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Title: 'Provocative' Mars data shows 'potential for life'--White House alerted by NASA of major announcement soon (World Net Daily)
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WND THE FINAL FRONTIER 'Provocative' Mars data shows 'potential for life' White House alerted by NASA of major announcement soon Posted: August 02, 2008 7:10 pm Eastern

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Soil-sampling trench dug by Phoenix lander Soil-sampling trench dug by Phoenix lander

This week's confirmation by NASA that the Phoenix lander had confirmed the presence of water ice on Mars was just the tip of the iceberg.

Sources say other "provocative" and "complex" data, not disclosed in Thursday's announcement and not yet discussed openly by NASA officials associated with the Phoenix program, show that the red planet has "potential for life."

So hush-hush have been the latest findings that NASA excluded the Jet Propulsion Laboratory science team for the wet-chemistry instrument that made the findings from the news conference to prevent them from being asked questions before an announcement is made, Aviation Week & Space Technology reported.

NASA has briefed the science adviser's office of the White House ahead of what is expected to be a mid-August announcement, although sources said the revelations may not be made public until September.

While the announcement of the confirmation of water's presence on Mars was widely reported, scientists were not surprised and had expected the result.

"They have discovered water on Mars for the third or fourth time," a senior Mars scientist told Aviation Week.

The Microscopy, Electrochemistry and Conductivity Analyzer team, announced last month, following the first of four wet chemistry experiments, that Mars soil chemistry is "Earth-like" and capable of supporting life.

Now, following the second MECA soil test, NASA and the University of Arizona are making efforts to keep the findings from being made public until an official announcement is made.

(Story continues below)

Rather than the mere presence of water, scientists are looking for how water and the Martian soil behave together. This week, after two attempts, the Phoenix scoop successfully deposited a sample of soil and ice into the Thermal and Evolved-Gas Analyzer, where it was heated to 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit so the released gases can be evaluated. Analysis will take several weeks.

An earlier electrical short that threatened the TEGA experiments has resolved itself, William Boynton, TEGA principal investigator from the University of Arizona, said.

From the beginning, scientists working on the Phoenix project have said that neither the TEGA organic chemistry lab nor the MECA wet chemistry system would be able to detect the presence of life, either current or past, but two microscopes on the MECA analyzer can resolve features as small as 10 nanometers, sufficient to detect bacteria.


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#59. To: buckeye (#1)

Blue beam comes to mind

I think "blue beam" is bullshit meant to divert attention in the event there IS any significant development in the near future.

It works especially well with the holy rollers I've noticed.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-04   1:58:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: buckeye, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, Uncle Bill, Bill D Berger, aristedeis, honway, swarthyguy (#31)

The enemies of liberty might just be some of the chemtrail/aliens/fluoride/no-planes types.

The enemies of liberty ARE those who deny the very real nature of the damage caused by fluoride, where top microbiologists and biophysicists have stated the dangers posed by fluoridation, yet people like you try to pass it off as akin to worrying about those "precious bodily fluids" mentioned in some arcane old movie.

That was a classic psyop in that it conditioned people to ridicule anyone who dared warn them about the dangers they were facing, where those who were trying to pass off poison as a nutrient would be ensured continued success with their plans.

You also dismiss any evidence contrary to your religious belief that the official government conspiracy story in regards to 9/11 is true.

You lump global warming and UFOs into the mix for added effect.

You sir, in my book, are a shill. I see little farmfriend came along to provide you some backup. Gee whiz, why am I not surprised.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-04   2:06:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: FormerLurker (#56)

Is that the "abundant proof" you're referring to?

I said evidence, I didn't say proof.

Dismiss Jesus Christ as the Son of God at your own peril.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-08-04   2:12:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: wudidiz (#11)

I believe in God.

So do I, but not the God of any organized religion. The God I believe in is that which created the Universe, and beyond.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-04   2:13:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: FormerLurker, ALL (#60)


"Make religion attractive, make good men wish it were true, and then show that it is.
Worthy of reverence because it really understands human nature.
Attractive because it promises true good." ~ Pascal

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-04   2:15:59 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: FormerLurker, buckeye, wudidiz, TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, Uncle Bill, Bill D Berger, aristedeis, honway, swarthyguy (#60)

I see little farmfriend came along to provide you some backup. Gee whiz, why am I not surprised.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-08-04   2:16:33 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: RickyJ (#61)

Dismiss Jesus Christ as the Son of God at your own peril.

Dismiss God himself at YOUR own peril. We are ALL sons and daughters of God, so you see, I don't believe the words of those who killed he who was named Jesus, as it is THEY who wrote the books you call the New Testament.

You know, the ROMANS killed Jesus, and it is THEY who started the Roman Catholic Church, who gathered the letters of the apostles and transcribed them, or so it is said.

Myself, I look at the acts and deeds of those who claim to be christian, versus their words.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-04   2:16:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: FormerLurker (#62)

I believe in God.

So do I, but not the God of any organized religion. The God I believe in is that which created the Universe, and beyond.

Me too.

I do try to remain open-minded to all these ideas without fear of the truth or lies.

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer


"Make religion attractive, make good men wish it were true, and then show that it is.
Worthy of reverence because it really understands human nature.
Attractive because it promises true good." ~ Pascal

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-04   2:19:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: farmfriend, wudidiz, Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#64)

Exactly. You were trying to portray those who view 9/11 as an inside job or who are concerned about chemtrails as nuts, or enemies of liberty purposely derailing those who are fighting the evil NWO.

Myself, I think you ARE doing whatever you can to sabatoge any real progress of freedom minded people in any area that the NWO might be concerned about.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-04   2:20:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: FormerLurker (#65)

Hey, you stole my tag-line font.


"Make religion attractive, make good men wish it were true, and then show that it is.
Worthy of reverence because it really understands human nature.
Attractive because it promises true good." ~ Pascal

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-04   2:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: farmfriend (#64)

I saw your bum.


"Make religion attractive, make good men wish it were true, and then show that it is.
Worthy of reverence because it really understands human nature.
Attractive because it promises true good." ~ Pascal

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-04   2:24:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: FormerLurker (#67)

You were trying to portray those who view 9/11 as an inside job or who are concerned about chemtrails as nuts,

Sigh, I did no such thing.

Myself, I think you ARE doing whatever you can to sabatoge any real progress of freedom minded people in any area that the NWO might be concerned about.

Really? That's why I spent my 4 of July holiday passing out anti NAU literature. That's why I actually visit my legislative offices fighting Real ID etc. Tell me, other than post here, what do you do?


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-08-04   2:24:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: wudidiz (#69)

I saw your bum.

It was good for me was it good for you?


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-08-04   2:25:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: farmfriend (#71)

It was good for me was it good for you?

It was okay.


"Make religion attractive, make good men wish it were true, and then show that it is.
Worthy of reverence because it really understands human nature.
Attractive because it promises true good." ~ Pascal

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-04   2:26:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: wudidiz (#72)

It was okay.

Damn I'll have to try harder next time.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-08-04   2:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: farmfriend (#73)

I wasn't complaining.

chemtrails exist


""There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-04   2:29:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: All (#74)

I changed my tag-line. Again.

How'd ya like them apples?

Huh?

Hey?

That's right.

Put that in your pipe 'n' smoke it.


""There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-04   2:31:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: wudidiz (#75)

Put that in your pipe 'n' smoke it.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-08-04   2:35:56 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: wudidiz (#68)

Hey, you stole my tag-line font.

I saw it first... :)


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-04   2:36:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: farmfriend (#70)

Tell me, other than post here, what do you do?

None of your business.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-04   2:36:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: FormerLurker (#78)

None of your business.

Then I suggest you stop throwing stones.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-08-04   2:46:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: FormerLurker (#77)

Now mine's bigger.


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-04   2:50:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: wudidiz (#80)

It's darker too, but that goes hand in hand from what I've heard...


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-04   2:53:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: farmfriend (#79)

Then I suggest you stop throwing stones.

Oh, so if I don't tell you exactly who I am or what I do, then everything you say must be true, and everything I say must be a lie, right?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-04   2:54:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: FormerLurker (#82)

Oh, so if I don't tell you exactly who I am or what I do, then everything you say must be true, and everything I say must be a lie, right?

I think you enjoy twisting what I say, making it into something it isn't.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-08-04   9:12:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: TwentyTwelve, wudidiz (#55)

Are you saying [chemtrails] don't?

I don't recall writing that. I suggested that they might not be what Wud thinks they are. Here's a plan for getting an answer:

  1. Get a liberty-minded government in place.
  2. Appeal to the government to appoint a commission of experts to study the problem.
In parallel, you can conduct your own research, if you're qualified. Get it in front of as many other experts as possible for their commentary.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-04   18:09:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: FormerLurker (#57)

I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that's up for sale, you can send me the money via PayPal..

Maybe you should stick to discussing your own opinions.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-04   18:12:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: FormerLurker, farmfriend (#64)

I'd say that the common ground farmfiend and I have is mutually despising our media overlords who have told us to:

  1. accept the yoke of global government to "save the earth."
  2. and to dream of aliens uniting us under one banner of leadership, either with their conditional gifts of superior values and technologies, or in resistance to their onslaught against our species.
We've both decoded the message as "prepare to accept slavery."

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-04   18:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: buckeye, FormerLurker (#86) (Edited)

I'd say that the common ground farmfiend and I have is...

And there in lies victory, finding the common ground and working together rather than treating each other as enemies. Divide and conquor is what "they" want. Why give it to them.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-08-04   19:58:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: farmfriend (#87)

What unites us is freedom. Most of the rest is dross.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-04   20:18:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: buckeye, TwentyTwelve (#84)

(TT) Are you saying [chemtrails] don't?

I don't recall writing that. I suggested that they might not be what Wud thinks they are.

You said you weren't surprised that I think aliens could have been involved in 9/11 because I believe in chemtrails.

They are aerosol spraying with particles of heavy metals among other things.

Do you disagree?

Here's a plan for getting an answer:

1. Get a liberty-minded government in place. 2. Appeal to the government to appoint a commission of experts to study the problem.

In parallel, you can conduct your own research, if you're qualified. Get it in front of as many other experts as possible for their commentary.

I agree with that although I don't have a lot of faith that it will work.

Just to clarify about the aliens. There is enough evidence that they exist that I don't think it's wise to rule out the possibility that they do. Therefore, given that they could be here/have been here then it stands to reason that they could have been involved in 9/11.

I don't think there's anything really wrong with discussing it. Especially on this forum and on this thread.


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-04   22:18:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: gengis gandhi (#0)

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20080804/D92BO4A00.html

Aug 4, 6:23 PM (ET)

By ALICIA CHANG

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Scientists say the Phoenix spacecraft has found a substance in the Martian soil that might be detrimental to possible life.

If confirmed, it could mean the soil may not be as friendly as once thought.

Scientists previously reported that the soil where Phoenix landed in May was Earth-like, containing nutrients such as magnesium, sodium and chloride.

The latest lab tests show the presence of an oxidizing substance.

NASA is investigating whether the substance could have gotten there by contamination.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-04   22:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: buckeye, farmfriend, wudidiz (#86) (Edited)

and to dream of aliens uniting us under one banner of leadership

I don't think too many people in their right minds believe that they are here for that reason. They are here for their own, as of yet unknown, reasons.

They might be time travelers, or have been here for as long as we have. They might want to eat us, or any combination of the above plus more, as there could well be various civilizations visiting us, or aware of us.

You fit the mold of the "right thinking" person, who thinks he's right, and anyone that disagrees with him is wrong. I find your manner of "debate" curious, to say the least.

You say you and farmfriend share a common ground. Well, that could well be true, but not for the reasons you describe.


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-05   0:29:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: farmfriend (#87)

Divide and conquor is what "they" want. Why give it to them.

And who exactly is "them"?


"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-08-05   0:30:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: wudidiz (#75)

i liked your, "Don't fall asleep on the bus." it made me laugh.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-08-05   0:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: christine (#93)

Hahahaha...

Thank you.



DON'T FALL ASLEEP ON THE BUS


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-05   1:14:54 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: christine (#93)


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-05   1:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: FormerLurker, farmfriend (#92)

And who exactly is "them"?


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-05   1:32:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: FormerLurker (#96)

Dear me, check out the chick getting eaten.


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-05   1:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: wudidiz (#96)

thanks for the humor.


"You have delusions of adequacy."

farmfriend  posted on  2008-08-05   1:42:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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