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Title: Russia keeps up attacks on Georgia
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AFP
URL Source: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5g2qEA2RLR2FsvqDXVbBwwjS1mExw
Published: Aug 10, 2008
Author: afp
Post Date: 2008-08-10 22:52:18 by Rotara
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58 minutes ago TBILISI (AFP) — Russia kept up its attacks on Georgia in the early hours of Monday, brushing aside appeals for a ceasefire after its forces swept through the Georgian rebel region of South Ossetia. Russian planes bombed the base of a special forces battalion and an air traffic control centre in the suburbs of the Georgian capital Tbilisi early on Monday, Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said. The explosions could be heard from the centre of the city. Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili said late Sunday Russian tanks were on Georgian territory outside South Ossetia and Utiashvili said a "massive" aerial bombardment of the central Georgian city Gori was taking place. "Gori is being bombed massively from the air and from artillery as well," said Utiashvili, who added that Tbilisi had reports that Russian troops and tanks were preparing a ground attack. Russian troops "are not there yet but it looks like they are getting ready for it," he said. There was no independent or Russian confirmation, but it would be first time Russian ground forces have moved out of South Ossetia , where the fighting between the two sides has so far been concentrated. Russian planes have bombed targets across Georgia, including a military airport on the outskirts of the capital Tbilisi on Sunday, and Moscow said it had sunk a Georgian naval vessel. Russia said it had taken control of most of South Ossetia from Georgian forces, though the Russian foreign ministry told Interfax news agency that Georgia still had soldiers and tanks in the area. The claim of a new offensive by Russia came after Georgia said it had ended its offensive in South Ossetia and offered a ceasefire and negotiations to Moscow, and as French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner arrived in Tbilisi to spearhead mediation efforts. "Georgia expresses its readiness to immediately start negotiations with the Russian Federation on a ceasefire and termination of hostilities," an official Georgian statement said, adding its troops in South Ossetia had ceased their attacks. US President George W. Bush said Monday he had told Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that the violence in Georgia was "unacceptable". "I said this violence is unacceptable," Bush said in reference to an exchange he had with Putin while they were attending Friday night's opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics. "I expressed my grave concern about the disproportionate response of Russia and that we strongly condemn bombing outside of South Ossetia," he said in a live interview with US broadcaster NBC in Beijing on the final day of his visit to the Chinese capital to watch the Olympics. "I was very firm with Vladimir Putin." After meeting with Saakashvili in Tbilisi on Sunday, Kouchner told reporters that his task was clear. "We must find the means for an immediate ceasefire, accepted by both sides. We must talk about negotiations and a political solution, there is no military solution," he said. The European Union-backed plan calls for an immediate ceasefire, medical access to victims, controlled withdrawals of troops on both sides and eventual political talks. Kouchner was set to travel to Moscow on Monday, where he hopes to meet with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev. European Union foreign ministers are to hold a crisis meeting to discuss the bloc's response to the conflict on Wednesday in Brussels, an EU source told AFP. Russia sent thousands of troops, tanks and air support into South Ossetia on Friday after Georgia launched an offensive to seize control of the province, which broke from Georgia in the early 1990s. The conflict has already forced about 40,000 people from their homes in areas around the conflict zone, an International Committee of the Red Cross spokeswoman told AFP. While Russia put the death toll in South Ossetia at 2,000, estimates of the toll in Georgia ranged from 92 to 150. The general in charge of the Russian army in South Ossetia was also injured by artillery fire, Russian news agency Interfax reported. Georgian officials also claimed Sunday that Russia was bombing areas around another breakaway region, Abkhazia, where the separatist government has declared a state of war in areas populated by Georgians. Russia's armed forces denied plans to move into Abkhazia, in the west of Georgia, but Russian battleships had been moved to the nearby Black Sea. Medvedev described Georgia's military operations in South Ossetia as "genocide," according to Russian news agencies. "They were on a mass scale and were directed against individuals," they reported him as saying. South Ossetia, a patchwork of ethnic Georgian and Ossetian settlements in the mountainous north of the country, has a population of about 70,000, many of whom have been granted Russian passports.
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#1. To: All (#0)
Russian troops "are not there yet but it looks like they are getting ready for it," he said. One thing is for certain. Georgia is completely toast and there will be new management soon.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Saakashvili f'ed up. He allowed his handlers to provoke Putin into a response and Putin apparently has calculated that his, Russia's, best interests dictate handling Saakashvili and his regime terminatedly. Methinks that Putin was expecting this and was prepared with a response already planned out. Georgia is about to again become "Bear Country". The USraelis evidently were trying to use Georgia for another motive and, as usual, bungled it again. My advice to Saakashvili is get out of town while you still can because you can't finish what you started.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
At this point that looks like a safe prediction.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
That's what I'm thinking. Georgia trying to get into NATO was a BIG mistake, and now they're going to pay dearly for it. Not to mention, what a massive black eye for the West. Someone screwed up big time here. I find myself wondering if South Ossetia is going to end up in the same page of the history books as the Archduke Ferdinand...
"Gori is being bombed massively from the air and from artillery as well," said Utiashvili, who added that Tbilisi had reports that Russian troops and tanks were preparing a ground attack.
#2. To: Rotara (#0)
"Georgia expresses its readiness to immediately start negotiations with the Russian Federation on a ceasefire and termination of hostilities," an official Georgian statement said, adding its troops in South Ossetia had ceased their attacks.
#3. To: Rotara (#1)
One thing is for certain. Georgia is completely toast and there will be new management soon.
#4. To: Rotara (#1)
One thing is for certain. Georgia is completely toast and there will be new management soon.
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#5. To: Elliott Jackalope (#4)
I hope you are wrong, but with the degenerate morons in Washington and Tel Aviv I wouldn't bet against you.
I find myself wondering if South Ossetia is going to end up in the same page of the history books as the Archduke Ferdinand...
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#6. To: All (#0)
"I said this violence is unacceptable," Bush said in reference to an exchange he had with Putin while they were attending Friday night's opening ceremony of the Beijing Olympics. "I expressed my grave concern about the disproportionate response of Russia and that we strongly condemn bombing outside of South Ossetia," he said in a live interview with US broadcaster NBC in Beijing on the final day of his visit to the Chinese capital to watch the Olympics. "I was very firm with Vladimir Putin." For the record, Jorge approved of the War against Serbia. What a di*khead.
US President George W. Bush said Monday he had told Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin that the violence in Georgia was "unacceptable".
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#7. To: Rotara (#6)
Jorge, the dry drunk moron, Boosch simply parrots what his handlers tell him to say. "And yes, your honor, he is a di*khead."
For the record, Jorge approved of the War against Serbia. What a di*khead.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#8. To: Original_Intent (#2)
My advice to Saakashvili is get out of town while you still can because you can't finish what you started. Sure looks dead on accurate and good advice. I have to believe though that there exists the possibility that a catastrophic loss was known before starting. If so, what's next? NATO flying out of Incirlik to stop the bombing? There's action all over Georgia now, with Abkhazia working a second front.
Saakashvili f'ed up. He allowed his handlers to provoke Putin into a response and Putin apparently has calculated that his, Russia's, best interests dictate handling Saakashvili and his regime terminatedly. Methinks that Putin was expecting this and was prepared with a response already planned out. Georgia is about to again become "Bear Country". The USraelis evidently were trying to use Georgia for another motive and, as usual, bungled it again.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#9. To: Original_Intent (#3)
At this point that looks like a safe prediction. I still can't believe they 'rolled the dice' on this. Can't be that simple. Too stupid, even for the neobots.
One thing is for certain. Georgia is completely toast and there will be new management soon.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#10. To: Elliott Jackalope (#4)
If this wasn't a screw up, then 8-8-8 might be forever known as the day the last World War started. As if anyone will be around to talk about it for very long.
Someone screwed up big time here. I find myself wondering if South Ossetia is going to end up in the same page of the history books as the Archduke Ferdinand...
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#11. To: Original_Intent (#7)
mcGabe is on the way. It might could get much worse.
Jorge, the dry drunk moron, Boosch simply parrots what his handlers tell him to say. "And yes, your honor, he is a di*khead."
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#12. To: Rotara (#8)
Actually I think they did miscalculate and expected less of a total response to the provocation. Also I don't think the planners of this event expected the Bear to roll in with quite as much force as Putin has put into play. My guess is that Putin calculated that he: A. Had to respond forcefully. B. Had to complete the operation quickly which mean't a completely overwhelming response. Remember that the Russians have been the dominant force in World Chess, saving the brief reign of Bobby Fisher, for the last 5 decades. I would be willing to bet that Putin would qualify as a Grandmaster. Jorge probably can't name all the pieces and wouldn't know a Ruy Lopez from a King's Indian. Putin is moving to control the center of the board and doing a good job of it. The USraeli's took the "Poisoned Pawn".
I have to believe though that there exists the possibility that a catastrophic loss was known before starting.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#13. To: Rotara (#9)
Actually I think they are THAT stoopid. I think strategically Putin is in a different class. They have, so far, only faced situations where they could escape because they controlled the media and hit Iraq with overwhelming fire power. Criminals, regardless of their Tailor, are basically stupid thugs and cannot conceive that someone else might be enough smarter to completely confound them. They just met their master.
I still can't believe they 'rolled the dice' on this. Can't be that simple. Too stupid, even for the neobots.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#14. To: Original_Intent (#12)
A. Had to respond forcefully. B. Had to complete the operation quickly which mean't a completely overwhelming response. Remember that the Russians have been the dominant force in World Chess, saving the brief reign of Bobby Fisher, for the last 5 decades. I would be willing to bet that Putin would qualify as a Grandmaster. Jorge probably can't name all the pieces and wouldn't know a Ruy Lopez from a King's Indian. Putin is moving to control the center of the board and doing a good job of it. The USraeli's took the "Poisoned Pawn". That certainly is the odds on favorite. It's just that the neos have a couple Zbigissinger clowns that THINK they're chess masters, too. ;-)
Actually I think they did miscalculate and expected less of a total response to the provocation. Also I don't think the planners of this event expected the Bear to roll in with quite as much force as Putin has put into play. My guess is that Putin calculated that he:
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
#15. To: Rotara (#14)
Correct, they THINK they are Chess Masters, but are in the process of receiving some advanced tutoring. Unfortunately the lesson will likely escape them. On second thought, make that fortunately the lesson WILL escape them.
It's just that the neos have a couple Zbigissinger clowns that THINK they're chess masters, too. ;-)
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
#16. To: Original_Intent (#15)
On second thought, make that fortunately the lesson WILL escape them. News Analysis - In Georgia and Russia, a Perfect Brew for a Blowup (NYT)
Correct, they THINK they are Chess Masters, but are in the process of receiving some advanced tutoring. Unfortunately the lesson will likely escape them.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
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