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Title: Why is the dispute over South Ossetia so critical? (Video)
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CNN - Yahoo
URL Source: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/pla ... cl=9217951&ch=4226714&src=news
Published: Aug 10, 2008
Author: Josh Levs
Post Date: 2008-08-10 13:35:07 by Rotara
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Views: 398
Comments: 26
Poster Comment: It's all Globalist corp.gov B.S. sinking the whole world into war. Bast*rds.
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#1. To: Rotara (#0)
Thanks for the linkage - most helpful.
Good vid. I never understood the push to extend NATO right up to the border of Russia. It seems to me a complete provocation, not that Russia is right in this latest incident. The question now is what will the NATO states do about the old, new Russia? I don't think much as we have lost most, if not all, moral standing in the world.
Are you implying that Russia was wrong in this situation with Georgia? Or do you mean that you don't want to be perceived as saying Russia was right because you have not yet reached a firm opinion?
YW ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
From what I can tell, there are many layers here but the most important factors right now (IMO) are the pending attack on Iran and NATO expansion. South Ossetians are merely pawns. If they decided tomorrow to break away from Georgia and North Ossetians decided to join them by breaking away from Russia to form a new Independent nation (with nuclear energy rights!), every last Ossetian would be dead in short order. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
As I understand it there is a providence in North Georgia that is more closely aligned w/Russia than Georgia. The squabble began there and Russia has now extended the fight (invasion) into Georgia, which is a sovereign nation. Behind it all is oil and what appears to be a more nationalistic Russia flexing it's muscle.
It appears to be Russia's time to re constitute the evil empire using the same phraseology (peacekeepers, preemption) that GWB used when he wandered into the ME. We seem to be doing a fast rewind to the Cold War, circa 1975.
Watch closely what Abkhazia (another breakaway province inside of Georgia which also wants Independence and has massed troops to fight) does. If they open a second front, Georgia may be entirely gobbled back up by Russia. There are no good players in this, nor in fact on the world stage right now. In fact, with total air supremacy, it's a joke. Which points to 'why?' and 'why now?'. -->NATO and Iran imo. The wild card in all of this to me is Turkey. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
The Georgians are an embarrassment here. Either the Russian armed forces have gotten way better recently or the Chechens were some really world-class guerrilla fighters. It took Russia YEARS and TWO INVASIONS to finally quell that rebellion. That's why Putin became so popular. He finally "won" there. And I suppose it is why the so-called "West" (Illuminati, I call this concept) thought he would be more cooperative in its phony, false-flag-spurred "Global War on Terror." The pathetic Georgian president who went to law school in the U.S. has single-handedly turned me against Georgia, not that I had much sympathy with them to begin with. He is a total joke. He almost makes the Chimp look good. If he wants to be part of "The West," he should have stayed in New York. Even George Soros has got to be $h!ttin' his britches over how awful this guy is.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
I saw him being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer today on CNN. Yes, he appeared to be "our guy", and scared sh*tless to boot.
The may adds a good perspective to the mess. So much for NATOs hopes of including Georgia in their silly expansionist scheme.
Why not? With the EU/NAU-NATO expanding and challenging them, they've had enough. And, who in their right mind really DOES want Putin monopolizing energy for that hemisphere? On top of that, Zbig's boy Fobama has a whole bunch of strategerizing going to happen over there; decades of pent up new world order plans to complete. Georgia's #1 said it all yesterday: "..we are also fighting for world peace and we are also fighting for future world order.." Do you see what I see? ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Abkhazia moves to flush out Georgian troops
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I suppose our pols can bag all that silly talk about America being the world's lone super power.
Eff NATO. UNConstitutional Bull Shit. ;-) "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I feel strongly that 8-8-8 was the chosen day to truly begin the next world war. If NATO comes to the rescue, it will start with planes flying to stop Russian bombing of all things Georgian (including the oil pipelines that Russia had missed yesterday). "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I believe Incirlik is one of those that we would have to have "permission" to do so, from the Turkish government, which most likely would not be given.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
North Georgia or better known for the past 26 years as South Ossetia won de facto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992 [ Wash Post]. South Ossetia strongly identifies with Russia - I mean that in a good way to Russia - the South Ossetians like and want Russia in their lives - its population speak Russian; South Ossetia uses Russian currency, and the people of South Ossetia have Russian passports issued to them for travel. Russia has had peacekeepers in the buffer zone between Georgia and South Ossetia for years. But because of South Ossetia's emerging profile as related to positioning of oil pipelines and the desire of DC/Tel Aviv to re-route oil pipelines to bypass Russia via Turkey, together with Georgia's nationalistic desire to reclaim South Ossetia came to a head this week. Georgia attacked South Ossetia and killed 12 Russian peacekeepers along with South Ossetian personnel and civilians. So you can see that Russia did not have much choice re: how it needed to respond to this incident. Twelve Russian peacekeepers were plugged by Georgia. Well, duh, what did the sock puppet President of Georgia think Medvedev would do in those circumstances? Hello! That Russia is pushing Georgia back and crossing its borders with a massive show of force is justified, imo, because Georgia crossed the line big time not only in its aggression against an ally of Russia's and one that shares a border with Russia, as well as Georgia's willful murder of Russian peacekeeper-nationals, as well as Georgia's game playing with the DC/Tel Aviv/Turkey junta. I think Russia may also want to send a message to the ZioNeo chickenhawks about their plans to attack Iran through the way it is handling Georgia now. The message is "Shove those plans where the sun don't shine." Iran does a lot of business with Russia and has become an ally of sorts in Russia's mind and Iran also shares a border with Russia. So now Russia wants to crush Georgia in a spectacular unforgiving fashion to tell the goon squad at DC/Tel Aviv - "don't bring war to my neighborhood and don't mess with my friends because I will not stand for it." The bear has been awakened from its sleep and now the bear is pis*ed, bigtime. We live in interesting times. Postscript: I'm not pro-Russian per se. But in this dispute with Georgia that GEORGIA CAUSED, I think Russia has good reasons for reacting the way it is to the gauntlet that was thrown at its feet by The Usual Suspects and their sock puppet surrogate, the President of Georgia.
So you can see that Russia did not have much choice re: how it needed to respond to this incident. Twelve Russian peacekeepers were plugged by Georgia. Well, duh, what did the sock puppet President of Georgia think Medvedev would do in those circumstances? Hello! That Russia is pushing Georgia back and crossing its borders with a massive show of force is justified, imo, because Georgia crossed the line big time not only in its aggression against an ally of Russia's and one that shares a border with Russia, as well as Georgia's willful murder of Russian peacekeeper-nationals You must have supported Israel in their war against hizbollah then, too? ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
No I did not as a matter of fact. How is Israel's unprovoked attack on the sovereign nation of Lebanon comparable to what's going on between Georgia and Russia? Lebanon's military did not take Israel's soldiers hostage. Hezbollah has some elected representatives in the government of Lebanon but in the context you are using the term Hezbollah, you mean Hezbollah as the para-military organization that has no relationship to the Lebanese government or its military. Russia's peace keepers were keeping "the peace" in the buffer zone between Georgia and South Ossetia, which has won its independence in 1992 from Georgia. Then this week after 16 years of "peace", the military of the government of Georgia attacked South Ossetia to try to reclaim it and in the course of the attack, the government of Georgia killed 12 Russian nationals who were peace keepers. I see no similarity between Israel's attack on Lebanon to what's happening between Russia and Georgia.
Haaaaaaahahaha! Good one and NICE try. Bologna. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I see one thing in common: Israel pulls us into conflicts where we don't belong, and NATO is also dragging us into conflicts where we don't belong. The question is: who cares, and why? The notion that either of these two conflicts matter at all to us is artificial.
Good one and NICE try. Bologna. ;-) Okay, smart guy, go ahead and provide support for your theory that there is similarity between what Israel did to Lebanon a couple of summers ago and what is happening between Russia and Georgia today. Make me a believer and please tell what I said in my previous message that was false/"Bologna."
#2. To: Rotara (#0)
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
not that Russia is right in this latest incident.
#4. To: lodwick (#1)
#5. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
Good vid. I never understood the push to extend NATO right up to the border of Russia. It seems to me a complete provocation, not that Russia is right in this latest incident. The question now is what will the NATO states do about the old, new Russia? I don't think much as we have lost most, if not all, moral standing in the world.
#6. To: scrapper2 (#3)
#7. To: Rotara (#5)
#8. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
#10. To: Sam Houston (#9)
#11. To: Rotara (#8)
#12. To: Jethro Tull (#7)
It appears to be Russia's time to re constitute the evil empire using the same phraseology (peacekeepers, preemption) that GWB used when he wandered into the ME. We seem to be doing a fast rewind to the Cold War, circa 1975.
#13. To: All (#8)
#14. To: Rotara (#12)
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
The may adds a good perspective to the mess. So much for NATOs hopes of including Georgia in their silly expansionist scheme.
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
I suppose our pols can bag all that silly talk about America being the world's lone super power.
#17. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
I suppose our pols can bag all that silly talk about America being the world's lone super power.
#18. To: All (#17)
Would Incirlik (Turkey) be used to send warplanes to Georgia?
#19. To: Rotara (#18)
#20. To: Cynicom (#19)
Turkey has a lot to lose if Georgia's oil pipeline is rendered useless
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#6)
(Edited)
As I understand it there is a providence in North Georgia that is more closely aligned w/Russia than Georgia. The squabble began there and Russia has now extended the fight (invasion) into Georgia, which is a sovereign nation. Behind it all is oil and what appears to be a more nationalistic Russia flexing it's muscle.
#22. To: scrapper2 (#21)
(Edited)
Georgia attacked South Ossetia and killed 12 Russian peacekeepers along with South Ossetian personnel and civilians.
#23. To: Rotara (#22)
You must have supported Israel in their war against hizbollah then, too?
#24. To: scrapper2 (#23)
I see no similarity between Israel's attack on Lebanon to what's happening between Russia and Georgia.
#25. To: Rotara (#24)
#26. To: Rotara (#24)
Haaaaaaahahaha!
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