4um: Obama, One Worlder Nutcase

Title: Obama, One Worlder Nutcase
Source: breitbart
URL Source: http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=138183
Published: Jul 24, 2008
Author: Obama (or his idiot speechwriters)
Post Date: 2008-07-24 20:30:29 by James Deffenbach
Keywords: None
Views: 1336
Comments: 120

Talking to a crowd in Germany, he said: "Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen -- a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world."

They share a recognized international border on what is called the Caspian Sea but which is recognized as a lake.

I was talking about land borders. I even went back and looked it up as I was pretty sure Russian and Iran didn't share a land border.

Despite the puzzlement and disappointment of Obama's actions and statements re Israel, even taken all together they do not trump the WMD/Fear/War mantra of McCain's intentions for a Bush III administration.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

Ico, I'll send you $100 dollars to be forwarded to the Obama campaign if you can give me one solid reason we should become entangled in Afghanistan, Obama's war of choice.

JT, not only becoming more involved in Afghanistan but also Obama's stated intention to challenge ie. provoke Pakistan, which has a sizable Muslim population and which also has a sizable contingent of existing anti-American Pakistani military and intelligence officers, whose numbers would grow, if Prez Obama antagonized Pakistan. We cannot afford to alienate or take on Pakistan - that would be an absolute calamity for America.

Obama is also big on peace-keeping forces ( we know how easily that can morph into military action) to be sent to intervene in African disputes and conflicts. Together with Obama's stated policy on NATIONAL SERVICE future plans for young people, where do you think that might lead???

And I might remind everyone of Obama's speech at AIPAC and his promise to BoomBoom Netanyahu in a meeting they had together during Obama's recent visit to Israel that Israel's defense is Obama's major priority. After that meeting, Netanyahu gave his thumbs up endorsement of Obama. What does that tell you? Is there any difference between Obama and McCain re: their tied at the hip loyalty to Israel? I don't see a difference, do you, iconoclast? Obama even went so far as to say that Israel should get Jerusalem as its undivided capitol. What??? If Pres Obama tried to make that come to be, the whole ME would be inflamed with bloodshed.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

If a withdrawal timeline was the best way to inspire Iraqis to sort out their own bloody differences, does that not hold for Afghans? After all, we have been in Afghanistan longer than in Iraq and the question of civil war there is so academic it’s not even questioned. If diplomacy is the key to peace with Iran, why not try this tact with AQ and bin Laden? The truth be known these arguments have caused the Piles to retreat to the confines of their steril cocoon, where such reality is ignored rather than discussed.

Liberalism, even in small doses, causes massive mental conflictions that only copious amounts of alcohol can resolve.

At least he doesn't believe in the rapture, or that Jews continue to be God's chosen people, or that Israel's disposition matters one iota to us.

It's a mute point, JT. I don't believe Obama has any intention of getting entangled in another Iraq type debacle.

His goal, his intentions, and his strategy fall far short of another "dumb" war.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

Obama has never mentioned an all out invasion of Pakistan, but to sit here while bin Ladin has a free pass for eternal sanctuary in an area beyond Pakistan's control is madness.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

Huh? He has been completely clear re; Afghanistan. Iraqi combat troops to be moved there to seek and destroy bin Laden and AQ. The Collective refuses to discuss this, but he will continue Bush's psychotic War on Terror.

The only ones "not right in the head" were those that pre-emptively invaded Iraq, those that supported that invasion and those that continue to fail to recognize the difference in the two situations.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

Madness is antagonizing Pakistan, a nation that maybe has not been the best ally 100% of the time, but which has not been too bad all things considered. Pakistan would make a very bad enemy if we provoke and meddle with the Paki military. If OBL is still alive, he's hiding and being protected by the Paki civilians in the mountainous region known as No Man's Land. Lots of luck Prez Obama in finding him there.

Besides which unless we get our self-defeating and very destructive pro-Israel obsession out of the shadows and changed, we are creating 100 new volunteers for AQ and OBL daily by allowing Israel to snuff the Palis.

Obama is not planning to change the master-servant relationship that Israel has with us. Obama got endorsed, 2 thumbs up by BoomBoom Netanyahu after their closed door meeting in Israel.

Obama is just as willing and eager to go to war on Izzy's behalf as McCain. Get a grip.

For all intents and purposes we cut and ran from Afghanistan as soon as GWB and his ilk convinced themselves we were prepared to establish our first imperial province in the ME.

If diplomacy is the key to peace with Iran, why not try this tact with AQ and bin Laden?

Iran is not now and never has been our enemy (they supported us against the Taliban which they detest perhaps more than we do). OTOH, bin Laden INVADED our nation, first time for a foreign invasion of our nation since when? 1812?

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

True. Read on and you'll know what I do believe in .... a once proud, sane and courageous republic.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

And Obama did not vote for the Iraq invasion because he was not in Congress yet. We're really not sure how he would have voted if he had the opportunity. He talked the anti-Iraq War talk when he was a state politician, but that's easy when there's nothing on the line.

However, once Obama was elected to Capitol Hill as Senator his anti-Iraq war talk was betrayed by his actions. He voted yes for funding and continuing the Iraq occupation madness, yes? Or am I wrong?

He has been completely clear re; Afghanistan. Iraqi combat troops to be moved there to seek and destroy bin Laden ~~and AQ~~.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

Obama tells Karzai he plans to continue terror war

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama pledged steadfast aid to Afghanistan in talks with its Western-backed leader Sunday and vowed to pursue the war on terror "with vigor" if he is elected, an Afghan official said.

On the second day of an international tour designed to burnish his foreign policy credentials, Obama and other U.S. senators held two hours of talks with President Hamid Karzai at his palace in the Afghan capital.

Obama has chided Karzai for not doing more to build confidence in the Afghan government, whose grip remains weak after the ouster of the Taliban in 2001.

U.S. Embassy spokesman Mark Stroh said the senators had discussed issues including the painstaking rebuilding of the country's government and economy, the security situation and corruption with Karzai.

The Afghan presidency said Obama's message was positive.

"Sen. Obama conveyed ... that he is committed to supporting Afghanistan and to continue the war against terrorism with vigor," said Humayun Hamidzada, Karzai's spokesman.

Both Democrats and Republicans "are friends of Afghanistan and no matter who wins the U.S. elections, Afghanistan will have a very strong partner in the United States," Hamidzada said.

Obama has made Afghanistan a centerpiece of his proposed strategy for dealing with terrorism threats.

The Illinois senator has said the war in Afghanistan, where Taliban and al-Qaida-linked militants are resurgent, deserves more troops and more attention as opposed to the conflict in Iraq.

While officially part of a congressional delegation on a fact-finding tour also expected to take him to Iraq, Obama traveled in Afghanistan amid the security accorded a likely Democratic nominee for president rather than a senator from Illinois.

Media access to Obama was limited, and his itinerary in the war zones was closely guarded. Traveling with him were Sens. Chuck Hagel, a Nebraska Republican, and Jack Reed, a Democrat from Rhode Island.

Obama made no public comment after the meeting with Karzai, which included a traditional lunch of mutton, chicken and rice washed down with a yogurt drink.

Earlier in the day, he praised U.S. troops during breakfast with soldiers at Camp Eggers, a heavily fortified military base in the city.

"To see young people like this who are doing such excellent work, with so much dedication ... it makes you feel good about the country," Obama said.

"I want to make sure that everybody back home understands how much pride people take in their work here and how much sacrifice people are making. It is outstanding," he said in footage filmed by the military and obtained by The Associated Press.

On Saturday, the delegation received briefings from U.S. commanders and a former Afghan warlord who is now the governor of Nangarhar, a province in eastern Afghanistan where militant attacks are spiraling.

Obama's first overseas tour since securing the Democratic nomination _ he is scheduled to travel to Europe through next week _ could be key to honing his foreign policy strategy with less than four months before the Nov. 4 election. His rival for the presidency, Republican Sen. John McCain, has criticized Obama for not spending more time in the region.

Obama advocates ending the U.S. combat role in Iraq by withdrawing troops at the rate of one to two brigades a month while increasing the military commitment to Afghanistan. Obama has proposed sending two more combat brigades _ about 7,000 troops _ to Afghanistan. McCain also is advocating sending more forces to the war-battered country.

U.S. military officials say the number of attacks in eastern Afghanistan, where most of the U.S. forces in the country operate, has increased by 40 percent so far this year compared to the same period last year.

Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told The Associated Press on Saturday that after intense U.S. assaults there, al-Qaida may be considering shifting focus to its original home base in Afghanistan, where American casualties are recently running higher than in Iraq.

Obama also has expressed weariness with efforts by Afghanistan's neighbor, Pakistan, to go after militants in its territory. That frustration may strike a chord with Karzai, who has accused Pakistan's intelligence service of supporting the Taliban insurgency _ a claim that Pakistan denies.

But Obama also has chided Karzai and his government, saying it had "not gotten out of the bunker" and helped to organize the country or its political and security institutions.

If ANYONE knows the truth about 911, it's Fobama and mcCain. So, the 'War on Terra' continues regardless. ;-)

Pakistan is a desperately impoverished, ill educated, rag-tag excuse for nation. What do you expect them to do ... march across two continents and then march on top of the Atlantic to attack us? We have no intention invading them in any real sense of the word (we only just recently carried out bombings in the wasteland where bin Laden is holed up).

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

Says the one who believes God cares more about Israel than any other place on the planet? Says the one who can quote Hal Lindsey with a straight face? Says the one who thinks the rapture is actually a biblical doctrine?

Give me a break mister. These are the ways that Americans are being sucker-punched in the gut by secular Israel. Now who would want that to happen?

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

What does the Bible actually say about all that? And when have I ever said anything about the 'rapture' other than whenever He comes, I'm going with Him?

Do you even know anything on the subject or do you just parrot other bizarros that hate Jews and Israel??

No, genius, the Pakis won't travel across 2 continents and an ocean to fight us here. If we mess with the Pakis, they'll drag us into an increasingly dragged out conflict there. First it will be Special Forces then it will be the Marines and then we've got ourselves into a guerilla warfare situation with Paki civilians nailing our soldiers left and right.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

Oh my, buc, I think we've got ourselves a Christian Zionist in our midst. Who knew but you? I must have been blind.

Yo, rotara, He has already come - it was about 2000 years ago. Sorry you missed Him.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

The Bible does not lend itself well to Lindsey's tortured interpretations, and if you can extract that out of it, you're twisting it around as well as anyone is. The fact is that this doctrine was injected into the Protestant church for the benefit of the British empire.

And one more thing: putting America and its own land first in my allegiance in no way has anything to do with hating Jews and Israel. Obviously things our out of proportion here with our pro-Israel warring in the Mideast. Until Israel means no more than the Falkland islands to Americans, this will go on, guaranteed.

That it goes on is going to be the destruction of America. American Jews are welcome to join me in putting America first. We know of many who do. The fact is that without bastardized interpretations of the bible haunting their every thought, most American Christians would be content to protect America first and treat Israel like any other country. That's impossible as long as they believe in mistaken doctrines.

You that claim to be (maybe) and yet hate Israel and Jews will have much to answer for, as much or more than the monsters in America and Israel that do their master, the anti-Christ's, bidding.