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Title: After raid, Iowa town deals with Somali immigrants
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728 ... t=Aq7p0GgPmt75Oj6DWgNymddvzwcF
Published: Jul 29, 2008
Author: AP
Post Date: 2008-07-29 18:50:57 by Jethro Tull
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Views: 366
Comments: 31

POSTVILLE, Iowa - Scores of Somali immigrants are taking jobs at the nation’s largest kosher meatpacking plant, replacing Hispanic workers arrested in a huge immigration raid and forcing a remote Iowa town to make another cultural shift.

Before the May 12 raid at Agriprocessors, hundreds of Mexican and Guatemalan immigrants maintained a vibrant community in Postville, a largely white community of 2,200 people in northeast Iowa.

Now the stoops and haunts once occupied by Hispanics are being filled by about 150 Somali men.

Aydurus Farah, a 21-year-old who immigrated from Somalia in 2004, set out for work in meatpacking plants to make money for his family back home in Somalia.

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#1. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

assuming these Somalis are legal?

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christine  posted on  2008-07-29   19:06:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine (#1)

assuming these Somalis are legal?

Does it matter?

Black hawk down did not reflect a happy pro-American stance of Somalians. Perhaps the film showed a very isolated example of negative 'tudes there.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-29   19:23:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

Gah.

I used to say I never met an African that I didn't like. Then I met Somalis.

Almost to a man, they're filthy, uncouth, sexist, and rude.

Have fun, Iowegians. Bet you'll be missing the Guatemalans...

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Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-07-29   21:43:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Indrid Cold, Jethro Tull, christie, rowdee (#3)

As of 2003, Minnesota was the home to 60,000 refugees from Somalia. Who knew?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-29   22:01:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: scrapper2 (#4)

Plenty of willing workers for the Kosher slaughter houses. Dirty work, you see. Not something most Americans would want to do.

buckeye  posted on  2008-07-29   22:04:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Indrid Cold (#3)

Once you smell them you will never forget them....

robnoel  posted on  2008-07-29   22:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeye (#5)

Not something most Americans would want to do.

Well they're not going to want to do it for $10 an hour and skimpy benefits.

Meatpacking used to be a career. Now it's a 1-year tour of duty.

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Indrid Cold  posted on  2008-07-29   22:15:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Jethro Tull, christine, rowdee, lodwick, Rupert_Pupkin, Rotara, buckeye, Peppa, Ricky J, James Deffenbach (#0)

You gotta read this article about refugees from Africa and from around the globe and the taxpayer-supported perks that these refugees receive as soon as they put a toe in our nation. The reference to Fannie May is particularly "rich" considering what happening today re: US citizens having their homes foreclosed.

And lucky us, the US gov't has volunteered to be a deep-pockets hot shot receiver of refugees. The Noblesse Oblige attitude of Congress and the desk jockeys in State Dept is beyond stupid.

www.newswithviews.com/NWO/newworld44.htm

"SOMALIA REFUGEES READY TO START ANEW" 07/30/03

As a political activist and researcher, I feel the Refugee Resettlement programs need unveiling and exposure. It is a huge "cottage industry" encompassing charitable foundations, religious and non-religious government and non-governmental agencies, federal and state administrations and agencies. Upon reading a recent article on Somalia Bantus and their resettlement in Georgia, Arizona, Utah, Minnesota and many other states, red flags are everywhere.

There are more than enough questions for citizens to consider and question the costs, whether it be monetary, cultural changes, language conflicts, health care, schools, hospitals, social programs and massive litigation problems. The tentacles of this industry reach every part of international, national, state and local governments.

The whole issue of refugees came to light for me when the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel newspaper published an article on November 9, 2002. The headlines read, "Fannie May Plans Major Investment - $26 billion" for low cost and immigrant housing in Wisconsin.

Twenty-six billion is an extreme amount of money for one state. At that particular time, President Bush in a speech, mentioned that he'd work with the United Nations (UNHCR) High Commissioner for Refugees. Going into the Iraq war sent up red flags. The last Iraqi war brought 7,000 Iraqi's to our country at the cost of over $70,000,000 to taxpayers.

Needless to say, the Smart Growth programs being initiated in states, calls for the townships, villages, towns, cities and county governments to work out plans for housing and land-use plans. Now local government entities will pick up the costs for refugee resettlements in the ensuing years, without even knowing the in-depth plans that have been formulated.

One might inquire just how does this refugee business work? The United Nations created the Refugee Convention in 1951; in 1980 the United States passed the Refugee Act, patterned after the convention. The Refugee Act created a special type of expedited, subsidized immigration, with the United States being the largest single contributor.

A recent report from the U.S. Committee for Refugees officially recognized 12 million people who fled their countries worldwide by the end of 2002 and were resettled. Since 1992, over three quarters (77%) of the U.N. recognized refugees were resettled permanently in the United States. (Source: UNHCR Refugees Vol. 4, Num 129 January 2003). In the past year about 50% of today's UNHCR refugees are from Muslim countries, not including Palestinians who are counted on the books of another UN refugee agency UNRWA (United Nation Relief Works Agency).

Keep in mind, the Refugee Resettlement programs are unfunded Federal Mandate, thereby causing all states to use their taxpayer's monies to support these programs. There is a real possibility that the refugee industry would end abruptly if the tremendous costs were the responsibility of its champions rather than the U.S. taxpayer.

As some Americans are pushed off of time-limited welfare programs, many refugees are going onto lifetime cash assistance programs. Welfare use is staggering among refugees, successful asylum seekers and Cubans. They are eligible for all forms of welfare (Cash, SSI, TANF, Medicaid, housing, food stamps, WIC, etc.) 30 days after arrival. Many refugees are going on to lifetime entitlements of monthly checks for the elderly and disabled. Add into that fixed administration costs and ongoing support programs such as language training, mental health counseling, for refugees already settled in this country.

How is the transportation for refugees handled? An interest free loan is made to the refugee for transportation to the U.S., through an international bureaucracy. Ultimately, it is the taxpayer, which pays these loans. The transportation costs for refugees to this country are grossly unreported. As of today, about 43% of the transportation costs of the United States are unpaid, leaving an unpaid balance of $436,000.000 without interest.

Refugees are likely to receive waivers for diseases that would otherwise bar entry. The Minnesota Health Department reports shows that although African immigrants make up less than 1% of their state's population they account for 16% of HIV. To date, Minnesota has a population of over 60,000 African (Somalia) refugees.

On its face, U.S. law bars admission of HIV positive individuals; however, the bar may be waived for refugee's in order to assure "family unity", for humanitarian purposes or for reasons of "public interest."

In addition, all the services under Medicaid and the Ryan White CARE act, a Federal AIDS program, are automatically available to refugees from India, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Russia, Ukraine and other countries.

While we lost a Congressional District due to the drop in our population, our international immigration figures have increased substantially. An additional amount of 23,826 immigrants in the years 2001 and 2002 were recently added to our state. Needless to say, the State of Wisconsin has never explained the costs of the various services connected with the refugee, asylum, or immigrant programs nor refugees.

The June 22, 2003 Chicago Tribune article on refugees stated that 10 agencies have been approved by the State Department to help integrate refugees in housing. However, there are at least 400 federal government-dependent refugee agencies and affiliates. The groups that resettle refugees are referred to in the media as "charities" or "non-profits" or "humanitarian organizations". They are actually federal contractors and get the vast majority of their resources from the U.S. taxpayer. There are over 800 non-government organizations resettling refugees and their agenda is to increase the refugee quota, passing hate-crime, racial profiling legislation, increasing the size of welfare benefits and social programs.

In the 1970s, Southeast Asian refugees were resettled in groups of 1,500 more or less in our state of Wisconsin. We now have over 80,000 Hmongs residing here, not including 1,500 that are scheduled to arrive shortly.

Descendants of recent immigrants often have wide diverse stories about how their parents or grandparents used 3x5 cards to convey simple messages. Today, for instance, the Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service (LIRS), a refugee resettlement contractor, advises the refugees it brings in to confront hospitals, clinics, public housing and welfare providers with the message:

"My name is _________and I have limited English skills and require qualified language assistance in________. Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 requires that your office provide a qualified interpreter for me to have equal access to your services. It is a violation of the law for you to require me to bring my own interpreter in order to receive services. If you have any questions about how to comply with these legal requirements, call the U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division at 1-888-848-5306."

It is perfectly legal for refugee agencies to use government funds to get the word out about how to sue over "language access". In 1997, courts in Massachusetts had 7,209 requests for interpreters. By 2001, those requests were running at 57,000 per year said the 3/04/02 Boston Globe. Language access litigation is going to be the next big item for the Civil Rights industry. Executive Order 13166 passed under Clinton requiring any entity that receives federal funds to provide free interpreting services.

The definition of a refugee has been widely stretched by all three branches of our government - the Judiciary, Congress and the Administration. Basically Congress can name whatever group it wants to be a refugee. For instance, Congress passed a law declaring China's one-child policy to be an example of persecution, based upon a political view. Not surprising, China now heads up the list of successful asylum seekers, and they have resettled in most of our 50 states. People may seek asylum in the U.S. based upon domestic abuse, FGM (Female Genitalia Mutilation), and even lack of services to the disabled.

A recent article in an Atlanta newspaper, reported that over 12,000 Somalia Bantu's were going to be resettled in various states across the country this year. The resettlement of Somali Bantu in Middle America grew from 5,000 in 1990 to 40,000 in 2000. They also noted that the costs were going to be in the billions. States are cutting out Medicaid for thousands of people, along with many other services. Hospitals are being flooded with providing care for illegal immigrants. The income of working citizens has dropped over $12 billion dollars this past year. So many jobs have shifted out of the country, that UN employment rates in former industrial cities rank in the 40% range.

The Dobbs Report by Lou Dobbs, U.S. news and World Report, June 2, 2003, reported "The U.S. Trade deficit last year reached $435 billion and the current account deficit, a broader measure that includes things like income received on foreign assets, swelled to $503 billion in 2002. According to the Economic Policy institute, our rising trade deficits cost three million actual and potential jobs in the United States between 1994 and 2000. A report by Forrester Research predicts that nearly 500,000 information-technology jobs will be moved overseas in the next 12 years."

Can we absorb all the refugee, asylum-seekers and immigrants into this country? Before taking in any New World Order refugee resettlements, the U.S. should revisit legislation capping refugee admission. In addition, a return to the English language should be mandatory, to ease monetary and social costs. Being an unfunded federal mandate, each state should inform each and every taxpayer, the amount of money being taxed to support these programs.

Will solid information ever come to light? Not unless pressure is put upon states and the media to tell both sides of the stories and then Congress to investigate the entire program. Seems strange that we support the world but not our own people and the last to know.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-29   22:18:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeye (#5)

Plenty of willing workers for the Kosher slaughter houses. Dirty work, you see. Not something most Americans would want to do.

Not only that it's dirty work, but kosher slaughter practices, in particular, are very cruel and inhumane.

There was a Youtube video that I came across - I think the video was taken by a Humane Society "mole" in a kosher slaughterhouse and it was truly sickening.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-29   22:24:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: scrapper2 (#8)

Funny the only folks who can't get into America are white Africans

robnoel  posted on  2008-07-29   22:24:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: scrapper2 (#9)

Moderate Mammal just lit up a Hasbara specialist on LP by posting one.

buckeye  posted on  2008-07-29   22:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: scrapper2 (#8)

scrapper, call me a radical racist white butt hole, but there is no doubt in my mind that the PTB have brought integration to the level of nations. I despise 3rd world folks, and I'm positive they'd devalue my home and culture if they moved next door to me. Fellow white people hate me for expressing the obvious, but I'd love to debate them if they had the courage. This insanity needs to cease.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-29   22:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Hi-Jacking in Africa coming to America

robnoel  posted on  2008-07-29   22:30:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: buckeye (#11)

Moderate Mammal just lit up a Hasbara specialist on LP by posting one.

In all fairness, I'm not sure that your average American Jew realizes the cruelty involved in kosher slaughterhouses. The kosher slaughtering practices are based on ancient rituals that have never changed over time, with enlightenment.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-29   22:30:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Insanity... They're crazy like a fox. These Somalis wouldn't march to DC and complain about big government and abuse of power. When we're gone, that's it. The end. We're done. When they get us out of the way, the prevailing powers will be able to do what ever they've always wanted.

buckeye  posted on  2008-07-29   22:31:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: robnoel (#10)

Funny the only folks who can't get into America are white Africans

That's very true. I was shocked once when I discovered that it's very difficult for white Africans to gain refuge status with the former white colonial governments (UK, Netherlands) unless they can show familial citizenship lineage.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-29   22:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: buckeye, Jethro Tull (#15)

Did you guys read the article I posted in msg. #8 on this thread? The financial details are astounding!

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-29   22:36:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: scrapper2 (#17)

Yes, I read it scrapper and It's numbing. I'm sorry, but some nations aren't capable of self governance.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-29   22:40:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: scrapper2 (#9)

...kosher slaughterhouse and it was truly sickening.

I've seen a video of it: they slit the creatures throat (no anesthesia) and let them bleed out. I see why the Nazi's outlawed it and I, too, would like to outlaw it.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-07-29   22:43:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull, scrapper2, christine, robnoel (#18)

My reaction: there's no need for 9/11 hysteria when material like this is freely available to anyone who can read. Then again, Rob has been talking about this kind of thing for a long time, from what I've learned here on 4.

buckeye  posted on  2008-07-29   22:44:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#0)

...hundreds of Mexican and Guatemalan immigrants maintained a vibrant community...

That's how the MSM describe a turd-world ghetto of disease and crime.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-07-29   22:44:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: X-15 (#19)

I, too, would like to outlaw it.

We could start by not subsidizing Israel, which just encourages the demand.

buckeye  posted on  2008-07-29   22:45:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: robnoel (#10)

Funny the only folks who can't get into America are white Africans

There has to be an undeclared/hidden policy of why this is.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-07-29   22:46:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: X-15 (#23) (Edited)

your sig pic is great. I'll die before I succumb.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-29   22:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#24)

It's better to die a free man with a gun in your hand than to be marched off to the gulags/extermination camps like other poor wretches did in the past.

“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941

X-15  posted on  2008-07-29   22:55:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: X-15 (#25)

It's better to die a free man with a gun in your hand than to be marched off to the gulags/extermination camps like other poor wretches did in the past.

Agree. Some slaves here would rather we give up our weapons for a chance at global freedom. But then again they live in nations where sling shots are outlawed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-07-29   23:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: scrapper2 (#8)

"Fannie May Plans Major Investment - $26 billion" for low cost and immigrant housing in Wisconsin.

No wonder they are having problems. You could probably buy the COUNTRY those people came from for that!

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-07-29   23:20:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: X-15, robnoel (#23)

robnoel: Funny the only folks who can't get into America are white Africans

X-15: There has to be an undeclared/hidden policy of why this is.

Western nations like the USA and the UK, who cheer leaded the advent of Black rule in Africa, would need to admit that their pet project was a grotesque failure, if they officially recognized that white African lives were at risk due to racism - giving white Africans refugee status would be a rather stark admission of the West's folly.

Also the UN Refuge Committee thingie is administered by non-whites by and large so I suspect there's quite a bit of "awkwardness" in that agency about officially recognizing the fact that white Africans are being forced to flee their birth nations due to black on white violence/racism.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-07-30   0:41:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

carolontheweb was an energetic writer and activist a while back until she became convinced that America is lost and it's pointless to continue.

She once wrote about an overseas flight she took with a bunch of Somalian relocatees, most of whom had never seen a toilet. In a matter of minutes the plane's restrooms were unusable!

UGH.

I believe that it's part of the plan to dismantle the US as well as Germany. We are the only two nations that could still rise up and reverse the trend so to speak.

I really do regret having kids and G kids now. When I contemplate their futures I'm overcome with bare fear.

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-07-30   3:15:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: HOUNDDAWG (#29)

Betty!!!

Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org

who knows what evil  posted on  2008-07-30   6:22:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: HOUNDDAWG (#29)

I really do regret having kids and G kids now. When I contemplate their futures I'm overcome with bare fear.

God bless Uhhmerkka.

Esso  posted on  2008-07-30   6:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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