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Title: Ramos and Compean Lose 5th Circuit Court Appeal
Source: JBS
URL Source: http://jbs.org/index.php/jbs-news-f ... -lose-5th-circuit-court-appeal
Published: Jul 31, 2008
Author: Ann Shibler
Post Date: 2008-07-31 23:34:00 by farmfriend
Keywords: None
Views: 535
Comments: 48

Ramos and Compean Lose 5th Circuit Court Appeal

Written by Ann Shibler Thursday, 31 July 2008 10:45

In a fresh outrage, the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals has rendered a 46-page decision upholding the convictions of Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean.

All convictions were affirmed except those for tampering with official proceedings, which has been remanded for resentencing. In his opinion Judge E. Grady Jolly (a Reagan appointee) wrote: “We leave the major conviction with the major sentence … untouched.” He continued, “The underlying crime of violence with which the defendants were charged is assault within the special territorial jurisdiction of the United States. Once the defendants were charged by the government and convicted by the jury under this statute, the district court had no discretion but to impose at least a ten-year sentence.”

Court observer Edd Hendee’s analysis raises some concerns. Being present at the December 2007 hearing Hendee says this overly late decision — which should have been rendered in 60 days, not eight months — is not compelling and contains “conflicts of common sense and clear intent of the law.”

Hendee recorded these observations back at the December 2007 hearing:

• Judge Jolly openly stated it “does seem the Government over-reacted” in this prosecution"
• All 3 judges aggressively went after the 924C gun charges pointing out that there are no other cases where law enforcement officers were charged with this crime
• Judge Higginbotham asked U.S. attorney if every policeman who was accused of using unreasonable force should face 924 C charges or were they discretionary; Judges strongly disagreed with the application of the 924C charges.
• The judges further raised questions that the witness Davilla was not a low level mule but routinely ran drugs and would have likely carried a weapon in the daily activities of smuggling drugs.
• There was NO indication that the judges considered the U.S. Attorney’s discretion reasonable or that the 924C gun charges were warranted.

Regardless of their sentiments back in 2007, the court has raised a red flag with their opinion, and by not agreeing that the defendants should have been able to introduce evidence of Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila’s second alleged drug-trafficking incident in October 2005 (months after the February 2005 incident.) And regardless of their own 60-day goal for reaching a decision, the black robes’ eight-month hiatus could also be viewed with great suspicion, given that their previous statements are contradicted by their conclusion, that:

For the most part, the trial of this case was about credibility, and although the jury could have gone either way, it chose not to believe the defendants’ version of the crucial events of February 17. The trial of the case was conducted fairly and without reversible error.

Heartbreakingly, Ramos and Compean remain in solitary confinement, their wives and families devastated emotionally and financially.

Unless enough pressure comes to bear on the White House, this stomach-wrenching affair may never be righted. Pardons and commutations are political and not based on merit. So, even with top republicans now demanding a commutation, the White House continues to sidestep the issue. When Sen. John Cornyn approached White House spokeswoman Dana Perino on the subject, she responded: "There is a process in which people in our country can ask a president of the United States for a commutation of their sentence and that process can take place if those individuals want it to."

How likely is a presidential pardon? The answer: not very. While the president found time to pardon his pal, Scooter Libby, and to contemplate pre-emptive pardons for administration officials in the increasingly unlikely event Congress might demand accountability for wrongdoing in the areas of torture and illegal wiretapping, he is unlikely to get around to pardoning officers Ramos and Compean.

Petitions for commutations are submitted to the Justice Department for investigation and review, but the Justice Department is presently two or three years behind in authorizing the first step of investigations. Meanwhile, the most egregious perversion of the American legal system in recent memory remains, a mockery of the idea of justice.

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#10. To: farmfriend (#0)

I understand that the guy who got shot was an illegal but, unless I am mistaken, they guy was also unarmed and was running away from the 2 heroes. Also, there was no way for the 2 heroes to know that the guy running from them was in illegal. What if he was an American?

How comfortable is everyone with the idea of uniformed G-men shooting unarmed civilians in the ass?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-01   8:45:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#10)

You just cited the government version. They gave him immunity to lie under oath.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-08-01   11:00:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: farmfriend (#11)

I believe that the guy did get shot in the ass, didn't he. Someone shot him. Is there any doubt as of who did the shooting?

On the 'whom' R&C shot and why... hmmm... is it okay to shoot someone you don't know IN THE BACK (ass) while the guy is unarmed and running away from you, just because you are 'the authorities'? What was the Mex guy going to do while he had his back turned at them and running? Fart in their general direction?

Of course, the 2 are pawns, the products of a police state culture. Remember the guy killed by 'the authorities' as he was running away from them, probably frightened by their sexy black overalls and dark glasses? His guilt was that of being a bit mentally unstable and did not COMPLETELY freeze when 'the authorities' commanded him to do so.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-01   11:10:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)

He should have been shot in the head with R&C given an immediately promotion.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-08-01   11:17:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#13) (Edited)

A cop supporting the police state... should anyone be surprised?

Now, if you were off your (legal?) meds, you would have noticed the facts:

- 2 armed cops should an unarmed guy in the ass, while the guy was running away from them.
- the cops didn't know if the guy was a Mexican, an American, mentally will or training for the Olympic decathlon, but they shot him anyway.

Hmmm... yeah. They acted professionally, it seems. They deserve a promotion.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-01   11:31:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#15)

A cop supporting the police state... should anyone be surprised?

When Homeland Security immunizes a major drug dealer so that he can testify against the border agents from whom he admittedly fled, the notion that the North American Union and it’s associated flood of narcotics are a a given. By me supporting R&C, I opposes the very police state you say I support. But given your attraction to black political community activists, I'm not surprised by your confusion.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-08-01   12:37:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Jethro Tull (#19) (Edited)

The immunization happened after the guy was shot. You stated that he should have been shot in the head, BEFORE the gov't immunized him.

I see a lot of problems with your thinking.

One of them is the time sequence of events. The other is your support of cops' 'right' to shoot unarmed people in the back. Then, you seem to say that the cops should be viewed as innocent or heroes for shooting someone in the back BECAUSE the gov't immunized a foreign drug dealer AFTER they shot him. Maybe these people should walk free on this technicality but that does not make them good border agents and certainly does not make them heroes.

Again, keep in mind that they did not know EXACTLY whom they were shooting. It could have been you. How would you feel about this incident if you had to reply to this post while lying on your stomach because some cops shot off your ass?

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-01   12:53:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#20)

Invaders should be shot in the back, head, ears, nose and other assorted body parts. If illegal invaders are to be discouraged, that's the fastest, most cost effective way to protect he nation. Of course this won't happen b/c people are all talk, and in the end they'll turn their back on these men and bow to the govt. in the form of Homeland Security.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-08-01   13:05:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#21)

You still don't get it. They did not know that the guy was 'invader'. They just shot someone in the back.

And, anyways, you should blame your government for practically inviting these people in and your fellow landscaper for hiring them.

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-01   13:22:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#23)

You still don't get it. They did not know that the guy was 'invader'. They just shot someone in the back.

Gee, probable cause works for me; a fleeing Hispanic at the border, refusing numerous orders from a uniformed officer to stop - no doubt yelled out in Spanish. Hey, lets debate the virtue of open borders if you like, but if you want them closed, shooting invaders (he was in fact one) is a foolproof solution.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-08-01   13:42:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull, christine, a vast rightwing conspirator, Rotara (#28)

Gee, probable cause works for me; a fleeing Hispanic at the border, refusing numerous orders from a uniformed officer to stop - no doubt yelled out in Spanish. Hey, lets debate the virtue of open borders if you like, but if you want them closed, shooting invaders (he was in fact one) is a foolproof solution.

If the shooting of a fleeing and unarmed subject is out of policy then it wasn't justified. That would explain why the agents picked up the brass and failed to file the report.

They knew they were wrong. In fact we all know that border agents don't shoot anyone fleeing back across the border, with exceptions for violent felons who shot or otherwise harmed one of the agents for instance.

And when the agents' own people turned on them and prosecuted why should Americans give them the benefit of any doubt? If a cop or govt agent decides that the evidence in his favor isn't weighty enough he can forget to file the report. But, if caught then Americans should rally to their defense? Who does that benefit but psycho, trigger happy cops?

Should NYPD have backed the cop who sodomized the man with a toilet plunger? Or, at some point do they say, "He's no damn good and he's a liability to others!"? When your own people turn on you then you're no damn good. (except Serpico of course)

Marijuana is America's number one cash crop, and no one should be shot for smuggling Mexican swag into the country. After all, those who payoff get clean away with it.

Perhaps this guy tried to slip a load in without paying the Border Patrol Tax on it and, you're arguing for a couple of dirty agents on the take who do indeed belong in prison. If that was the case you wouldn't know it. Would you?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-08-01   14:07:19 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: HOUNDDAWG (#34) (Edited)

Ramos and Compean testified that Davila turned and pointed what looked like a gun to them. Forensics confirms Ramos and Compean’s testimony. It is ONLY the word of Davila, the drug smuggler, that the government relies on to conclude he, Davila, did not have a gun.

From White Trash Smiley Sutton and carried by aztlan.net (figures);

There was no credible evidence that the agents were in a life-threatening situation or that Aldrete, the Mexican alien, had a weapon that would justify the use of deadly force. In fact, Border Patrol Agent Juarez, who was at the scene, testified at trial that he did not draw his pistol because he did not believe there was a threat. He also testified that Aldrete did not have a weapon and was almost to Mexico when Agent Compean began firing at him.

In America, law enforcement officers do not get to shoot unarmed suspects who are running away, lie about it to their supervisors and file official reports that are false. That is a crime and prosecutors cannot look the other way.

From World Net Daily:

Three Border Patrol agents, who were given immunity to testify against fellow agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean in the Feb. 17, 2005, shooting of a drug-smuggling suspect as he fled across the U.S.-Mexico border, are no longer with the agency because they changed their accounts of the incident several times.

Removal documents for the proposed firing of agents David Jaquez and Arturo Vasquez were issued on Jan. 29, the Ontario Inland Valley Daily Bulletin reported. A third agent, Oscar Juarez, reportedly resigned from the agency last month shortly before he was to be fired.

And that’s just one of many indiscrepencies in this case.

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