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Title: Flight 93: Cell Call Exposed 9/11:"You did great"
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URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjNB ... com/ceecee-lyles-t17044p2.html
Published: Jul 26, 2008
Author: CanadianVandal
Post Date: 2008-07-26 17:48:52 by honway
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#18. To: buckeye (#15)
Indeed...Too much has been read into something with no basis at all.
For busy, if rational people, this kind of hyperbole serves as all the evidence they need that everything was always done on the up and up, and they really should be trusting George W. Bush, the CIA, the FBI, Homeland Security, and (singing now) praise be to Total Information Awareness... If only the Patriot Acts had been there to break down those awful firewalls. And meanwhile, Israel continues to be the main beneficiary, year in and year out, to the American response to 9/11.
Americans need to cut to the very beginning of this thing, not argue about what hit what and why. One person somewhere conceived the operation. Once it was decided upon by a small cast of characters the chances of keeping it secret diminish to near zero. We will NEVER know the originator or his close friends, therefore all that is left to know for us is what did our government intelligence agencies know about it and when. Arguing as whether a bomb or a meteor hit the Pentagon is a waste of time, detracts from what we need to know. Would I bet people somewhere in our government/military had at least some knowledge??? Sure bet.
Eyewitness testimony is accepted in court and used to convict people of murder. Lorne is providing eyewitness testimony describing seeing his wife's cell phone number on his caller ID. Do you think he is making this up? You have had an opportunity to see his firsthand account. Do you think the man is lying about seeing his wife's cell phone number on his caller ID?
I don't know anything about this material, and it's not sourced, referenced, or corroborated in the video. As for the husband, he's an unreliable witness due to the emotional nature of the event. Yet, the video would lead us to the point that we can envision mass shootings on the ground. Don't you see a problem with this kind of material?
Yes you're right, thank you buckeye. Not a matter of being right or wrong here. It was mostly your statement here; "There may be interesting data here, but it needs a lot more scrutiny than this." that I was agreeing with.
I am not sure you completely appreciate the significance of this audio. The audio includes the time, 9:47 am. At 9:47,according to the flight data recorder information released by the government, United 93 was at 20,000 feet. There is not an honest expert on this planet that will dispute the claim that a personal cell phone will not work at 20,000 feet in an airliner.
Thanks!
I envision quick, lethal injections or 'detainment'. God bless their souls.
"The U.S. Federal Communications Commission prohibits the use of mobile telephones aboard any aircraft in flight. The reason given is that mobile phone systems depend on channel reuse, and operating a phone at altitude may violate the fundamental assumptions that allow channel reuse to work.[citation needed] Mobile telephones are intentionally designed with low power output. A tower is the center of a "cell" and due to attenuation with distance (inverse square law) cell phone transmissions can usually be received only weakly by towers in adjacent cells, and not at all in cells farther away (non-adjacent cells). This allows the channel used by any given phone to be reused by other phones in non-adjacent cells. This principle allows tens or hundreds of thousands of people to use their phones at the same time in a given metropolitan area while using only a limited number of channels"
How do we know this is not a GTE Airfone call misremembered by Lorne Lyle? Did Lorne manage to document his recollection that it was her caller ID coming up on his phone? Where did the full audio, containing the "you did great" remark, come from? Can we download it from another source? Does Lorne remember that? Does Lorne believe something is wrong with the phone call?
Yes, indeed. I notice that nobody in NORAD was brought up on charges of dereliction of duties. The President hasn't been impeached yet. Israel is still receiving foreign aid from us... Yes, we have a lot of obvious, well-documented problems worth our attention.
The maker of the video goes beyond provable facts. That should not distract anyone from the fundamental facts. This is in fact a recorded audio received by the husband of CeeCee Lyles, a flight attendant on United Flight 93. A cell phone will not operate at 20,000 ft in an airliner. Lorne Lyles states he saw his wife's cell phone number on his caller ID. The maker of the video goes too far, but that does not change the fundamental facts.
I did that search before I posted it. It is the real deal. Do the google.
What facts are those? You don't have any solid evidence here that the call wasn't made from the air. You don't have any evidence here that the caller was coerced to make the call. But you do have hysteria, and a lot of it.
As I've said, if it's legitimate audio, it doesn't mean that she was being coerced to say what she said.
It is impossible to make a cell phone call from an airliner at 20,000 feet.
Can you prove that with full documentation, and that it was impossible for CeeCee at the specific times she made calls?
I have tested the ability of cell phones to operate on airliners a number of times. They don't work at 20,000 feet.
They don't work at 20,000 feet. I would think it would also depend on the speed of the plane rather than just the altitude.
God is always good!
"you did great" whispered lowly. Why whisper when the caller clearly wasn't whispering. There was no reason to whisper "you did great" unless for some reason that person did not want anyone to hear them say that but her. If legit this is another item in the huge pool of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.
God is always good!
911myths.com/images/f/f8/...nscript_April_11_2006.pdf U.S. v. MOUSSAOUI Vol. XVII-A 2 Q. The next caller, please.
What do you mean "legit?" How do you know you shouldn't be hearing "you did great" at the end of this recording? Be rational. Show a little care in jumping to your conclusions. There are reasons why we should be concerned, but this video is only a solid demonstration of the irrationality that pollutes the otherwise legitimate 9/11 investigation movement. This whole thread is a testimony to the damage Alex Jones has done to conspiracy research.
That is an incomplete proof. It offers little in the way of scientific evidence with respect to this case. It is further diluted by the fact that you are trying to support your case with your own evidence. Links posted to this thread sourcing independent evidence that cell phones never work at high altitude would be useful, possibly, if we agree that she was at high altitude during that phone call, which would take a whole different set of proofs to validate.
Did you watch the video? Did you see her identification found at the crash site totally intact? Did you know not even the plane was left that intact nor any passengers? It is stretching credulity to believe that somehow her identification and paper items in her pocket survived when no person or piece of the plane that big did. No, this is not the smoking gun the 9/11 truth movement should tell people about first, WTC7 is, but if all information in this video is correct it defintely is another piece of evidence of an inside job.
God is always good!
The video is useless as a vehicle for persuading anyone rational to reconsider his opinions about 9/11, so tainted it is with hysteria and leading conclusions. The discovery of personal effects around the WTC site is also suspicious. So what, we have some valid concerns tucked in with a huge dose of hysteria. Guess what? This video has just illustrated to anyone not considering 9/11 as a suspicious event that 9/11 truthers are irrational, illogical, and prone to succumb to the vilest type of propaganda. Who wins? Not the truth. Truth combined with lies is still in the service of lies.
And what did Alex Jones have to do with the production of this piece?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
The user links back to his site. Jones has covered material on the cell phone issue before. (And: flight 77.)
Alex Jones is not the only, nor the first, to explore the liklihood that the cell calls are fraudulent. A couple of experiments have been run - low budget affairs since the government is not going to shoot holes in their own cover story. There are several factors that suggest the liklihood of the cell calls being made is unlikely: 1. The low power of a cell phone transmitter which has to push the signal through the metal skin of the aircraft - which will attenuate the signal. 2. The distance from any cell tower at 20,000 feet combined with signal attenuation. 3. The speed of the aircraft which would make it difficult, at best, to be able to complete the "handshake" protocols with a tower before being out of its range. No handshake = no connection = no call. While I won't go so far as to say it is impossible the calls were made as billed it nevertheless strikes me as being about as likely as winning the Power Ball two weeks running.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Unfortunately, your haunches don't really offer any proofs in a scientific sense. It would help to have some engineering studies to back up these notions, but it's illegal to test wireless phones in the air. So we definitely don't have any solid proof here that the plane wasn't where the official time line indicated it was. The hasty conclusions exposed in this video, and the following hysteria seen right here on this thread become poison pills to serious efforts to research 9/11. With hyperbole coming over the airwaves day in and day out, the Alex Jones audience is not given any real semblance of research rigor through his own examples, and the exhortation to "do your own research" means very little to the typical Alex Jones listener. This phenomena is about as destructive as it gets to the process of uncovering the truth about 9/11. No reputable analyst would want to be associated with his form of populist analysis.
This is where common sense really should take over. The Marriott Rewards card and the ID endures the crash, but the substantial landing gear does not. Is there an idiot on this planet that would believe that?
Number 48 submitted for your consideration.
The government presents "evidence" and you accept it at face value? What conclusions would you like to reach from this government "evidence?" The same goes for a lot of the other material Alex Jones and his merry band of investigators unearth. What sort of focus is there on the sources of the material, and who leaks/publishes/releases/broadcasts it?
I have witnessed large aircraft crashes, with fires and explosions. It was common to find all sorts of personal items scattered around, perfectly normal.
That's a good point, and it only serves to illustrate the sad fact that we're being encouraged to reach sweeping conclusions before we know really a good dealabout the evidence cited.
I'm part of the LIHOP crowd and this audio tells me nothing. A flight attendant who is trained to be calm in the face of complete panic and chaos is able to place a call to her husband. Listen to that again and again without the help of the video and you can hear the panic in that woman's voice even though she is projecting calm. If I were in her shoes and had one last call to make to my spouse, mark it down and take it to the bank, my words would almost be identical to hers attempting to project calm in a sea of chaos.
"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.
I've often wondered if that isn't his sole purpose.
Motivations are hard to fathom. I would welcome a more circumspect approach from him, in any case. His popularity comes with responsibility.
This is where common sense really should take over. The Marriott Rewards card and the ID endures the crash, but the substantial landing gear does not. Is there an idiot on this planet that would believe that? An airplane, and all its passengers, are 'vaporized,' but some pieces of plastic and paper are found intact? Please, people, get a grip.
Same thing happens with someone's passport from the WTC attacks. Odd, yes. But neither situation proves that the people on flight 93 were on the ground when CeeCee made her call.
Buck - I guess that you've flown, sometime. How would you ever know that you were headed anywhere? Especially if you were going along at 550mph? At which speed your cell phone could never make, or keep, a connection? Just my take, and belief on this scam.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestIt could be a stewardess helping CeeCee make the call and saying "you did great." Or it could be someone next to her saying that about something one of the other passengers had just done.
#19. To: Cynicom (#18)
Too much has been read into something with no basis at all.
#20. To: buckeye (#19)
#21. To: buckeye (#15)
I don't know the source of this audio, or whether or not Lorne has proof (like an electronic log of his cell phone captured IDs with dates).
#22. To: honway (#21)
#23. To: buckeye (#17)
"Nothing looks more like a controlled demolition than a controlled demolition." ~ Prof. James Fetzer
#24. To: buckeye (#19)
#25. To: wudidiz (#23)
#26. To: buckeye, honway (#22)
...the video would lead us to the point that we can envision mass shootings on the ground...
"Nothing looks more like a controlled demolition than a controlled demolition." ~ Prof. James Fetzer
#27. To: honway (#24)
#28. To: honway (#24)
#29. To: wudidiz (#26)
God bless their souls.
#30. To: buckeye (#22)
Yet, the video would lead us to the point that we can envision mass shootings on the ground. Don't you see a problem with this kind of material?
#31. To: buckeye (#28)
Can we download it from another source?
#32. To: honway (#30)
The maker of the video goes too far, but that does not change the fundamental facts.
#33. To: honway (#31)
I did that search before I posted it. It is the real deal. Do the google.
#34. To: buckeye (#32)
You don't have any solid evidence here that the call wasn't made from the air.
#35. To: honway (#34)
#36. To: buckeye (#35)
Can you prove that with full documentation, and that it was impossible for CeeCee at the specific times she made calls?
#37. To: honway (#36)
I have tested the ability of cell phones to operate on airliners a number of times.
#38. To: buckeye (#33)
(Edited)
As I've said, if it's legitimate audio, it doesn't mean that she was being coerced to say what she said.
#39. To: All (#36)
3 Who is this caller?
4 A. This is CeeCee Lyles. She was a flight attendant for 93.
5 She placed two phone calls, one utilizing the airphone from row 32 6 ABC, and a second she utilized her personal cell phone.
7 Q. And both of those were to her husband, is that correct?
8 A. Yes, sir, in Florida.
9 Q. Okay, we are going to leave
#40. To: RickyJ (#38)
If legit this is another item in the huge pool of evidence that 9/11 was an inside job.
#41. To: honway (#36)
I have tested the ability of cell phones to operate on airliners a number of times.
#42. To: buckeye (#40)
(Edited)
This whole thread is a testimony to the damage Alex Jones has done to conspiracy research.
#43. To: RickyJ (#42)
#44. To: buckeye (#40)
This whole thread is a testimony to the damage Alex Jones has done to conspiracy research.
#45. To: Original_Intent (#44)
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thanks!
#46. To: buckeye (#45)
#47. To: Original_Intent (#46)
...it nevertheless strikes me as being about as likely as winning the Power Ball two weeks running.
#48. To: RickyJ (#42)
Did you watch the video? Did you see her identification found at the crash site totally intact?
#49. To: All, *9-11* (#48)
#50. To: honway (#48)
#51. To: honway, buckeye (#49)
#52. To: Cynicom (#51)
#53. To: honway, buckeye (#30)
This is in fact a recorded audio received by the husband of CeeCee Lyles, a flight attendant on United Flight 93.
#54. To: buckeye (#40)
This whole thread is a testimony to the damage Alex Jones has done to conspiracy research.
#55. To: Ncturnal (#54)
#56. To: honway, all (#48)
Did you watch the video? Did you see her identification found at the crash site totally intact?
#57. To: lodwick (#56)
#58. To: buckeye (#57)
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