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Title: Russian Troops Launch Ground Offensive in Georgia (Update3)
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Bloomberg
URL Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news? ... 87&sid=aPYmM80WrBHk&refer=home
Published: Aug 11, 2008
Author: Henry Meyer and Torrey Clark
Post Date: 2008-08-11 16:51:51 by Rotara
Keywords: None
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Comments: 22
Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Russia sent ground forces into Georgia proper for the first time since fighting began five days ago, seizing a military base and forcing the Georgian army to retreat toward the capital. Georgian officials accused Russia of seeking to overthrow the government of President Mikheil Saakashvili, while Russia said it was protecting the separatist Georgian regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Both countries gave contradictory accounts of fighting. Georgia says Russia is invading two cities while the Russians insist they're hitting only military targets. ``We no longer know the limits of the invading Russian Army,'' said Kakha Lomaia, the Secretary of Georgia's National Security Council. ``Russia seems intent on overthrowing the democratically elected government of Georgia and occupying the country.'' The conflict is Russia's first major military offensive outside its borders since the 1991 break-up of the Soviet Union. The war threatens to draw the U.S. into confrontation with Russia. The Bush administration backs Georgia's bid to join NATO which Russia views as a security threat. The West has courted Georgia as a counterweight to Russia's influence in the region, in part because it has an oil pipeline that bypasses Russia. Russian troops seized a military base in the town of Senaki, 40 kilometers (25 miles) from Abkhazia, and ``invaded'' the city of Gori near South Ossetia, Georgian Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said by phone. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said in comments on CNN that Russia has ``to attack Georgian military targets'' to ``protect the lives of Russian citizens.'' Senaki About 30 armored personnel carriers and more then 20 trucks with Russian soldiers entered Senaki and took control of its military base, Georgian Deputy Defense Minister Batu Kutelia said by phone. A Russian official said the move into Senaki, 40 kilometers (25 miles) from Abkhazia, is aimed at preventing Georgian troops from massing. Ivanov said the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali was still being shelled by Georgian artillery near Gori. A Russian Defense Ministry official said ``not a single Russian soldier'' is in the city. Most residents of Abkhazia and South Ossetia hold Russian passports. French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who currently holds the EU presidency, is to visit Russia tomorrow to try to negotiate a cease-fire. Russia Achieves `Goals' ``Russia has achieved its goals,'' said Alexander Rahr, a Russia expert at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin, said in a Bloomberg Television interview.``Georgia will not be able to reunite with its regions in the coming decades.'' Russia may be seeking to incapacitate the U.S.-armed Georgian military and topple Saakashvili, a U.S.-educated lawyer who came to power in 2003 and has sought to bring his former Soviet nation into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, said Masha Lipman, an analyst with the Moscow Carnegie Center. ``I think Russia has not brought in its troops for the first time projecting military force outside its borders since the collapse of the Soviet Union in order to pull out quickly and return to the status quo,'' Lipman said in an interview on Bloomberg Television. ``I think that Russia has serious goals and Russia will not withdraw until its goals are fulfilled.'' Georgia and Russia have been fighting since Aug. 8 when Russia moved in troops and bombed targets after Georgian forces launched an offensive into South Ossetia, which split away from Georgia in an early 1990s war. EU Peace Mission The Russian incursions came after Saakashvili proposed a cease-fire to the five-day conflict and on the eve of a peace mission by the European Union. Kutelia said the Georgian armed forces had withdrawn from Gori and regrouped in Mtskheta, some 70 kilometers (45 miles) from the capital Tbilisi. ``We are moving the defense line to Mtskheta,'' Deputy Defense Minister Batu Kutelia said by text message. Saakashvili earlier today accused Russia of seeking ``regime change.'' ``We want and need an immediate cease-fire,'' he said in a conference call with reporters. At least 1,600 civilians have died in South Ossetia since the conflict began on Aug. 7, according to Russia. Georgia says hundreds of troops have been killed on both sides as well as ``huge numbers'' of civilians. Russia hasn't received an official proposal from Georgia for a cease-fire, Anatoly Nogovitsyn, Russian deputy chief of the General Staff, told reporters today in Moscow. Georgia has downed four Russian planes and 18 Russian soldiers have been killed, said Nogovitsyn. Halt Military Action The European Union's executive branch demanded a halt to all Russian military action on Georgian territory. ``We consider that the latest developments, such as the crossing of the Georgian borders by Russian troops, changed the dimension of the conflict,'' European Commission spokeswoman Krisztina Nagy told a news briefing in Brussels. The Russian offensive has continued even though Georgia says it complied with Russian demands to withdraw its troops from South Ossetia. U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney said Russia's ``aggression'' would have ``serious consequences'' if it continued. Putin today rounded on the U.S. for its ``cynicism'' in transporting 800 Georgian troops back from Iraq to take part in the conflict. He accused U.S. officials of ``Cold War thinking'' in televised comments. `Russian Aggression' U.S. Republican presidential candidate John McCain called for an international diplomatic response to what he termed ``Russian aggression'' in Georgia. McCain said Moscow's attempt at ``toppling a democratically elected government'' is ``unacceptable to all the democratic countries of the world and should draw us together in universal condemnation of Russian aggression.'' Russia has said its actions are justified by what it calls a Georgian-waged ``genocide'' in South Ossetia. Russia says most of those killed in the conflict are civilians who died through Georgian military action. Fighting spread over the weekend to Abkhazia, another separatist region which like South Ossetia is seeking independence from Georgia. Russia sent 9,000 troops there in addition to a 3,000-strong peacekeeping force on the ground. Georgia is a key link in the U.S.-backed ``southern energy corridor'' that connects the Caspian Sea region with world markets, bypassing Russia. The BP Plc-led Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline to Turkey runs about 100 kilometers (60 miles) south of the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali. To contact the reporters on this story: Henry Meyer in Moscow at Hmeyer4@bloomberg.net; Torrey Clark in Moscow at tclark8@bloomberg.net Last Updated: August 11, 2008 14:24 EDT
Poster Comment: Tarpley on Jack Blood show now exposing this Zbig murder plot right now. "Many Liberals will support fighting Russia --> Zbig --> Obama" Jack Blood: "Zbig created Osama and he created Obama"
Mikheil Saakashvili, Georgia's president, speaks during a news conference in Berlin on June 25, 2008. Photographer: Adam Berry/Bloomberg News
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#1. To: Rotara (#0)
Great interview. Webster rocks.
Except he shills for Hillary!. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
I agree with him. Shrill would put all of deecee into permanent gridlock. Which I fully support.
Shrill would put all of deecee into permanent gridlock. Which I fully support. Hmmm
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
b. Rotara's commentary: Tarpley on Jack Blood show now exposing this Zbig murder plot right now. "Many Liberals will support fighting Russia --> Zbig --> Obama" Jack Blood: "Zbig created Osama and he created Obama" a. Nice checkmate response by Russia. And in turn the Georgian President sock puppet can only say, I'm guessing: " Well, hubba hubba, gulp, gulp ...what Russia says is true and yes, so I stretched the truth a bit and willfully lied but regardless... HELP ME, PLEASE SOMEBODY HELP ME TO GET OUT OF THE MESS I'VE GOTTEN MY NATION INTO." b. Phhisssst - give me a break - why are you trying to misdirect 4um readers and lurkers from the issues at hand - who the fudge cares about non-existent "Zbig murder plots"??? Say what??? How did Zbig get into this? a. Is Zbig in Junior's Administration? b. Is the current DC/Tel Aviv juntas using Zbig as a foreign affairs or military adviser? Answers to both a) and b) are no and no. The event that took place over the weekend and which this article and countless others, several from Israel news sources actually, in reference to Georgia's idiotic decision to invade S. Osettia do not mention Zbig or Obama or even McCain for that matter, as being responsible or behind the scenes players. Clearly the Georgia cluster fudge was orchestrated by 2 architects, 2 players, if you will. And those 2 players behind the curtain are the neozios in DC and Tel Aviv. Even Israeli newspapers tell us that this is the case. Sheesh. Zhib is not a partner to this nonsense whatsoever, so stop already with your attempts to confuse everyone with diversionary and unsupportable weird theories that muddy the waters and take away from the truth about the Georgia cluster fudge. Your agenda is transparent and that's because you are so notably clumsy in your efforts.
As far as I can tell, Tarpley was campaigning for Hillary for the past year, just like LaRouche.
Sorry, buck, but I don't know who Tarpley is. I certainly have never listened to him. Do Tarpley's opinions or theories have much influence on mainstream American thought? What audience share does Tarpley have in broadcasting? I'm wondering because I have no idea. If I never heard of Tarpley [and politics is a deep interest of mine] I suspect Tarpley's audience is pretty narrowly focused and so Tarpley's influence on the way Americans would look at political events, might be rather limited...just my humble opinion. It's Rotara who listens to Tarpley not me. Perhaps that is who you meant to direct your comment?
Just putting Tarpley into perspective. He's a 9/11 truther who appears to be a LaRouche loyalist.
Also don't forget historical "issues" between Russians/Georgians and Russians/Armenians. During the Soviet Union years, the Caucuses were where a lot of the agitators came from. Note Garry Kasparov's near-miss as world chess champion because of where he was born.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Hey all, for discussion purposes here's Tarpley's thoughts.
Most interesting is the response of Brzezinski's other puppet, Obama. The Messiah first intoned that it was necessary to show restraint, and stop the armed conflict. He talked then to NSC Director Hadley, Saakashvili, Rice, and unspecified foreign policy advisers undoubtedly the Brzezinskis, Zbig and Mark. Notice Obama's failure to talk with a single Russian leader he failed to bring anybody together this time. Then Obama switched to a full warmonger line, identical to that of Bush: Obama now lied that Russia had invaded Georgian sovereignty and encroached on Russian sovereignty. Obama's spokesman, Ben Rhodes, added that Russia was responsible for the conflict. This goes to show that Obama is a ticket to World War III on the Brzezinski Plan, the crackpot design to break up Russia and China, securing another century for the Anglo-American world empire. Because Brzezinski's strategic insanity unfolds on a scale more vast than that of the neocons, Obama is indeed a far bigger warmonger than Bush. bump one each of zbig's sons working for both obama and mcCain
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Still hedging their bets. Talis they win, heads, we lose.
Pull your head out of your ass long enough to discover the truth. I'll take you off filter again in awhile to see if you have. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Please, they're on their own. No one's running to their help. Words is all. The Bear slapped the guy poking it with a stick. And now the French and EU will proceed to set the terms. "That's the night that the lights went out in Georgia". Poor bastards, they shoulda read history - Tibet, Hungary1956, Angola 1978. Though in the latter, we unleashed the SouthAfricans to take on the Cubans.
Google Tarpley. What are you afraid of? btw: most Patriots have heard of Tarpley.
Please, they're on their own. No one's running to their help. Words is all. The Bear slapped the guy poking it with a stick. And now the French and EU will proceed to set the terms. "That's the night that the lights went out in Georgia". Just keep an eye on the NATO air traffic to and from Incirlik (Turkey). Turkey is warming up to the EU and AmeriKa again since we let them dismantle some Kurds in Northern Iraq. The logical route for aid into Georgia is from the south. Turkey being prime. Turkey really does want into the EU so this has to be considered strongly imo. Assuming these Trilat-CFR Globalists are stupid enough to try to route Russia out of Georgia/S.O./Abkhazia. ;-) "If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
btw: most Patriots have heard of Tarpley. Tarpley has some big blind spots (FDR & Hillary!), but he has done extensively documented research about the world's elite Globalists/banksters, CFR, Trilats, Bilderberg and sees the field pretty well. ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Yes, but on the southern border of Georgia is a region called Adjaria bordering Turkey. They ain't happy either. Turks won't do anything because they know there is no will in the West, and they ain't stupid. They aren't putting their territory at risk.
Sorry but I don 't understand how Zbig's sons working for 2 Presidential candidates - ie. neither candidate occupies the Oval Office at this time - is relevant or supportive of Tarpley's main thesis: "As is explained in my book Obama- The Postmodern Coup: The Making of a Manchurian Candidate, Saakashvili was brought to power in 2003-2004 by a people power coup or CIA color revolution, directed by the Brzezinski clan and financed by George Soros, one of Obama's key financial backers. In a very real sense, it is the Obama campaign which has attacked Russia in South Ossetia." Say what? Neither Obama nor Zhib are in the Bush GOP Administration who are calling the shots in foreign policy and to whom the CIA respond. Regarding Georgia, I don't follow Tarpley's logic, why he believes that the CIA in 2003-2004 would have any interest or mandate to take orders from State Senator Obama, who got elected for the first time as a federal Senator in November, 2004 or for that matter why would the CIA implement Zhib's grand plans - Zhib is a political dinosaur, a former Dem cabinet minister who held sway over Oval House foreign policies way back during the Carter Administration for gosh sakes. Zhib has only coming back on the political scene recently because his guy, Obama, not Tarpley's Hillary, won the Dem Prez candidacy. And the next leap in logic that Tarpley makes seems equally oddballish to me: "Then Obama switched to a full warmonger line, identical to that of Bush: Obama now lied that Russia had invaded Georgian sovereignty and encroached on Russian sovereignty. Obama's spokesman, Ben Rhodes, added that Russia was responsible for the conflict. This goes to show that Obama is a ticket to World War III on the Brzezinski Plan, the crackpot design to break up Russia and China, securing another century for the Anglo-American world empire. Because Brzezinski's strategic insanity unfolds on a scale more vast than that of the neocons, Obama is indeed a far bigger warmonger than Bush." Say what? Obama is a flip-flopper - that's Obama's M.O. Therefore, it comes as no surprise to me that Obama would change his position overnight on the Georgia-Russia event. Furthermore, Obama's perceived weakness is that he is not "tough enough" on foreign policy. So of course after McCain yaps about the evil aggressor Ruskies, Obama is advised by his handlers - Zhib being an important one - that Obama needs to match McCain's tough talking stance against The Bear. So he follows through. Big deal. It's political gamesmanship in a Pres election year. It's not as though McCain and Obama are the only ones lying through their teeth - our US mainstream media have barely told one single truth about the Georgia-S. Osettia -Russia conflict. MSM has been beating the war drums since Friday. Is MSM a partner of the Zhbig conspiracy too? I think Tarpley's trying to put together a scary Obama as warhawk meister scenario because of his loyalty to Hillary, frankly. I would imagine he'd love to see Hillary win the Pres candidate nomination in Denver pull an upset victory over Obama, and what better way than to put in motion fears in the hearts of Dem delegates than putting out these Obama as worse than Bush theories on the net. Obama is scary all right but not because of Trapley's thesis as expounded in this article under discussion.
i don't understand, for the life of me, Tarpley's loyalty, or whatever it is, to hillary. still the fact that Zbig's sons are advisors/employees of both prez candidates proves to me that there is no difference in policy and agenda. it's nepotism at its worse. we continue to have the same CFR/Trilats/shadow government calling the shots.
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b. btw: most Patriots have heard of Tarpley. a. You mistake "fear" for my pointed disinterest in the theories of small potatoes narrowly focused political commentators catering to a market for the Rotara's of the world. b. Are you implying that you are "a patriot" and I am not "a patriot" because I don't listen to "Genesis Network"? Uh huh, I won't even waste my time going down that rabbit hole of illogic where you apparently reside. c. Btw, the only "patriot" who I am familiar with is Dr. Ron Paul, who does the walk in addition to the talk. And as I recall Dr. Paul's candidacy was damaged significantly because media associated Dr. Paul with The Truthers, some of whom were kooks or paid gov't disinformation agents and even though it was "some" it was "enough" to use as a slam against Dr. Paul and what made matters worse, when Dr. Paul tried to distance himself from the poisoned Truther waters by saying on national teevee that he saw no evidence at this time that our gov't orchestrated 9/11, the Truther self-described "patriots" got pissed and had hissy fits with Dr. Paul, a TRUE PATRIOT, and they threatened to withdraw their financial/voting support of him - confirming what I suspected all along - that the Truthers, by and large, were one trick ponies and their so-called patriotism was skin deep and one that involved self-absorbed navel gazing.
And LaRouche, which puts him at odds with the Ron Paul freedom movement. He may want to reform the central banks, but LaRouche sees them as tools for the "right kind" of big government, so long as it's in like-minded hands.
#2. To: lodwick (#1)
Webster rocks.
#3. To: Rotara (#2)
#4. To: lodwick (#3)
I agree with him.
#5. To: Rotara, buckeye, christine, Original_Intent, rowdee, Jethro Tull, mirage, Rupert_Pupkin, wudidiz, All (#0)
a. article: Ivanov said the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali was still being shelled by Georgian artillery near Gori. A Russian Defense Ministry official said ``not a single Russian soldier'' is in the city. Most residents of Abkhazia and South Ossetia hold Russian passports.
#6. To: scrapper2 (#5)
#7. To: buckeye, Rotara (#6)
As far as I can tell, Tarpley was campaigning for Hillary for the past year, just like LaRouche.
#8. To: scrapper2, (#7)
#9. To: scrapper2 (#5)
#10. To: All (#9)
http://www.rense.com/general82/indt.htm
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#11. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
McCain responded by aggressive posturing against Russia scripted by Ian Brzezinski, as expected. At the Olympics, Bush had a heated exchange with Russian Prime Minister Putin over the Georgian aggression. Bush has dropped his plans to attack Iran and North Korea, and is now slavishly following Brzezinski's orders by concentrating on provoking Russian and China.
#12. To: christine (#11)
one each of zbig's sons working for both obama and mcCain
#13. To: scrapper2 (#5)
b. Phhisssst - give me a break - why are you trying to misdirect 4um readers and lurkers from the issues at hand - who the fudge cares about non-existent "Zbig murder plots"??? Say what??? How did Zbig get into this? a. Is Zbig in Junior's Administration?
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#10)
What if the US, the British, or the French try to break through the Russian naval blockade?
#15. To: scrapper2, buckeye, Rotara, christine (#7)
Sorry, buck, but I don't know who Tarpley is.
#16. To: swarthyguy, JethroTull (#14)
What if the US, the British, or the French try to break through the Russian naval blockade?
#17. To: TwentyTwelve (#15)
Google Tarpley. What are you afraid of?
#18. To: Rotara (#16)
#19. To: christine (#11)
#20. To: scrapper2 (#19)
#21. To: TwentyTwelve, Rotara (#15)
a. Google Tarpley. What are you afraid of?
#22. To: christine, TwentyTwelve (#20)
...Tarpley's loyalty, or whatever it is, to hillary.
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