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Title: We helped in Iraq - now help us, beg Georgians
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The Times UK
URL Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne ... orld/europe/article4500362.ece
Published: Aug 10, 2008
Author: David Mdzinarishvili/REUTERS
Post Date: 2008-08-10 23:46:09 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Georgia, Russians, War
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Comments: 19
From The Times August 11, 2008 We helped in Iraq - now help us, beg Georgians As Russia forces its neighbour to retreat from South Ossetia, the people of Gori tell our correspondent of betrayal by the West (David Mdzinarishvili/REUTERS) A mother and child in the ravaged Georgian city of Gori, where at least 17 people were killed at the weekend when Russian jets bombed apartment blocks Tony Halpin Roots of Georgia-Russia conflict | Putin sends US message As a Russian jet bombed fields around his village, Djimali Avago, a Georgian farmer, asked me: “Why won’t America and Nato help us? If they won’t help us now, why did we help them in Iraq?” A similar sense of betrayal coursed through the conversations of many Georgians here yesterday as their troops retreated under shellfire and the Russian Army pressed forward to take full control of South Ossetia. Smoke rose as Russian artillery fire exploded less than half a mile from the bridge marking South Ossetia’s border with Georgia. A group of Georgian soldiers hastily abandoned their lorry after its wheels were shot out and ran across the border. Times Archive, 1924: The revolt in Georgia The movement against the Bolshevists is considered to be more than a mere rising. It is considered to be a war of independence Georgian troops looked disheartened as they regrouped around tank lines about 2km from the border. Many said that they had been fighting in Tskhinvali, the capital of South Ossetia, until the early hours when they were suddenly ordered to withdraw from the breakaway region. “They told us to come out – I don’t know why – but some of our guys are still out there in the fields,” one soldier told The Times. “I want to go back. If we lose South Ossetia now, it won’t be for ever because we will never surrender our land.” President Saakashvili of Georgia has ordered a complete ceasefire and offered talks to the Russians. Despite this, the sound of gunfire and shelling could be clearly heard along the border zone last night. Terrified civilians have fled in their thousands, convinced that Russia will not stop at the border but sweep into Georgia. Some fear that the Kremlin is intent on establishing a buffer zone to guard South Ossetia against future incursions. Gori, normally a bustling city of 50,000 people, is largely deserted after Russian airstrikes at the weekend. Scores of people were abandoning their homes and loading possessions into vehicles or carrying what they could on foot. “There is a lot of panic. Many people have left and I am thinking of joining them. My bags are already packed,” Georgi, a 56-year-old resident of Tirdznisi, said. “We are afraid that the Russians will come here and kill us. People would not go if we had a strong army but they don’t believe in our army any more.” Iago Jokhadze abandoned his village of Ergneti, close to Tskhinvali, after it was bombed by Russian jets yesterday. Fighting back tears, he said: “I have left everything, I don’t even have another shirt. If the Russians stay, then I can never return. We’re afraid of what the Russians can do.” Miriyan Gogolashvili, of Tkviav, said: “The Russians will be here tomorrow. They want to show us and the world how powerful they are. Tomorrow it will be Ukraine and nobody in the West is doing anything to stop them. Why were our soldiers in Kosovo and Iraq if we don’t get any help from the West now?” he asked. The Georgian Government is recalling its 2,000 troops serving in Iraq to confront the threat at home. Many Georgians will be reluctant to send them back after this war ends. Their despair was in sharp contrast to the confidence on the other side. At a base near the border, Russian peacekeepers appeared sure they would soon be joined by comrades from the regular army. “We are operating normally; nobody has disturbed us at all,” said one. In Tbilisi, the Georgian capital, refugees from the fighting told how Russian helicopters bombed homes in Tshkinvali and neighbouring villages. Some spent days in basements before emerging to discover that their communities had been obliterated. Mzia Sabashvili, who hid for three days, said: “I know that lots of my neighbours are dead. I have no idea who is left.” The Russians paid little heed to those in their way. A vehicle carrying observers from the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe was shot at by a sniper near Tskhinvali. The bullet cracked the toughened glass of the passenger window, where a British officer had been sitting. In Gori, where a statue of Stalin, the city’s most famous son, still stands in the main square, relatives scoured lists of the wounded put up outside the main hospital. More than 120 people were admitted yesterday in addition to the 456 treated since fighting erupted on Friday. The chief surgeon said that three civilians, including a pregnant woman, had died of their injuries. Scores of soldiers milled around on the road outside. One said that they had all been in Tskhinvali but were now preparing to pull out of Gori. “The situation was very bad there but we were ready to stay. Russia is the enemy of the world,” he said. 
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#1. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
Good post, you beat me to this one! What's troubling is that "America and Nato" may actually do something even more stupid than starting this. They might try to finish it.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Ya think?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Ya think? Yup. Of course I don't think the Russians will stop at creating a "Buffer Zone". I think they will move all the way in and remove the regime that made the incursion necessary. Now, whether they will later withdraw to a buffer is another matter, but that is more long term. They will graciously withdraw from the Georgian Capital - after they've hung the leadership. Of course Jorge and the NeoCons crying crocodile tears over Russia doing what they did in Iraq, after real provocation not invented pretexts, is a real hoot.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Now, whether they will later withdraw to a buffer is another matter, but that is more long term. They will graciously withdraw from the Georgian Capital - after they've hung the leadership. I totally agree. We'd better get busy 'treating' our own neoclowns before they take us all the way down, too. JMO ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Georgian troops burn South Ossetian refugees alive
Yep, nasty stuff happened the first day the Georgians along with their Israeli military advisors ( who happen to know a thing or two about genocide and war crimes per their daily smack downs of Pali women and children) rolled into S. Osettia's capital city. Tanks rolled over children, civilians were torched alive, dead bodies were cut into pieces. Medvedev, Russia's new leader, says he is going to press for war crimes charges to be lodged against the President of Georgia.
Not a good way to win sympathy from the approaching Russian Army - or anyone else - except Jorge who is enough of a psycho to find it funny.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
That city was flattened. Destroyed. Disgusting. Russia also bombing and turning entire Apartment blocks into rubble inside Georgia. It's going to be horrendous and I see escalation inevitable. That f**kwad cheney is sick.
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Not a good way to win sympathy from the approaching Russian Army - or anyone else - except Jorge who is enough of a psycho to find it funny. "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
That is so true and sick it is funny; in a sick way.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Was Cheney there? I thought DebkaFile said it was 1000 Israeli military advisers who orchestrated this grand slam monumental disaster that Georgia got itself into.
President Bush poses for a photo with Misty May Treanor, left, Kerri Walsh and trainer Ernest Ferrel as he visits the practice of the U.S. beach volleyball team at the 2008 Summer Olympic games in Beijing, China Saturday, Aug. 9, 2008. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)
Thanks for the link this article deserves a thread.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Can I get a photo Mr. Cold Blooded Murderer?
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Notice the throngs of admirers gathering to get our fearless leader's autograph - NOT - actually some lady is using Junior's back to write on - maybe Junior is getting her autograph?
See the photo of the leader of the Western World - wow - bet you wished you lived under Junior's reign instead of boring Harper's. We always feel safer when the Goofy King is at home because we know the neocons are doing terror abroad. It's always a bit scary and worrisome when our Village Idiot globe trots. It usually means that he is wasting our taxpayer $ like a drunken sailor on AIDS cures and on mega Third World dictator bribes. Furthermore, when we are left behind, then we're the potential victims of neocon plots and the rest of the world is safe.
Lmao
As a Russian jet bombed fields around his village, Djimali Avago, a Georgian farmer, asked me: “Why won’t America and Nato help us? If they won’t help us now, why did we help them in Iraq?
#2. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
Terrified civilians have fled in their thousands, convinced that Russia will not stop at the border but sweep into Georgia. Some fear that the Kremlin is intent on establishing a buffer zone to guard South Ossetia against future incursions.
#3. To: Rotara (#2)
Terrified civilians have fled in their thousands, convinced that Russia will not stop at the border but sweep into Georgia. Some fear that the Kremlin is intent on establishing a buffer zone to guard South Ossetia against future incursions.
#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)
Of course I don't think the Russians will stop at creating a "Buffer Zone". I think they will move all the way in and remove the regime that made the incursion necessary.
#5. To: Original_Intent (#3)
#6. To: TwentyTwelve, Origial_Intent (#5)
Georgian troops burn South Ossetian refugees alive
#7. To: TwentyTwelve (#5)
Georgian troops burn South Ossetian refugees alive
#8. To: scrapper2, Origial_Intent, rotara (#6)
Medvedev, Russia's new leader, says he is going to press for war crimes charges to be lodged against the President of Georgia.
#9. To: TwentyTwelve (#5)
Georgian troops burn South Ossetian refugees alive
#10. To: Original_Intent, TwentyTwelve (#7)
Georgian troops burn South Ossetian refugees alive
#11. To: TwentyTwelve (#8)
George W Bush, Gold Medal, Beijing 2008 in the category of number of diapers soiled. The category was Power Crapping. Little Lord George was the favorite to win the Gold because the entire world already knew he is full of bullshit in staggering proportions. His performance proves it, but that is only part of the story: W was also the only certified 'imbecile' entered in the event. Apparently, no other nation felt it could outdo Bush in the bullshit department and he competed unopposed.
#12. To: Rotara (#9)
That f**kwad cheney is sick.
#13. To: Rotara (#10)
#14. To: TwentyTwelve (#13)
It was painfully obvious the Georgian President was not enjoying the Russian version of Shock & Awe as his nation was being systematically dismantled, spayed and neutered. Most of the Georgian army's hardware is now toast.
#15. To: TwentyTwelve (#13)
#16. To: Original_Intent (#14)
#17. To: TwentyTwelve (#16)
#18. To: wudidiz (#16)
#19. To: scrapper2, TwentyTwelve (#18)
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
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