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Title: OSU engineer: Hydrogen system in autos a scam
Source: Corvallis Gazette-Times
URL Source: http://www.gazettetimes.com/article ... news/community/4aaa04_scam.txt
Published: Jul 31, 2008
Author: Steve Lathrop
Post Date: 2008-07-31 20:09:37 by mirage
Keywords: Greenie, Scam
Views: 83
Comments: 2

The hydrogen gas systems being used by several mid-valley drivers cannot deliver any kind of efficiency, says Bob Paasch, the Boeing professor of mechanical design at Oregon State University.

“The process is a scam,” he said. “It’s wishful thinking. If it were true, every power company and auto company in the world would be using it.”

Paasch said the systems — which use water and baking soda to create hydrogen via an electrical charge from the battery and alternator — violate the second law of thermodynamics and can’t work.

“People who buy into this are wasting their money,” he said.

Paasch has conducted tests on a similar device in the past and found it did not live up to any of the claims made by the inventor, who said it would deliver 50 percent more horsepower and double the gas mileage.

The systems being used are electrolysis, according to Paasch. Hydrogen and water can be burned through this process but more energy is required to drive the cell than can be extracted from it.

Ray Warren of Millersburg and Elden Huntling of Lebanon have the systems installed in their respective gas- and diesel-powered trucks and say they have seen a significant increase in gas mileage.

“These types of systems have been proven to be frauds,” Paasch said. “It’s impossible for the process to produce more energy than it consumes.”

Nonetheless, Huntling and Warren stand by their mileage claims. Warren admitted his mileage dropped significantly after several fill-ups but says he expected it and that a simple adjustment to his computer will correct the problem.

“I stand by the system,” he said.

Huntling has seen no decreases. “All I can say is that I’ve increased the mileage on my diesel truck by 64 percent,” he said. “It runs off excess power from the alternator.”

Paasch says this can’t be.

“The alternator doesn’t produce excess power. The alternator requires more mechanical energy than the hydrogen process can produce.”

Paasch also says the system is potentially unsafe.

“You have a highly flammable gas and the possibility of electric sparks in an enclosed space,” he said. “It’s a very dangerous situation.”

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Ray Warren of Millersburg and Elden Huntling of Lebanon have the systems installed in their respective gas- and diesel-powered trucks and say they have seen a significant increase in gas mileage.

One problem I've seen and experienced in trying out any substance or means of increasing fuel economy is that one tends to create an environment that's amenable to producing positive results.

Normally, we go willy nilly about in vehicles, not paying particular attention to engine maintenance, tire pressure, weight in vehicle, etc...

When you go to try out some new system to improve fuel economy, there's a natural inclination to pay a lot more attention to the vehicle and to also pay more attention to the way you drive. Between tire pressure, tune, weight and driving speed, it's within the realm of possibility that you can improve your fuel economy over 25% and then subseqently attribute it to the "wonder device or juice"...

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That is what is going on in Corvallis.

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