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Title: Are you preparing for "spit hitting the fan"?
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Published: Jul 31, 2008
Author: Mike Crowley
Post Date: 2008-07-31 20:42:17 by Christian Soldier
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Are you stocking up on canned goods, gold & silver, ammo etc? I've heard from alot of different sources, that something BIG is gonna take place this September.
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#1. To: Christian Soldier (#0)
And Cigars. It could be a while before you can get a decent Puro again.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Bags of rice. Goes good with fish and wild game.
I'm OK with just the Thompson brand. They go good with Bully Hill Grower's Red wine.
Respectfully, regular listeners to the Art Bell Show, and /or Coat to coast AM have been hearing about the "something big" for years. Do some google searches - at the end of every election cycle, and at certain numerical date combinations, lots of folks see the elevated risk for catastrophy. I personally don't think anything bigger than the usual rqandom events will take place. However I offer my own predictions: Before the end of this year: 1. There will be no fewer than 12 deaths of well known or "famous people" at least 2 will be from unexpected causes. 2. Despite lots of scuttlebutt to the contrary, the American Presidential election will take place - it will go very smoothly with only a few glitches. 3. A new president elect will be selected. ( it will be Obama in a landslide) 4. The amount of oil used by the US, and the price per gallon will continue to decline through the end of the year. Crude oil futures for January delivery will be below $100 by EOY 5. The White Sox will win the world series 6. The Olympics will be marred by scandal 7. An alternative fuel source will attract a massive amount of attention for its promise of abundant cheap fuel 8. 42
What was I thinking?
Beyond mere arms-length surveillance (by downloading blogs, posts, emails, websites, etc.), any group of sufficient size or public influence very likely has at least one agent embedded within. For example, every 1990s militia group over a dozen members was almost guaranteed to have a government agent tasked to it. Today, every RKBA/sovereignty/liberty group with a substantial online presence or a modest real-world existence is infiltrated. Most of these agents remain in the background as local recon, but others are tasked with a more active role to provoke strife and/or sabotage the effectiveness, growth, or reputation of the group. These people are called "agent provocateurs" and "agent saboteurs." Quote: "An agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is a person who secretly disrupts a group's activities from within the group. Agents provocateurs typically represent the interests of another group, or are agents directly assigned to provoke unrest, violence, debate, or argument by or within a group while acting as a member of the group. Historically, agents provocateurs activities have been one operational tactic of labor spies who may also be hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, and/or subvert union activities. Within the United States the COINTELPRO program of the Federal Bureau of Investigation had FBI agents posing as political radicals in order to disrupt the activities of radical political groups in the U.S.,..." Agent Provocateur en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agen t_provocateur Agent saboteurs try to steer the group into increasingly risky or even blantantly illegal acts for the purpose of getting the members arrested of felonies. The continuum of agent provocateur-saboteur was well described by author Ed Butler who had vast experience with undermining domestic communist groups in the 1960s: Quote Revolution is My Profession, Ed Butler (1968) pp.132-133 PENETRATING THE TARGET ORGANIZATION 1) Gather intelligence -- collect names, descriptions and personality peculiarities of everyone you meet within the movement. Learn what you can about plans, attitudes, successes and failures. Get documentary evidence--letters, memos, film, files. Get photographs. Namelists. File frequent reports. 2) Create splits -- on the basis of philosophy, personality, strategy, tactics. Develop a personal following, uphold opposing points of view. Spread rumors. 3) Recruit penetrators -- "duplicate yourself" as often as possible. Bring in and develop other penetrators. But not every penetrator should know the identity of others. This is a cross check on performance, a precaution against double agents, and a safeguard against exposure of all, if one should be caught, or converted. 4) Promote failures -- failure shakes faith. So all operations should be "tipped" in advance, whenever possible. Then a tightly coordinated plan of action from inside and out can be developed to thwart them. When one is in a position of leadership or counsel he may also have opportunities to initiate operations that are foredoomed. Therefore in order to promote failures best, one must work hard within the group to succeed. 5) Depart dramatically -- when it is time to go, do it in the most public, proud way, thereby taking as many people as possible with you. This fascinating paperback is out of print (published by Twin Circle, without any LCCN or ISBN), but a diligent search will find you a copy. _____________ Is every provocative group member an agent provocateur? Of course not. Some people are just naturally contentious and abrasive. Is every risky idea floated the product of an agent saboteur? Again, no. Innocent and well-meaning people can also make overly risky suggestions. What is most important is a person's overall pattern. If they have a history of provocation or apparent sabotage, it is then prudent to focus on them and question his motivations. Here are a few things which may, in toto, point to an embedded agent: No bona-fides: 1) Without a "sponsor" or credible introduction from trusted member 2) Vague or unconfirmable origins Compartmentalization: 1) Different stories/explanations of the same issue to different people 2) Frequent "just-between-us" confidences (whispering campaign) Secrecy: 1) Vague and unsubstantiated place of residence, employment, etc. 2) Unknown daily/monthly schedule, but always available for meetings. Overly helpful, friendly, agreeable: 1) If somebody appears "too good to be true" then they probably are. Creates artificial and needless ties to many members: 1) Leaving items in others' homes for storage 2) An unusual amount of phone/email contact with an unusual number of members Seems to have an excessive amount of time and freedom for group affairs 1) Working career people are busy enough with their own lives When questioned or challenged, will: 1) Question the questioner ("Why are you asking?") 2) Evade the question through misdirection and obfuscation 3) Refuse to answer (often out of feigned indignation) 4) Attempt to smear or discredit the questioner _________________ If a particular member is viewed by several members as suspicious, then they would be wise to conduct a bit of research and intelligence gathering on that person. It very prudent to live by this wise maxim: If there's doubt, there is no doubt. -- Robert de Niro, Ronin Here are several precautionary tips: 1) Check him out on the Internet. A real person will leave behind a wide wake of normal human activity, much of which is findable by using a few search engines: www.peopledata.com www.zabasearch.com www.Intelius.com are good places to start. 2) Photograph and audio record him thoroughly. (Digital voice recorders are inexpensive and downloadable to computer.) 3) Photograph the VIN and license plates of his car. 4) Confirm his residence (hotel or home) by following him there. 5) If he is a local person, it is easy enough to GPS "lo-jack" his car and get a real-time map of his driving. (These systems are available for just a few hundred dollars. Search online for choices.) 6) If he flies in and out of your area, tail him back to the airport and to his boarding gate. (Buy a refundable ticket to any destination. This will get you past the security checkpoint.) Once he has been confirmed boarding his flight, have him covertly "met" at his destination and followed from that airport. (He will likely be very relaxed and sloppy in his home city, figuring that nobody will have gone through the trouble to tail him from out-of-state.) 7) Begin to catalog the suspect's many stories amongst your members to surface the lies told. Agents generally will have a fairly flimsy cover since most groups non-violent, gullible and accepting of new people, especially if they seem amicable and helpful. (Friendliness, however, does not constitute an actual friendship and loyalty.) _________________ I am not encouraging silly paranoia or illegal surveillance techniques, but rather a healthy dose of suspicion and some basic follow-up confirmation. Even if your group is completely innocent of any criminality, it has not likely escaped notice from authorities. They have a history of keeping tabs on all dissent groups, and even steering such towards illegal acts. Once you know who/what to look for, you can isolate or eject the agent provocateur/saboter before he can cause your group any damage.
i don't get it?
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For emphasis. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
i've been hearing the same sorts of warnings for years. whether something big happens or not, it is prudent to go by this motto: it's better to have something and not need it than to need something and not have it. ;)
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it's better to have something and not need it than to need something and not have it. Someone, somewhere along the line, said "It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark". That stuck with me and has served me OK to this point. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
i don't get it? Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy. The secret number of the Universe that explains "it all" is "42".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
ah, that's a good one too.
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Thompson is over priced. I have bought a lot of cigars from them though. They got out of line during the cigar boom and bust and their prices have never gone back down to within reason. I would suggest "JR Cigars" as they have the best reputation and the best prices. Also you don't have to listen to a hard sell from some kid when you're just trying to order a box of cigars. No, I don't want to be on their automatic shipping plan.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
ah ha. i learn something(s) new every day here. ;)
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Glad to be of assistance ma'am. (Tips Hat - thus uncovering the bald spot).
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
This info is out of date. It's simply not possible to organize and execute any group or action below the RADAR and without penetration by adversarial interests. Don't even try. Don't even think about it or discuss it, not even in a hypothetical exchange. The simple truth is, even a most trusted member can roll over if caught and facing enough hard time, and there's no way to know if that has happened until you're sharing a zip code and wardrobe with Jim Traficant or Ted Kaczynski. America is reaching critical mass and a spontaneous uprising will have the only chance of restoring freedom. Plotters and schemers are beaten before they start by technology and the generally low moral character and absence of values of the people. Even your own relatives who can read your body language and just know instinctively that you're "up to something" will not be trustworthy once their social security is at risk. The nuclear family by definition includes electronic spies who are unknown to you and yours, But, believe me, they are everywhere.
Don't even try. Don't even think about it or discuss it, not even in a hypothetical exchange. That's the truth. Check your networks. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
America is reaching critical mass and a spontaneous uprising will have the only chance of restoring freedom. Plotters and schemers are beaten before they start by technology and the generally low moral character and absence of values of the people. Even your own relatives who can read your body language and just know instinctively that you're "up to something" will not be trustworthy once their social security is at risk. The boomers represent 25% of AmeriKa now.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#2. To: Christian Soldier (#0)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#3. To: Original_Intent (#1)
#4. To: Christian Soldier (#0)
Are you stocking up on canned goods, gold & silver, ammo etc? I've heard from alot of different sources, that something BIG is gonna take place this September.
#5. To: Christian Soldier, All (#0)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#6. To: WhiteGuy (#4)
8. 42
#7. To: X-15 (#5)
(Friendliness, however, does not constitute an actual friendship and loyalty.)
#8. To: Christian Soldier (#0)
#9. To: christine (#8)
i've been hearing the same sorts of warnings for years. whether something big happens or not, it is prudent to go by this motto:
#10. To: christine (#6)
8. 42
#11. To: Rotara (#9)
"It wasn't raining when Noah built the Ark". That stuck with me and has served me OK to this point. ;-)
#12. To: Christian Soldier (#3)
I'm OK with just the Thompson brand. They go good with Bully Hill Grower's Red wine.
#13. To: Original_Intent (#10)
#14. To: christine (#13)
#15. To: X-15 (#5)
#16. To: HOUNDDAWG (#15)
It's simply not possible to organize and execute any group or action below the RADAR and without penetration by adversarial interests.
#17. To: HOUNDDAWG (#15)
The simple truth is, even a most trusted member can roll over if caught and facing enough hard time, and there's no way to know if that has happened until you're sharing a zip code and wardrobe with Jim Traficant or Ted Kaczynski.
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