longer a question of how, but a question of when. What's needed now is for the elite government to release all the man-made UFOs so that people will be convinced that we are being invaded from another world. But first the masses have to be prepared psychologically for for this event.

Right now there is a massive media frenzy about UFOs as well as NASA claiming to have found evidence of life on mars. Movies like Independence Day and TV shows such as Dark Skies are spreading the message that Aliens are hostile and will stop at nothing to in order to conquer us all. Timed to go with this propaganda blitz is the Roswell Anniversary. With Roswell they are trying to convince us that an alien ship crashed landed in the Nevada desert killing all the aliens aboard. Myth has it that the alien bodies have been kept under lock and key by the American government. Through Roswell, the government is trying to make it appear that they have a captured alien UFO. If you study the CIA and how they operate, you will soon discover how very good they are at creating myths.

So why the myth that the government is hiding the fact that they have a captured UFO? Well it's for two reasons. One is to convince people that there really is life out there. The other reason is that when all of a sudden we see all these UFOs hovering over the city to scare us in to a New World Order, other UFOs (our UFOs) will suddenly appear in the skies to fight in a mock battle.

So how will the American government explain the sudden emergence of this "new" UFO technology that comes out of nowhere? They will say, "Yes folks. The Roswell incident was true. It's also true that we have been "back-engineering" a captured craft in area Area 51. The crafts that you see with the American flags painted on them belong to us and from the Area 51 development centre. This will act as a perfect explanation as to why all of a sudden we have our own UFOs to fight back with. This phony war will be a sure propaganda victory a New World Order Dictator. According to the Bible, it says, "...and they worshipped the beast; and they worshipped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him? And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. And all who dwell on the earth will worship him..." Revelation 13:5 NKJ

No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation.

~ David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, (a United Nations World government group)

As history has taught us, the Nazis were an occult party that created a New Age movement called Nazism, and according to the Bible, history is about to repeat itself! In closing I would like to say that Bob Lazar (a famous Area 51 whistle blower) has claimed on film that one of the UFO's he had seen in Area 51 had an American flag on it. Need I say anymore?

We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.

~ James P. Warburg.

The time of an alien invasion will not come unless the foundation be laid first. First we had a mind conditioning experiment known as the radio show War of the Worlds (October 30, 1938) It was a radio re-enactment of the book by the same name by Illuminati insider H.G.Wells. It was about a full-all-out alien invasion. This was the start of the CIA mind control conditioning of the masses.

Now that this brick was laid it was then time for what the CIA call Legend Building. It is when you create a psychological template for all generations to remember. It is like a great statue placed in the center of town to continually remind people. But this town is the mind of the general public. This statue became known as Roswell. On July 2nd in 1947 a flying saucer allegedly crashed and the American government hid the fact that so called alien bodies had been recovered.

Let us not forget the ultimate mind conditioner of all time known as Hollywood. The 1950s saw a huge release of many movies depicting earth as being attacked by aliens from another planet. They looked monstrous and evil as they threatened the future of earth.

Now enter television. With it came Star Trek that would then lead the way in conditioning people to think about other forms of life. Then years later Hollywood released Star Wars. This movie clearly showed how all life forms can come together and form alliances with friendly life forms so that they can take on the Evil Empire.

As we speak television is saturated not only with shows on aliens, but also satanism. The final phase of the New Age is for the satanist /new agers to come out of the closet and indoctrinate the public to hidden occult truths. Here is a quote from the Cutting Edge:

We consider this movie to be just one more instance where secrets which have been carefully kept within secret societies for centuries are now suddenly being widely publicized to a public less well informed and more in tune with the values and attitudes of the occult. Since the objective of Antichrist is to restore the worship of Lucifer to public practice, we should not be too surprised to see one occult secret after another and one occult symbol after another, suddenly revealed to the public. Listen to the Satanic plan for Antichrist (Great One) to restore the Luciferian Mysteries to public worship.

... the Masonic Fraternity...is...the home of the Mysteries, and the seat of the initiation...It is a far more occult organization than can be realized and is intended to be the training school for the coming advanced occultists... When the Great One comes with His disciples and initiates, we shall have the restoration of the Mysteries..." "("Externalisation of the Hierarchy").. In other words, the Great One, the Anti-Christ will restore the ancient Mysteries, which the Masonic Lodge has preserved these many centuries, as his New World Order Religion. [ATKHWDI Note: see http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bi...gi?ArtNum=84138&Disp=6#C6 ]

Alice Bailey states this truth more succinctly:

There is no question, therefore, that the work to be done in familiarising the general public with the nature of the Mysteries is of paramount importance at this time. These Mysteries will be restored to outer expression through the medium of the Church and the Masonic Fraternity ... When the Great One comes with His disciples and initiates we shall have ... the restoration of the Mysteries and their exoteric presentation as a consequence of the first initiation.

Did you catch that phrase? At the end of the preparatory period leading to the New World Order, Freemasons are to take the lead in "familiarising the general public with the nature of the Mysteries!"

Now before you can have a so called alien invasion, you have to get the masses to believe that there is life out there on other planets. But how can there be life out there since there is no water? Have no fear NASA has now come forwarded with clues that there is in fact water out there. If you have water then you can have aliens. Now if you have aliens you can now have a final interglalatic war.

NASA has released some pictures that shows what appears to be water on Mars. Is it any coincidence that now being released is the remake movie called War of the Worlds where we are all attacked by aliens from Mars.

Some may say that no one takes this alien invasion stuff seriously. Well more than a few prominent leaders have taken it very seriously. Here are just a few quotes.

Today America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing that man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the world government.

-Henry Kissinger 1991

Remember how President Ronald Reagan had stated that if we were attacked by a power from outer space the world would then unite into one? In 1985 President Reagan told Mikhail Gorbachev at a Geneva summit meeting that:

I couldn't help but say to him , just how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from another species from another planet outside in the universe. We'd forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries and we would find out once and for all that we really are all human beings here on the Earth together.

-Reuters, "Reagan Imagins Star Wars," International Herald Tribune, Paris, Dec. 5th, 1985

The Soviets and the democracies will adopt the best characteristics of each other and, in the process of many years, there will not be a strict line of demarcation between their ideals; therefore no causes for war between them...because of the developments of science all the countries on earth will have to unite to survive and make a common front against attack by people from other planets.

-New York Times "M'Arthur Greets Mayor of Naples," Oct. 8, 1955

It's interesting to note here how he uses the word "people" from other planets and not the word "creatures" or "aliens." Does he use the word people because he feels that they will look so much like us? Will they in fact be human pilots. Aliens from the Pentagon so to speak.

So what is the agenda behind all this? Well we have David Icke inform us that the governments of this world have been taken over by Reptilian Demons, but.this is is not new information. It is old information repackaged, popularized, and made more acceptable to the public. **** The "bad aliens" have already taken over according to Mr. Icke. What we see in the War of the Worlds movie trailer is "They are already here."

Now enter Zechariah Sitchin who promotes the idea that **** the "good aliens" (that created us) are on their way back to earth. They are called **** the Anunnaki and referred to as the Elohim (God). Their arrival according to many is imminent. It is not hard to imagine that **** we will be manipulated into forming an alliance with the Anunnaki to overthrow the bad Reptilian aliens that have taken over the governments and leaders of our world.

Very soon from now trouble will erupt in the Middle East. All the nations of the world will begin to come against Israel, and we will all be on nuclear alert as the end will close in. Or will it? Now enter the Anunnaki gods to save us. According to the Angel Scroll parchments, at that moment, "thousands of sun discs" will come down from the skies over Israel to save her and the rest of the world from nuclear extinction. They will come to bring forth a new age of peace and safety. But like the Nazis, it will be peace justified by and enforced by a new world fascist state. There will be no stopping this alien government as they will go out destroying all opposition in the name of world dictatorship.

greyfalcon.us/Space%20Ali...From%20The%20Pentagon.htm

More Propaganda:

Larry King Vid of UFO taking out missile....disclosure continues, this is legit...

http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=84102

I couldn't view the video, but I highly suspect the "UFO" was using an eloctromagnetic pulse "death ray" type technology based on Nikola Tesla's work.

I'll believe the Bible before I'll believe the product of Jewish fables that have been warned against for 2,000 years, and which Bible has proved far and away more accurate than said fables.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Tts/Tts001.html#14

I think you've been had.

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-07-24   16:24:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

2. The American government helped the Nazis steal the invention from Tesla (who hated the Nazis),and by 1937, the Nazis were secretly developing it at Los Alamos, New Mexico (then called the "p2" project), under the direction of the Baron Wernher von Braun, who also collaborated in rocket research with Dr. Robert Goddard at Roswell, funded by the American Rocket Society (The Smithsonian Institution and the Guggenheim Foundation).

1937? or 47?

Lod  posted on  2008-07-24   16:36:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: FormerLurker (#10)

I couldn't view the video, but I highly suspect the "UFO" was using an eloctromagnetic pulse "death ray" type technology based on Nikola Tesla's work.

Or maybe even NASA/Hollywood "virtual reality":

NASA's Hanky-Panky: Virtual Reality Technology ......The aim is to end Biblical Creationism ... www.fixedearth.com/nasas_hanky-panky.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-07-24   16:38:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#10)

We currently do not have the technology for craft to execute instantaneous 90 degree course changes at speeds of over 1000 mph. Witnesses back in the 50's reported such manuevers.

Friends of mine witnessed such a thing over an ocean, observing from the shore.

Have you ever read about Ezechiel's "vision"?

Have you ever read the following verse in Genesis?

After the sons of God took human wives there were giants in the Earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became the mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The Nefilim were upon the Earth, in those days and thereafter too, when the sons of the gods cohabitated with the daughters of the Adam, and they bore children unto them. They were the mighty ones of Eternity - the people of the shem.'


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-24   16:40:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#12)

What do you suppose these things are?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-07-24   16:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: gengis gandhi (#0) (Edited)

Maybe the "aliens" are here to help the 9/11 space-beamers sell their zionist dreck. Beamers sure could use some help.

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[James Gourley:] “Judy Wood stated[77] that she believes… [that] space beams [reflected] off the buildings and somehow end up burning the cars on a bridge seven blocks away from the WTC complex…"

nobody  posted on  2008-07-24   16:51:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: lodwick (#11) (Edited)

2. The American government helped the Nazis steal the invention from Tesla (who hated the Nazis),and by 1937, the Nazis were secretly developing it at Los Alamos, New Mexico (then called the "p2" project), under the direction of the Baron Wernher von Braun, who also collaborated in rocket research with Dr. Robert Goddard at Roswell, funded by the American Rocket Society (The Smithsonian Institution and the Guggenheim Foundation).

1937? or 47?

My father saw a "UFO" during the Battle of the Bulge

Battle of the Bulge — Date: 16 December 1944 – 25 January 1945

so, for me, it had to be have been before '47.

see below:

"...."Who was George Scherff? [george scherff jr. = ghwbush, sr.]

Who was George Scherff? Better yet, who was George H. Scherff, Sr.? There exists no legitimate record of a George H. Scherff being born in the U.S. from the late-1800s through 1925, yet, George Scherff was Nikola Tesla’s assistant/accountant. If he was born in Germany, could his birthplace shed some light on this mystery? Probably—if they exist (it has become apparent that individuals associated with the Nazi Party commonly have all or parts of their genealogical records expunged—we will explore this further in the section of this article dealing with the “Bush” family tree).

Otto Skorzeny: S.S./ODESSA/CIA master spy and assassin

Friends and acquaintances of Nikola Tesla recall him complaining about Scherff’s son, George, Jr., always snooping around Tesla’s lab. On more than one occasion **** (probably during the late 1930s), Tesla caught the 14-year old Scherff looking at his notes, poring through his books, and stealing small items from his lab. Tesla gave him the nickname, “Curious George” and likened him to a “mischievous monkey.” According to Skorzeny, (Adolph Hitler’s former bodyguard) in a deathbed confession to Eric “Orion” (Eric Berman) in S. Miami, Florida, Tesla, “hated the younger Scherff.” In fact, according to Skorzeny, the “Curious George” book and movie were inspired by Tesla’ s suggestion.

Curiously, the day before the national theatrical release of the Hollywood production of the Curious George feature length film, Alan Shalleck, the originator of Curious George (and the man in the Yellow hat), was found murdered under a pile of plastic garbage bags in his driveway in Florida at age 76. [13]

In short, Otto Skorzeny claimed that the true identity of George H.W. Bush was “George H. Scherff, Jr., the son of Nikola Tesla’s illegal-immigrant, German-born accountant, George H. Scherff, Sr.” ......

....By late December of 1942, Tesla began meeting with two U.S. government agents in order to share some of his most sensitive discoveries. These men carried away many of his documents for microfilming.”

“On January 4, 1943, Tesla’s faithful assistant, George Scherff, visited Tesla for the last time, Tesla was found deceased in his hotel room on the morning of January 8. 1943. He had passed away between those four days since Scherff’s visit.”

The article continued, “Following Tesla’s death the United States Office of Alien Property, under the instructions of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, confiscated all of Tesla’s papers and property. This was an interesting maneuver considering that Tesla was a United States citizen.”

The significance of this benign description of Tesla’s inventions and his last days has a direct relationship to the previously unknown claims of Otto Skorzeny. As Skorzeny described (to Berman) in detail his involvement with George H. W. Bush (George H. Scherff, Jr.) in organizing the CIA by absorbing Nazi S.S. agents,” he intimated that it was Reinhard Gehlen and himself who murdered Nikola Tesla on January 6, 1943 by strangulation/suffocation.

Prior to the murder, Skorzeny and Gehlen “spoke in great detail to Tesla about his most-advanced technologies and then stole the blueprints of his best, most-secret inventions.”

Were these the “two U.S. government agents” about whom Dustin Wallace wrote? ...."

http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20070405.htm

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-07-24   16:55:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: FormerLurker (#14)

What do you suppose these things are?

haven't a clue...can't do video, as i said before.

We currently do not have the technology for craft to execute instantaneous 90 degree course changes at speeds of over 1000 mph. Witnesses back in the 50's reported such manuevers.

trying to remember what site i read about the man [there were two actually, one died] who made their own 'flying saucers' who could do what you suggest, if i remember correctly, and may even have transcended time...that was quite a few months back, and they may have killed him by now, but i'll see if i can dig it up.

Have you ever read about Ezechiel's "vision"?

Have you ever read the following verse in Genesis?

After the sons of God took human wives there were giants in the Earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became the mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The Nefilim were upon the Earth, in those days and thereafter too, when the sons of the gods cohabitated with the daughters of the Adam, and they bore children unto them. They were the mighty ones of Eternity - the people of the shem.'

did you ever read the rest of the story? God destroyed them.

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Gen/Gen006.html#2

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Gen/7/23.html

did you ever read Revelation 20:7-8?

http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Rev/Rev020.html#8

"...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-07-24   17:21:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Original_Intent, gengis gandhi, buckeye, christine, TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, Rotara, CadetD, Cynicom, Peppa, Tom007, lodwick, all (#8)

As historian, writer, and documentarian James Burke put it: "What you see is determined by what you know, and when that changes everything changes." Anyone wanting to see how this works need merely watch his documentary program series "The Day The Universe Changed"


"Nothing looks more like a controlled demolition than a controlled demolition." ~ Prof. James Fetzer

wudidiz  posted on  2008-07-24   18:14:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: wudidiz, gengis gandhi, buckeye, christine, TwentyTwelve, James Deffenbach, FormerLurker, Rotara, CadetD, Cynicom, Peppa, Tom007, lodwick, all (#18)

Thank you very much for the link. I was not aware it was available online.

Anyone who has not seen this I HIGHLY HIGHLY reccomend it. It is very well done, very entertaining, and very mind expanding.

A couple other good ones are "CONNECTIONS" and "CONNECTIONS II". Both done by James Burke.

Another really good one, available on DVD, is "IN SEARCH OF THE TROJAN WAR". It is just fun history and again underscores how the "Authorities" are vested interests and it is up to you to think for yourself.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-24   19:07:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Original_Intent (#19)

A couple other good ones are "CONNECTIONS" and "CONNECTIONS II". Both done by James Burke.

Loved those shows!


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-24   19:12:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: farmfriend (#20)

I love James Burke. He has a love of knowledge, the ability to communicate, and a desire to raise up other people. His programs are treasures. It is what PBS used to be before it was taken over and subverted into just another avenue for programming people to believe what they are told to believe.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-24   19:32:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: Original_Intent (#21)

PBS = Programed Bull Shit!


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-24   19:35:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: farmfriend (#22)

PBS = Programed Bull Shit!

Predictable Broadcast Soma

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-07-24   19:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: farmfriend, Dakmar (#22)

PBS = Programed Bull Shit!

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Predictable Broadcast Soma

I think you're both right.

One of the giveaways to me was what was done with the Program "Mystery!". Mysteries encourage active thought and problem solving - looking beyond the surface. So, "Mystery!" encouraged that kind of thinking. That is why it had to be killed. First they took it off "on hiatus" for a year and then removed it from the Thursday night time slot it had held for 20 years and put it on late Sunday night where only the most dedicated watchers can see it.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-24   19:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Original_Intent (#24)

Oh man, that was one of the better programs. I used to watch that back when I lived with the folks and we had 3 networks and PBS.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-24   19:51:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Original_Intent (#24)

LOL, I used to get the occasional Homicide:Life On The Street jones until I bought all eight seasons on DVD.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-07-24   19:52:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: farmfriend (#25)

Oh man, that was one of the better programs. I used to watch that back when I lived with the folks and we had 3 networks and PBS.

I still remember when I first started watching it in the mid 80's. "Good Evening and welcome to Mystery - My name is Vincent Price ...."

Diana Rigg was an acceptable replacement when age caught up with VP and the series continued on.

The Sherlock Holmes stories with "Jeremy Brett" as Sherlock Holmes were the closest to Holmes as he was in the original stories as anyone has gotten.

Then there was of course "Horace Rumpole of The Bailey" and "Morse".

Yes, those were what TV could be but rarely is.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-24   20:11:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Dakmar (#26)

LOL, I used to get the occasional Homicide:Life On The Street jones until I bought all eight seasons on DVD.

I gave up on TV a long time ago and Mystery! was one of the few things that drew me back to the toob. With that mostly non-viable anymore I have, so far this year, watched about 4 hours of TV (not counting a few movies on DVD).

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-24   20:24:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Original_Intent (#28)

The Boob Tube let us down?

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-07-24   20:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Dakmar (#29)

The Boob Tube let us down?

I know. It's a shocker isn't it?

What with Madam Rockefucker running the Board of PBS you woulda' thunk we'd get some high level snobby stuff and instead it gets turned into a dumbed down disinfo channel.

Will wonders never cease.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-24   20:33:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Original_Intent (#30) (Edited)

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-07-24   20:38:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Dakmar (#29)

hey dak, whatcha been doin? missed you. ;)

christine  posted on  2008-07-24   21:36:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Original_Intent (#27)

"Morse".

You can still get that show. I've seen it recently. Really liked the character. The actor was an amputee.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-07-24   23:24:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Original_Intent (#8)

If we posit the existence of a "NWO" which wishes to establish a totalitarian society then any data which nullifies the conditioning regimen has to be suppressed in order to maintain "control".

OI,

Just in the a past few days, there was a show on the tube re: UFO's and the stories of the abductees, first of last century were Betty and Barney Hill. It was fascinating listening to the discussion over the suppression of UFO sightings, or government data. One said, that the only reason (to supress) he could imagine other than starting a full blown panic, was that world order had to be contained to manage political and religious 'structures'. To me, that ties with your comment about 'control'.

Also, it was curious that when Betty Hill was regressed, she said she asked the alien where he was from. The alien drew her a map. She was then asked to draw the map, and she did so. The star map matched nothing we knew in our skies, until about ten years later with improved technology, a woman who had maintained her curiousity actually located the star system which was so far from our planet, if we even had the ability to go there, it would take more than a million years.

I just did a quick search and there is bit out there about the Hill case star map.

www.kochkyborg.de/BBHill/hill0 3.htm

~We are not alone~ doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo doo-doo <--twilight zone music.

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-25   9:33:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: wudidiz (#18)

see how this works need merely watch his documentary program series "The Day The Universe Changed"

Cool. Thanks Wud.

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-25   9:40:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Original_Intent (#19)

and it is up to you to think for yourself.

How DARE YOU suggest such a thing! ;)

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-25   9:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Peppa (#36)

We are all programmed to some extent, the only difference being that some realize it, they are called self thinking people.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-07-25   9:48:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: Cynicom (#37)

We are all programmed to some extent, the only difference being that some realize it, they are called self thinking people.

I totally agree. And no one told me to say that. :)

Peppa  posted on  2008-07-25   9:56:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Peppa (#34)

One said, that the only reason (to supress) he could imagine other than starting a full blown panic, was that world order had to be contained to manage political and religious 'structures'. To me, that ties with your comment about 'control'.

Our, psychotic, would-be masters and mistresses seem to regard independence of thought and self determination as a threat to them and their plans. People who think freely in unapproved terms do not make good slaves. People who have risen to the level of awareness to know that they are not merely animate meat but spiritual beings, and that we most definitely are not alone, might begin "getting ideas" and who knows where that might lead?

It helps to read these people in their own writings so you can actually "get" their mindset. Not that any sane person would react the way they do or view other people as mere cattle to be used and slaughtered as their whim dictates. Its chilling stuff, but we have to "get it" or we are going to "get it".

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-25   11:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Peppa (#36)

and it is up to you to think for yourself.

How DARE YOU suggest such a thing! ;)

I know. What was I thinking?

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-07-25   11:04:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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