Title: Obama, One Worlder Nutcase Source:
breitbart URL Source:http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=138183 Published:Jul 24, 2008 Author:Obama (or his idiot speechwriters) Post Date:2008-07-24 20:30:29 by James Deffenbach Keywords:None Views:1230 Comments:120
Talking to a crowd in Germany, he said: "Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen -- a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world."
Write your own Bible then! It doesn't change what God's says!
The Bible does not lend itself well to Lindsey's tortured interpretations, and if you can extract that out of it, you're twisting it around as well as anyone is. The fact is that this doctrine was injected into the Protestant church for the benefit of the British empire.
And one more thing: putting America and its own land first in my allegiance in no way has anything to do with hating Jews and Israel. Obviously things our out of proportion here with our pro-Israel warring in the Mideast. Until Israel means no more than the Falkland islands to Americans, this will go on, guaranteed.
That it goes on is going to be the destruction of America. American Jews are welcome to join me in putting America first. We know of many who do. The fact is that without bastardized interpretations of the bible haunting their every thought, most American Christians would be content to protect America first and treat Israel like any other country. That's impossible as long as they believe in mistaken doctrines.
Write your own Bible then! It doesn't change what God's says!
What does the Bible actually say about all that? And when have I ever said anything about the 'rapture' other than whenever He comes, I'm going with Him?
Do you even know anything on the subject or do you just parrot other bizarros that hate Jews and Israel??
Oh my, buc, I think we've got ourselves a Christian Zionizt in our midst. Who knew but you? I must have been blind.
Yo, rotara, He has already come - it was about 2000 years ago. Sorry you missed Him.
I'll take God's Word over you two clowns every day of the week.
I am a Christian, yes absolutely.
You that claim to be (maybe) and yet hate Israel and Jews will have much to answer for, as much or more than the monsters in America and Israel that do their master, the anti-Christ's, bidding.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#63. To: buckeye, PLUS ANY OTHER BELIEVERS BESIDES ME (#61)
Who knew but you?
I know their arguments well.
Are there ANY other America first believers on this site but me?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
You're the Christian Zionist preacher. Quote your passages, with hyperlinks.
That's what I thought. You have no idea what God's Word actually says.
You NAZIs are easy to spot and very predictable.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Saying you're America first, but believing Israel is hallowed ground and that you believe in a final conflict over Israel that requires you to participate are incompatible.
Re religion, never argue or discuss such with anyone.
I know you're right, but this is one of the top three issues of our time. Americans have to recognize that America is their promised land, not somewhere else. It was promised to them by their forefathers and the men and women who founded this country. I think God would want them to appreciate that worldly gift above most others.
Saying you're America first, but believing Israel is hallowed ground and that you believe in a final conflict over Israel that requires you to participate are incompatible.
What does the Bible say? You don't even know what it says, it's very obvious.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
It does not tell me to fight for Israel, or that my town is less hallowed than Palestine today.
Which of us is fighting for Israel?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Israel is just a piece of dirt in someone else's country. Period.
I'm not advocating that our nation defy the Constitution for Israel or anyone else.
However, it appears that most here on Freedom4um that have issues attacking and destroying sovereign nations don't give Israel the same turn.
Why is that do you suppose? Hmmm.
One could say they hardly blame Israelis/Hebrews/Jews for saying "never again" as this ugly anti-Christ spirit gains more strength. Yet again.
Ah, the history of those chosen to bring down the 10 Commandments!
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
One could say they hardly blame Israelis/Hebrews/Jews for saying "never again" as this ugly anti-Christ spirit gains more strength.
That is their right, but it is not our concern, not at all. However, they are demanding that it be made our concern. On what basis can they make this claim? None. Absolutely none at all.
We have our own issues to tend.
Furthermore, it would not be Biblical to suggest that the Islamic people are in any way associated with the anti-Christ, and it would be an ideal gem of propaganda for the Israelis to succeed in twisting the Bible around to mean that to American Christians.
I am starting to hear this foul smelling meme from other sources, and it must not be allowed to pass unnoticed. That way leads to madness. The real threat to Americans comes from excessive government power and corruption, for that is what has brought us lawlessness and chaos. The threats Israel faces are not the same ones we face, and mixing the two up was their first goal.
However, they are demanding that it be made our concern.
If Americans acting in a private capacity want to or feel obligated to help Israel, more power to them.
It's UNConstitutional for our Government to be handing out foreign aid or entering entangling alliances.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#77. To: Rotara, buckeye, christine, Original_Intent, rowdee, Jethro Tull, mirage, Rupert_Pupkin, wudidiz, All (#59)
I'll take God's Word over you two clowns every day of the week.
I am a Christian, yes absolutely.
You that claim to be (maybe) and yet hate Israel and Jews will have much to answer for, as much or more than the monsters in America and Israel that do their master, the anti-Christ's, bidding.
Wow, buckeye, you hit a raw nerve - you got to catch this 'net spectacle - it's like something out of the Exorcist movie - head revolving on a stick, eyes blazing, mouth spitting out these words:
"You that claim to be (maybe) and yet hate Israel and Jews will have much to answer for, as much or more than the monsters in America and Israel that do their master, the anti-Christ's, bidding."
Hissssssssssss....
I'm all scared now, buck. Rotara is a definite shape-changer, I swear. I thought he only hated "The New World Order" and "The Globalists" but he actually hates anyone who dares criticize Precious Israhell!!!! Critics of Israel - such as ourselves yesiree, that's you and me, dear buck - we are "monsters" and we do the "bidding of the anti-Christ." Eeeeeeeek, powerful judgment from Mr. Perfect Christozionazi, also known as Rotara. I'm shocked and saddened beyond words.
Rotara first revealed to me earlier today - between his signature :'s and )'s - that he "did not like me very much" and then in a few short hours those expressed feelings escalated to calling me ( and you) a Monster and Agent of the anti-Christ. I was wondering why Rotara tails my posts around like a heat-seeking missile - now the truth is out - Rotara doesn't like the fact that I use credible sources to support my criticisms of Israel examples: Professors Mearsheimer and Walt, noted scholars, and verbatim press reports from Haaretz and YnetNews, which are Israeli newspapers, and also the insightful observations from Philip Weiss's news blog, who just happens to be a very articulate JEWISH journalist who is ashamed of Israel's thuggish actions and he's also aghast at the Zionazi chickenhawks and foreign policy influence peddlers posing as American gov't policy advisers and lobbyists who get the USA to waste US treasure and blood fighting Israel's battles. Just because I don't quote gobblygook drive-in theatre dial a pastor crap from Hal Lindsey crackerjack sources, Rotara has a hissy fit and reveals himself completely as the 1-dimensional shallow christozionutter he always has been.
And you are THE WORST NAZI on this site and among the worst I've ever encountered anywhere.
You are simply a disgusting individual, in spite of all the other things you DO get right.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Cynico: Re religion, never argue or discuss such with anyone.
buckeye: I know you're right, but this is one of the top three issues of our time. Americans have to recognize that America is their promised land, not somewhere else. It was promised to them by their forefathers and the men and women who founded this country. I think God would want them to appreciate that worldly gift above most others.
Bravo, well said. You're on a roll today, buck. You nicely separated the wheat from the chafe and clarified the real issues at hand as opposed to the superficial ones.
You can find scrapper2 defending American Jews on this site if you look. It may be that your views differ on how to best not be a Nazi.
I've read PLENTY from both of you and when it comes to Israel/Jews/Hebrews you two go WAY past the point of America first.
You two have deep issues with God that you project in peculiar ways.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I think in the meantime - as the story goes - we're supposed to live our mortal lives as best we can and when we die we leave our mortal shells behind on earth and our souls join the Heavenly Father and His Son and the Holy Ghost in Heaven.
But you and Rotara are free to just hang around here waiting for Him to come back - yep, that sounds like a sound plan. Just keep watching what happens with Israel in all the ME conflicts it causes, and eventually there should be a signal when His flight is earth bound.
I think in the meantime - as the story goes - we're supposed to live our mortal lives as best we can and when we die we leave our mortal shells behind on earth and our souls join the Heavenly Father and His Son and the Holy Ghost in Heaven.
But you and Rotara are free to just hang around here waiting for Him to come back - yep, that sounds like a sound plan. Just keep watching what happens with Israel in all the ME conflicts it causes, and eventually there should be a signal when His flight is earth bound.
Tell Hitler hello when you see him.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I use credible sources to support my criticisms of Israel...
Aside from the rapture nonsense, here's how it works: Zionism and Manifest Destiny are ideologically linked, and this makes it difficult for Christians who believe in Manifest Destiny not to accept Israel's claims to Palestine. It's a form of cognitive dissonance.
There's an easy way out of this dilemma. The liberal, self-hating approach is to reject both. Unfortunately, there is the other, more troublesome route of attaching a Christian identity to the American people. This is problematic, as well, because it welds race and religion where they do not belong. On the other hand, we can simply accept that America is a wonderful place, it was founded by freedom-loving people, and it was given to us by immigration or birth, and that makes it "ours."
Freedom unites very well. Ron Paul lectured the evangelicals, whose coreligionists had barred him from the Values Voter Debate, at the Revolution March saying "keep your religion to yourself." Indeed. I think he might have also been directing his vitriol at some of the Moral Majority types who were there, as well.
#88. To: Rotara, buckeye, christine, Original_Intent, rowdee, Jethro Tull, mirage, Rupert_Pupkin, wudidiz, All (#84)
a. I've read PLENTY from both of you and when it comes to Israel/Jews/Hebrews you two go WAY past the point of America first.
b. You two have deep issues with God that you project in peculiar ways.
a. Oh really quoting from Professors Mearsheimer and Walt and posting news articles from Israeli newspaper and linking to criticisms made by Jewish journalists is going way past America First. Riggggght. No what pisses you off, Rotara, is that by supporting our criticisms of Israel by presenting credible links and connecting the dots on how IsraelFirsters put America Last, that's what is real annoying to you. Because you would much prefer to lull everyone to sleep with your cryptic comments about "The Globalists" and "The New World Order". You don't want to read or have anyone else read precise articulate well supported arguments about what it is that poses the greatest threat to our fair nation today. You don't want the secret out about wasted US blood and treasure - who this is being done for.
b. Really? And why are you qualified to make this judgment? You are pathetic, Rotara. You are a stereotypical Christian Zionist, AmericaLaster. You still do not have a clue that Israelis despise you and your ilk, but you'd happily send other people's kids, even your own kids, to fight and die for Israel in useless foreign wars. You are pathetic AND selfish - because in your mind, ME wars and conflagration brings Him closer to you, right?
When one has no defense for one's unsupportable position, there's always ye old Hitler anti-semite card. It always magically appears thusly from the Speech Fascist Usual Suspects as well as from their despised Christonutter groupies.
And you are THE WORST NAZI on this site and among the worst I've ever encountered anywhere.
You are simply a disgusting individual, in spite of all the other things you DO get right.
Well, thank you for the compliment, Rotara.
Coming from the likes of a smug dissembling christonutter shape shifting IsraelFirster Fascist like yourself, I see I'm hitting the mark, even going past the mark, in connecting the dots of our disastrous foreign policy for America Lovers at 4um and lurkers everywhere.
Your words are inspiring. I will work harder to reveal truth. I will research deeper. I will look at more sources, international news sources perhaps. Yes, maybe I will even learn Hebrew so I can translate blogs from "abroad". You are such a motivator, Rotara. Again, thank you.
What Rotara represents is indeed well-meaning. These are good people whose net effect on our foreign policy has been negative — not because they meant harm, but because their focus was divided between their own country's future and another people's fate. America's people need this kind of selfless care and devotion now, before it's too late.
America is no longer able to be the savior of the entire world, and history is showing us that we never should have believed that we could be in the first place.
You can find scrapper2 defending American Jews on this site if you look. It may be that your views differ on how to best not be a Nazi.
Thank you, buckeye, for pointing this out. I have said several times that for example Philip Weiss is one of my intellectual heroes, that he is a very courageous man for speaking truths about Israel and about some of the AmericaLasters in his religious group. My criticisms are always about Israel the nation, when its actions earn criticism and about IsraelFirsters who dissemble and put America last. IsraelFirsters are Jewish and gentile alike. I do not single out IsraelFirster Jews for criticism. I have never ever made a broad brush stroke criticism of Jews in general or American Jews in particular because of their faith. I am always very careful and focused in pin-pointing my criticism and the criticism always relates to politics.
Are there ANY other America first believers on this site but me?
You know there are.
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"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
At least. In my dealings, almost all are followers of Yeshua now.
They peg the percentage much higher, and they should know.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
scrapper: If we mess with the Pakis, they'll drag us into an increasingly dragged out conflict there.
iconoclast: We can't be dragged anywhere, dummkopf.
Hello, does Korean War or Vietnam War ring any bells, einstein?
Pakistan's pro-America attitude in government officials is not necessarily shared by the general Paki public or by the intel/military officers. If we start meddling in Pakistan, our pro-American sock puppets in office there will be put between a rock and a hard spot. Do you want a civil war or a military coup to occur in Pakistan because we start making the politicians look weak to the Paki rabbling crowds, while we're "huntin'" for the mythical OBL? And if Pakistan falls into turmoil, then what? We wash our hands and walk away and look for OBL somewhere else? Give me a break. Unless we change our foreign policy in the ME, there'll be OBL's growing everywhere. And Obama has ZERO interest in changing our foreign policy in the ME. Why do you think Bibi likes Obama? Sheesh. Catch a clue.