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Title: We Need More Direct Democracy
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Published: Jul 29, 2008
Author: Joel S. Hirschhorn
Post Date: 2008-07-29 13:55:12 by statusquobuster
Keywords: democracy, reform, Barack Obama
Views: 263
Comments: 19

Representative government fails when corrupt politicians mostly serve corporate and other special interests. Then it is crucial for citizens to have direct democracy opportunities. This means having the right to place initiatives or referenda on ballots that can make new laws, amend constitutions, recall elected officials, or control taxes and government spending.

Though many local and 24 state governments provide rules for some ballot measures and initiatives, they have been limited by diverse establishment, status quo political interests on the left and right that feel threatened by such populist citizen power.

I was impressed by the recent Wall Street Journal article by John Fund: The Far Left’s War on Direct Democracy (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121702588516086143.html?mod=todays_columnists). He made the point that direct democracy, though sorely needed, has been successfully crushed by ugly tactics from those interests that would rather use their money and influence to control legislative and other government functions. They fear citizen power. They know how to control elections and manipulate voters. “Unfortunately, some special interests have declared war on the initiative process, using tactics ranging from restrictive laws to outright thuggery,” said Fund.

I agree with Fund’s summation: “Representative government will remain the enduring feature of American democracy, but the initiative process is a valuable safety valve. …attempts to arbitrarily curb the initiative, or to intimidate people from exercising their right to participate, must be resisted. It's a civil liberties issue that should unite people of good will on both the right and left.”

If this sounds reasonable to you, then the appropriate question to ask of presidential candidates is straightforward: Do you support providing more direct democracy opportunities?

Indeed, many people want some way of creating a federal ballot initiative mechanism whereby the misdeeds or inaction of government could be addressed by Americans voting directly to get the transparent and accountable government and effective public policies they want. A national ballot measure to end the Iraq war would have succeeded in 2006, for example. Putting Democrats in control of Congress did not work. Do we need the ability to recall a president because of dishonesty, incompetence and wrongheaded policies? Yes.

Also consider that the two-party plutocracy has been able to stifle political opposition by making third party and independent candidates unable to grasp any real power, as they can do in most other democracies.

In thinking about direct democracy I was reminded of the all too prevalent view that Barack Obama will challenge the traditional, money dominated two-party control of Washington politics. So, I pose this challenge to Obama: If you truly represent a force for fixing a divisive and ineffective political system, then why don’t you explicitly come out in favor of creating more direct democracy opportunities? Why not condemn all attempts to crush ballot measures and initiatives? And why not help start a national discussion of the possibility of a federal ballot initiative mechanism?

When over 80 percent of Americans see the nation on the wrong track it is fair to conclude that representative government has failed. The two-party plutocracy has too much power. This is the ideal time to recognize the limits of electoral, representative democracy and become an advocate for more direct democracy.

President Theodore Roosevelt, in 1912, wisely observed "I believe in the Initiative and Referendum, which should be used not to destroy representative government, but to correct it whenever it becomes misrepresentative." Direct democracy is all about converting the notion of sovereignty of we the people into reality.

It comes to this: Should we be content to put our faith in elected representative or should we put it in ourselves? When you vote for candidates you don’t put your faith in yourself, you put it in them. Haven’t we been disappointed enough in those elected? We have less to fear from the will of the majority than from the actions of dishonest, corrupt and plutocracy-serving elected officials.

For political reform seeking Americans the litmus test for presidential candidates should be whether they support more direct democracy. If Obama is not just about rhetorical change, but a true reformer of the political system, then we need to hear from him on this issue.

Let him explain whether or not he supports what Ralph Nader does, who has said that presidential candidates should “put front and center empowering the American people in direct democracy format so they can move in when their so-called representatives cave in to the interests of big business. …Campaign finance reform has got to go hand in hand with direct democracy like initiative, referendum, recall.” His current platform says that we need “more direct democracy reflecting the preamble to our constitution which starts with ‘we the people,’ and not ‘we the corporations.’”

Can you imagine Obama saying these things? I can’t.

[Joel S. Hirschhorn can be reached through www.delusionaldemocracy.com.]

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#1. To: statusquobuster (#0)

Yes, we do.

Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-07-29   15:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: statusquobuster (#0)

No, we don't.

We need folks to read the Constitution and make sure their elected representatives honor their oath of office.

Ron

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-29   23:08:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: statusquobuster (#0) (Edited)

The word democracy does not appear in the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution or in the constitutions of any one of our fifty states.

Article IV: Section 4 of U.S. Constitution reads: "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government... “

When Benjamin Franklin left the convention in Philadelphia he was asked, "What have you given us?". He responded, "A republic, if you can keep it!"

When our Founding Fathers established a republic they knew the significance of the terms they were using. They also new the meaning of the word democracy, and the history of democracies; and they were deliberately doing everything in their power to avoid for their own times, and to prevent for the future, the evils of a democracy.

Alexander Hamilton said: "We are a Republican Government. Real liberty is never found in despotism or in the extremes of Democracy."

Samuel Adams warned: "Remember, Democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself! There never was a Democracy that did not commit suicide."

Not only did our Founding Fathers establish a republic, they greatly feared democracy. James Madison, known as the father of the U.S. Constitution, wrote: ". . . democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property; and have been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths."

The United States Constitution does not contain the word democracy. It does "guarantee to every State in this Union a republican form of government. . ." When we recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, we say, "to the Republic for which it stands," and not "to the Democracy."

In 1928, the U.S. War Department training manual (No. 2000-25) for American military personnel, said of democracy: "A government of the masses. "Authority derived through mass meeting or any other form of 'direct' expression. "Results in mobocracy. "Attitude toward property is communistic -- negating property rights. "Attitude toward law is that the will of the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed by passion, predjudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. "Results in demogogism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy."

It went on to state: "Our Constitutional fathers, familiar with the stength and weakness of both autocracy and democracy, with fixed principles definitely in mind, defined a representative republican form of government. They made a very marked distinction between a republic and a democracy . . . and said repeatedly and emphatically that they had founded a republic."

Federalist Papers James Madison, Number 14, p.141 The error which limits republican government to a narrow district has been unfolded and refuted in preceding papers. I remark here only that it seems to owe its rise and prevalence chiefly to the confounding of a republic with a democracy, and applying to the former reasonings drawn from the nature of the latter. The true distinction between these forms was also adverted to on a former occasion. It is that in a democracy the people meet and exercise the government in person; in a republic they assemble and administer it by their representatives and agents. A democracy, consequently, must be confined to a small spot. A republic may be extended over a large region.

This is a Republic, not a Democracy, Let’s keep it that way.

Ron

............

onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-29   23:17:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: statusquobuster (#0) (Edited)

Part 2 of 3.

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-29   23:21:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: All (#4)

Part 3 of 3.

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-29   23:40:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: All (#5)

Part 1 of 3.

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-29   23:43:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6)

This three part presentation is available on a DVD, along with a few other special youtube clips, for only one dollar (frn).

May I suggest that each of us order a few dozen and pass them along to those who may not be aware that we live in a Republic. What a wonderful way to introduce others to the fact that we are lied to every day by those who claim we live in a democracy.

Americanism 101

Any media person, politician or school teacher that says we live in a democracy should immediately be corrected and closely scrutinized for additional misstatements.

............

onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   0:00:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: statusquobuster (#0)

They know how to control elections and manipulate voters.

If that is true and it is, the same bunch that manipulate voters in a Republic would also be capable of manipulating voters in a democracy. The solution to voter manipulation is an informed electorate. It is most difficult to corrupt the voters if a foundation of solid principles is widely understood. A perfect example of an individual who demonstrates a consistent, principled understanding of liberty and the proper role of government is a Doctor I know of in south Texas, Ron Paul

Education Is The Total Strategy and Truth The Only Weapon... for now.

Always be prepared for the backup plan.

Ron

............

onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   0:12:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: wakeup (#3)

The word democracy does not appear in the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution or in the constitutions of any one of our fifty states.

who started that bastardization?

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-07-30   0:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: statusquobuster (#0)

Here's a good overview about the down side of direct democracy:

www.historylearningsite.co.uk/democracy.htm

Democracy is a word frequently used in British Politics. We are constantly told that we live in a democracy in Britain and that our political system is "democratic" and that nations that do not match these standards are classed as "undemocratic". D Robertson, writing in 1986, stated that: "Democracy is the most valued and also the vaguest of political terms in the modern world."

Robertson continued by stating that the word only starts to mean something tangible in the modern world when it is prefixed with other political words, such as direct, representative, liberal and parliamentary.

Direct Democracy

This belief is based on the right of every citizen over a certain age to attend political meetings, vote on the issue being discussed at that meeting and accepting the majority decision should such a vote lead to a law being passed which you as an individual did not support.

Part of this belief, is the right of every one to hold political office if they choose to do so. Direct democracy also believes that all people who have the right to, should actively participate in the system so that it is representative of the people and that any law passed does have the support of the majority.

Direct democracy gives all people the right to participate regardless of religious beliefs, gender, sexual orientation, physical well being etc. Only those who have specifically gone against society are excluded from direct democracy. In Britain, those in prison have offended society in some way and, therefore, their democratic rights are suspended for the duration of their time in prison. Once released, and having ‘learnt a lesson’, their democratic rights are once again restored.

Direct democracy is fine in theory but it does not always match the theory when put into practice. Direct democracy requires full participation from those allowed to. But how many people have the time to commit themselves to attending meetings especially when they are held mid-week during an afternoon? How many wish to attend such meetings after a day’ work etc?

If Britain has 40 million people who can involve themselves in politics if they wish, how could such a number be accommodated at meetings etc? Who would be committed to being part of this system day-in and day-out when such commitment would be all but impossible to fulfil? How many people have the time to find out about the issues being discussed whether at a local or a national level ? How many people understand these issues and the complexities that surround them? How many people understood the complexities of the problems surrounding the building of the Newbury by-pass, the installation of Tomahawk cruise missiles at Greenham Common etc?

If people are to be informed on such issues, who does this informing? How can you guarantee that such information is not biased? Who would have time to read all the information supporting the building of the Newbury by-pass and then read the material against it, before coming to a balanced personal decision?

Because of the realities of direct democracy, few nations use it. Some states in New England, USA, do use it at a local level but the number of people involved is manageable and the culture of the towns involved actively encourages participation. The issues discussed are relevant purely to the town and ,therefore, there is a good reason for involving yourself if you want your point of view heard. Meetings are held in town halls across New England - which, apart from cities such as Boston, is not highly populated. But how could the system work in heavily populated areas?

In the recent mayoral election in London, the small turnout of voters indicates that one aspect of direct democracy was not there - active participation by those who could have participated. Of those who did vote, how many will actively participate in the running of the city? Is the mechanism in place for people, other than those appointed by Ken Livingstone, to involve themselves in day-to-day decisions? This will be done by a cabinet selected by the mayor. The people of London will have no choice as to who sits on this city cabinet (just as the national electorate has no say in who sits on the government’s cabinet when it is picked). Is it physically possible to have a system that involves all those in London who wish to do so? How many Londoners understand the complexities of the issues which the city government will have to deal with? At this moment in time, London cannot be run by a system of direct democracy.

Technological developments in the future may change this. The expansion of the Internet and the speed with which communication can now be achieved, may favour direct democracy. The present government set-up a system in 1997, whereby 5,000 randomly selected members of the public (the so-called "People’s Panel") are asked about their reactions to government policy. However, there is no system in place which allows the public to help formulate government policy, and critics of the "People’s Panel" have called it a gimmick with no purpose.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-30   0:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#9)

The word democracy does not appear in the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution or in the constitutions of any one of our fifty states.

who started that bastardization?

Damn good question.

I would guess it was a campaign that crossed many avenues of propaganda outlets, many moons ago.

I do know the Army changed the definitions of the various forms of government in their soldiers manual. I saw a copy. "Because America is a Democracy..."

It is so turned around that some make the argument that the founders were corrupt because they did not favor democracy in their writings.

The campaign to re-educate us goes way back. Clever those distorters of truth.

I think that famous teacher name Gatto is sharp on this issue.

Ron

............

onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   0:45:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: christine (#9) (Edited)

Education Is Our Total Strategy and Truth Our Only Weapon.

Democracy leads to this kind of education:

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   1:31:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: All (#12)

"And a new day will dawn for those who stand long
And the forest will echo with laughter... "

There's a lady who's sure all that glitters is gold And she's buying a stairway to heaven (And) when she gets there she knows if the stores are all closed With a word she can get what she came for

Ooh ooh ooh...ooh...ooh ooh ooh And she's buying a stairway to heaven

There's a sign on the wall but she wants to be sure 'Cause you know sometimes words have two meanings In the tree by the brook there's a songbird who sings Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven

Oooh...It makes me wonder Oooh...It makes me wonder

There's a feeling I get when I look to the west And my spirit is crying for leaving In my thoughts I have seen rings of smoke through the trees And the voices of those who stand looking

Oooh...It makes me wonder Oooh...And it makes me wonder

And it's whispered that soon, if we all called the tune Then the piper will lead us to reason And a new day will dawn for those who stand long And the forest will echo with laughter

Woe woe woe woe woe oh If there's a bustle in your hedgerow Don't be alarmed now It's just a spring clean for the May Queen Yes there are two paths you can go by but in the long run There's still time to change the road you're on

And it makes me wonder...ohhh ooh woe

Your head is humming and it won't go -- in case you don´t know The piper's calling you to join him Dear lady can you hear the wind blow and did you know Your stairway lies on the whispering wind

And as we wind on down the road Our shadows taller than our souls There walks a lady we all know Who shines white light and wants to show How everything still turns to gold And if you listen very hard The tune will come to you at last When all are one and one is all, yeah To be a rock and not to roll Ooooooooooooh

And she's buying a stairway to heaven

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   1:44:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: All (#13)

And for the secular humanists among us who have not found the Lord...
keep looking.

I close my eyes, only for a moment, and the moment's gone All my dreams, pass before my eyes, a curiosity Dust in the wind, all they are is dust in the wind. Same old song, just a drop of water in an endless sea All we do, crumbles to the ground, though we refuse to see

Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind

[Now] Don't hang on, nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky It slips away, and all your money won't another minute buy.

Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind Dust in the wind, everything is dust in the wind.

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   2:00:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: All (#14) (Edited)

The wise man said just walk this way To the dawn of the light The wind will blow into your face As the years pass you by Hear this voice from deep inside Its the call of your heart Close your eyes and your will find The passage out of the dark

Here I am Will you send me an angel Here I am In the land of the morning star

The wise man said just find your place In the eye of the storm Seek the roses along the way Just beware of the thorns

Here I am Will you send me an angel Here I am In the land of the morning star

The wise man said just raise your hand And reach out for the spell Find the door to the promised land Just believe in yourself Hear this voice from deep inside Its the call of your heart Close your eyes and your will find The way out of the dark

Here I am Will you send me an angel Here I am In the land of the morning star Here I am Will you send me an angel Here I am In the land of the morning star

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   2:02:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: All (#15) (Edited)

"Leaving together... "

Were leaving together, But still its farewell And maybe well come back, To earth, who can tell? I guess there is no one to blame Were leaving ground Will things ever be the same again?

Its the final countdown...

Were heading for venus and still we stand tall Cause maybe theyve seen us and welcome us all With so many light years to go and things to be found Im sure that well all miss her so.

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   2:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: All (#16)

Leaving together... for sure but, before we do...

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   2:40:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: All (#17) (Edited)

"The world will know that free men stood against a tyrant... "

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   3:39:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: All (#18) (Edited)

Kneel no longer, stand up and fight.

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onedollardvdproject.com

I recently made the perfect DVD combo:
Ron Paul Intro., Freedom to Fascism, Keep and Bear Arms, Zeitgeist II & III.
All four are on one DVD and it is a great wakeup call.

wakeup  posted on  2008-07-30   3:47:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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