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Title: Obama, One Worlder Nutcase
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URL Source: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=138183
Published: Jul 24, 2008
Author: Obama (or his idiot speechwriters)
Post Date: 2008-07-24 20:30:29 by James Deffenbach
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Views: 1254
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Talking to a crowd in Germany, he said: "Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen -- a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world."
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Click on the link for the video.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I still can't understand why that nitwit is campaigning over there: the votes are HERE.
Like all good puppets he goes where he is told to go by his handler/puppeteer. And he will follow the orders of his master(s), just like McCain does. The only difference in them is their color--both of them are just establishment toadies.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Because we have dimwits here in America that look to Europe as 'enlightened' and believe that we should follow their example of an all powerful nanny state. No, thanks.
Germany was a mob of socialists welcoming one of their own to the power table. We haven't fallen yet boys and girls, and damn if we will.
He thinks he's some sort of messiah. Very dangerous nutcase.
Very dangerous nutcase. You are very right. At least McCain knows his limitations and attributes - he is a sold-out senile husband of a rich and pretty heiress.
These are the worst presidential nominees I've ever seen.
Yep.
Facts are he will be Americas next President which means Israel will attack Iran within the month.... Iran Faces `All Options' Over Atomic Work, Israeli General Says By Jonathan Ferziger July 24 (Bloomberg) -- Israel's top military commander said he told U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney and Pentagon officials that both countries must be ready to use force to stop Iran's nuclear development program if diplomacy fails. ``We all realize, both the Americans and us, that all options must be prepared,'' Lieutenant-General Gabi Ashkenazi said in an interview from Washington on Israel Radio. ``There is no doubt that diplomacy must be given priority.'' Ashkenazi, Israel's military chief of staff, is in Washington all week for talks with the U.S. on strategic cooperation amid escalating tensions with Iran. Iran test-fired a missile on July 9 that it said was capable of reaching Israel. U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said the next day that Iran will have to confront ``the power and capability of the United States'' if it attacks Israel. Ashkenazi said he met with Cheney and held talks with top military officials at the Pentagon. He is scheduled today to meet with Admiral Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Why the rush "to do" Iran now? Better to wait until T.H.E. Messiah assumes the WH throne what with an overwhelming win in the November elections. Then there were will be all those Obamaphile freedom fighters and/or their children and nephews and nieces waiting in the wings and so eager to respond to their hero's call to "National Service", ie fighting for Israel...ahem, I mean, America...in the desert sands of Iran...that can be a their "cakewalk" tour of military action before they are "re-deployed" to hunting OBL in the rugged mountains of Afghanistan and to liberating the genocided Darfurians and starving Zimbabians.
Everyone on s2's ping list: come back, you've been missed. You know this is going nowhere good.
Market about to implode and in the McCain camp it would be seen as a positive....
I have argued against ridiculous Obama attacks that only distract from valid ones. I have voluntarily stayed away as such argument was pointless. Things such as his vote for telecom immunity, for example, are very valid. Obama will likely win in November because Bush is a disaster, McCain is an inept campaigner reminiscent of Bob Dole, and the economy will largely drive the election against the party that has been in power. Had there been a Dem administration the past eight years, it would work the other way. For the general ballot, the electorate should probably identify the incumbents and vote for anyone else. What the electorate will do is return the vast majority of incumbents to office. Having gained another vote of approval from the electorate, they will carry on with the competition of seeing who can deliver the most pork. The competition between the Dems and GOP is akin to the competition between the AFC and NFC. The victor is temporary champion, but regardless of which it is, the corporate NFL sitting above, wins.
For the American neocon and Israeli warriors who advocate bombing Iran, the little provocation in South Ossetia at the start of the Olympics, with American- and Israeli-trained and Israeli-assisted Georgian troops, may be seen as a harbinger of the likely Russian response to a larger scale adventure in Iran. Call it a Russian Monroe doctrine. The Russian response appears to have been wildly underestimated by the nutcases who decided to start the South Ossetia crap. Israel should not plan on Russia being a passive bystander if they bomb Iran which also borders Russia.
Nice to see you back, despite past differences.
Call it a Russian Monroe doctrine. A good term for it. While I greatly understand why nations like Poland or Hungary would want NATO membership after their last 50 years of "relations" with Moscow; NATO has been much too brazen and in your face about it with Russia. Over the last 500 years most of Russia's miseries have marched in from the west, so it's no wonder that German and French NATO troops cruising around Poland on training manuvers upsets them to no end. On top of that you now have NATO control of Yugoslavia, which during the cold war was off limits to either side. The US in Iraq and Afghanistan, plus a desire to place troops in Iran. I'm not amazed that the Kremlin is starting to feel a bit boxed in. The Russian response appears to have been wildly underestimated by the nutcases who decided to start the South Ossetia crap. "Touch me and my big brother will beat you up!" I think Russia has multiple goals with their current war effort. The first, and this is just my opinion, is that Georgia would make an good base for US bombers to strike Iran. Hence, they wish to deny that to the US. Second, I think they are rubbing the Kosovo mess and their double standards on the issue in NATO's face.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
That's what we said last time..
Russia also has a long history of transporting and inflicting misery upon others. That is how they became the largest country in the world. Russia also sent two small fleets to the US during our Civil War. They were hiding from the French and Brits and showing support for Lincoln.
Russia does not border Iran.
Russia also wants higher oil prices. They have been falling as of late.
They share a recognized international border on what is called the Caspian Sea but which is recognized as a lake. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caspian_Sea
Ok. I was talking about land borders. I even went back and looked it up as I was pretty sure Russian and Iran didn't share a land border. Your point is taken.
Aren't they all?
Despite the puzzlement and disappointment of Obama's actions and statements re Israel, even taken all together they do not trump the WMD/Fear/War mantra of McCain's intentions for a Bush III administration.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Ico, I'll send you $100 dollars to be forwarded to the Obama campaign if you
can give me one solid reason we should become entangled in Afghanistan,
Obama's war of choice.
Point taken, but I think it's too late to vote for a lesser evil.
Jethro Tull: Ico, I'll send you $100 dollars to be forwarded to the Obama campaign if you can give me one solid reason we should become entangled in Afghanistan, Obama's war of choice. JT, not only becoming more involved in Afghanistan but also Obama's stated intention to challenge ie. provoke Pakistan, which has a sizable Muslim population and which also has a sizable contingent of existing anti-American Pakistani military and intelligence officers, whose numbers would grow, if Prez Obama antagonized Pakistan. We cannot afford to alienate or take on Pakistan - that would be an absolute calamity for America. Obama is also big on peace-keeping forces ( we know how easily that can morph into military action) to be sent to intervene in African disputes and conflicts. Together with Obama's stated policy on NATIONAL SERVICE future plans for young people, where do you think that might lead??? And I might remind everyone of Obama's speech at AIPAC and his promise to BoomBoom Netanyahu in a meeting they had together during Obama's recent visit to Israel that Israel's defense is Obama's major priority. After that meeting, Netanyahu gave his thumbs up endorsement of Obama. What does that tell you? Is there any difference between Obama and McCain re: their tied at the hip loyalty to Israel? I don't see a difference, do you, iconoclast? Obama even went so far as to say that Israel should get Jerusalem as its undivided capitol. What??? If Pres Obama tried to make that come to be, the whole ME would be inflamed with bloodshed.
Quit picking on Ico. He's not right in the head ya know. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
If a withdrawal timeline was the best way to inspire Iraqis to sort out their own bloody differences, does that not hold for Afghans? After all, we have been in Afghanistan longer than in Iraq and the question of civil war there is so academic it’s not even questioned. If diplomacy is the key to peace with Iran, why not try this tact with AQ and bin Laden? The truth be known these arguments have caused the Piles to retreat to the confines of their steril cocoon, where such reality is ignored rather than discussed.
Liberalism, even in small doses, causes massive mental conflictions that only copious amounts of alcohol can resolve.
Only alcohol? ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
At least he doesn't believe in the rapture, or that Jews continue to be God's chosen people, or that Israel's disposition matters one iota to us.
It's a mute point, JT. I don't believe Obama has any intention of getting entangled in another Iraq type debacle. His goal, his intentions, and his strategy fall far short of another "dumb" war.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Obama has never mentioned an all out invasion of Pakistan, but to sit here while bin Ladin has a free pass for eternal sanctuary in an area beyond Pakistan's control is madness. Is the US a modern day re-creation of Gulliver?
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Huh? He has been completely clear re; Afghanistan. Iraqi combat troops to be moved there to seek and destroy bin Laden and AQ. The Collective refuses to discuss this, but he will continue Bush's psychotic War on Terror.
The only ones "not right in the head" were those that pre-emptively invaded Iraq, those that supported that invasion and those that continue to fail to recognize the difference in the two situations.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Madness is antagonizing Pakistan, a nation that maybe has not been the best ally 100% of the time, but which has not been too bad all things considered. Pakistan would make a very bad enemy if we provoke and meddle with the Paki military. If OBL is still alive, he's hiding and being protected by the Paki civilians in the mountainous region known as No Man's Land. Lots of luck Prez Obama in finding him there. Besides which unless we get our self-defeating and very destructive pro-Israel obsession out of the shadows and changed, we are creating 100 new volunteers for AQ and OBL daily by allowing Israel to snuff the Palis. Obama is not planning to change the master-servant relationship that Israel has with us. Obama got endorsed, 2 thumbs up by BoomBoom Netanyahu after their closed door meeting in Israel. Obama is just as willing and eager to go to war on Izzy's behalf as McCain. Get a grip.
we have been in Afghanistan longer than in Iraq For all intents and purposes we cut and ran from Afghanistan as soon as GWB and his ilk convinced themselves we were prepared to establish our first imperial province in the ME. If diplomacy is the key to peace with Iran, why not try this tact with AQ and bin Laden? Iran is not now and never has been our enemy (they supported us against the Taliban which they detest perhaps more than we do). OTOH, bin Laden INVADED our nation, first time for a foreign invasion of our nation since when? 1812? Diplomacy with invaders has heretofore been known as surrender.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
True. Read on and you'll know what I do believe in .... a once proud, sane and courageous republic.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
And Obama did not vote for the Iraq invasion because he was not in Congress yet. We're really not sure how he would have voted if he had the opportunity. He talked the anti-Iraq War talk when he was a state politician, but that's easy when there's nothing on the line. However, once Obama was elected to Capitol Hill as Senator his anti-Iraq war talk was betrayed by his actions. He voted yes for funding and continuing the Iraq occupation madness, yes? Or am I wrong?
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#2. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#3. To: X-15 (#2)
I still can't understand why that nitwit is campaigning over there: the votes are HERE.
Lord Acton
#4. To: X-15 (#2)
I still can't understand why that nitwit is campaigning over there: the votes are HERE.
#5. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
#6. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
I've already said too much.
#7. To: MUDDOG (#6)
He thinks he's some sort of messiah.
#8. To: scrapper2 (#7)
I've already said too much.
#9. To: MUDDOG (#8)
These are the worst presidential nominees I've ever seen.
#10. To: scrapper2 (#9)
#11. To: robnoel, iconoclast, Ferret Mike, aristeides, robin, Brian S, Red Jones, Pinguinite, nolu_chan, a vast rightwing conspirator (#10)
Facts are he will be Americas next President which means Israel will attack Iran within the month....
#12. To: scrapper2 (#11)
#13. To: scrapper2 (#11)
Why the rush "to do" Iran now?
#14. To: buckeye, scrapper2 (#12)
Everyone on s2's ping list: come back, you've been missed.
#15. To: scrapper2 (#11)
Why the rush "to do" Iran now? Better to wait until T.H.E. Messiah assumes the WH throne what with an overwhelming win in the November elections.
#16. To: nolu_chan (#14)
#17. To: nolu_chan (#15)
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#18. To: MUDDOG, scrapper2 (#8)
These are the worst presidential nominees I've ever seen.
#19. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#17)
Over the last 500 years most of Russia's miseries have marched in from the west,
#20. To: nolu_chan (#15)
Iran which also borders Russia.
#21. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#17)
I think Russia has multiple goals with their current war effort.
#22. To: Old Friend (#20)
Russia does not border Iran.
According to a treaty signed between Persia (Iran) and Russia, the Caspian Sea is technically a lake and it is to be divided into two sectors (Persian and Russian), but the resources (then mainly fish) would be commonly shared. The line between the two sectors was to be seen as an international border in a common lake, like Lake Albert. Also the Russian sector was sub-divided into administrative sectors of the four littoral republics.
#23. To: nolu_chan (#22)
According to a treaty signed between Persia (Iran) and Russia, the Caspian Sea is technically a lake and it is to be divided into two sectors (Persian and Russian), but the resources (then mainly fish) would be commonly shared. The line between the two sectors was to be seen as an international border in a common lake, like Lake Albert. Also the Russian sector was sub-divided into administrative sectors of the four littoral republics.
#24. To: James Deffenbach (#0)
Obama, One Worlder Nutcase
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#25. To: buckeye (#12)
Everyone on s2's ping list: come back, you've been missed. You know this is going nowhere good.
#26. To: iconoclast (#25)
#27. To: iconoclast, Jethro Tull (#25)
...they do not trump the WMD/Fear/War mantra of McCain's intentions for a Bush III administration.
#28. To: Jethro Tull, iconoclast, buckeye (#26)
iconoclast: Despite the puzzlement and disappointment of Obama's actions and statements re Israel, even taken all together they do not trump the WMD/Fear/War mantra of McCain's intentions for a Bush III administration.
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
#30. To: scrapper2 (#28)
#31. To: Rotara (#29)
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#31)
Liberalism, even in small doses, causes massive mental conflictions that only copious amounts of alcohol can resolve.
#33. To: Rotara, iconoclast (#29)
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#34. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
Ico, I'll send you $100 dollars to be forwarded to the Obama campaign if you can give me one solid reason we should become entangled in Afghanistan, Obama's war of choice.
#35. To: scrapper2 (#28)
JT, not only becoming more involved in Afghanistan but also Obama's stated intention to challenge ie. provoke Pakistan, which has a sizable Muslim population and which also has a sizable contingent of existing anti-American Pakistani military and intelligence officers, whose numbers would grow, if Prez Obama antagonized Pakistan. We cannot afford to alienate or take on Pakistan - that would be an absolute calamity for America.
#36. To: iconoclast (#34)
#37. To: Rotara (#29)
Quit picking on Ico. He's not right in the head ya know. ;-)
#38. To: iconoclast (#35)
Obama has never mentioned an all out invasion of Pakistan, but to sit here while bin Ladin has a free pass for eternal sanctuary in an area beyond Pakistan's control is madness.
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
#40. To: buckeye (#33)
At least he doesn't believe in the rapture, or that Jews continue to be God's chosen people, or that Israel's disposition matters one iota to us.
#41. To: iconoclast (#37)
The only ones "not right in the head" were those that pre-emptively invaded Iraq, those that supported that invasion and those that continue to fail to recognize the difference in the two situations.
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