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War, War, War See other War, War, War Articles Title: Russian Troops Launch Ground Offensive in Georgia (Update3) Aug. 11 (Bloomberg) -- Russia sent ground forces into Georgia proper for the first time since fighting began five days ago, seizing a military base and forcing the Georgian army to retreat toward the capital. Georgian officials accused Russia of seeking to overthrow the government of President Mikheil Saakashvili, while Russia said it was protecting the separatist Georgian regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Both countries gave contradictory accounts of fighting. Georgia says Russia is invading two cities while the Russians insist they're hitting only military targets. ``We no longer know the limits of the invading Russian Army,'' said Kakha Lomaia, the Secretary of Georgia's National Security Council. ``Russia seems intent on overthrowing the democratically elected government of Georgia and occupying the country.'' The conflict is Russia's first major military offensive outside its borders since the 1991 break-up of the Soviet Union. The war threatens to draw the U.S. into confrontation with Russia. The Bush administration backs Georgia's bid to join NATO which Russia views as a security threat. The West has courted Georgia as a counterweight to Russia's influence in the region, in part because it has an oil pipeline that bypasses Russia. Russian troops seized a military base in the town of Senaki, 40 kilometers (25 miles) from Abkhazia, and ``invaded'' the city of Gori near South Ossetia, Georgian Interior Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said by phone. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov said in comments on CNN that Russia has ``to attack Georgian military targets'' to ``protect the lives of Russian citizens.'' Senaki About 30 armored personnel carriers and more then 20 trucks with Russian soldiers entered Senaki and took control of its military base, Georgian Deputy Defense Minister Batu Kutelia said by phone. A Russian official said the move into Senaki, 40 kilometers (25 miles) from Abkhazia, is aimed at preventing Georgian troops from massing. Ivanov said the South Ossetian capital Tskhinvali was still being shelled by Georgian artillery near Gori. A Russian Defense Ministry official said ``not a single Russian soldier'' is in the city. Most residents of Abkhazia and South Ossetia hold Russian passports. French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who currently holds the EU presidency, is to visit Russia tomorrow to try to negotiate a cease-fire. Russia Achieves `Goals' ``Russia has achieved its goals,'' said Alexander Rahr, a Russia expert at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin, said in a Bloomberg Television interview.``Georgia will not be able to reunite with its regions in the coming decades.'' Russia may be seeking to incapacitate the U.S.-armed Georgian military and topple Saakashvili, a U.S.-educated lawyer who came to power in 2003 and has sought to bring his former Soviet nation into the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, said Masha Lipman, an analyst with the Moscow Carnegie Center. ``I think Russia has not brought in its troops for the first time projecting military force outside its borders since the collapse of the Soviet Union in order to pull out quickly and return to the status quo,'' Lipman said in an interview on Bloomberg Television. ``I think that Russia has serious goals and Russia will not withdraw until its goals are fulfilled.'' Georgia and Russia have been fighting since Aug. 8 when Russia moved in troops and bombed targets after Georgian forces launched an offensive into South Ossetia, which split away from Georgia in an early 1990s war. EU Peace Mission The Russian incursions came after Saakashvili proposed a cease-fire to the five-day conflict and on the eve of a peace mission by the European Union. Kutelia said the Georgian armed forces had withdrawn from Gori and regrouped in Mtskheta, some 70 kilometers (45 miles) from the capital Tbilisi. ``We are moving the defense line to Mtskheta,'' Deputy Defense Minister Batu Kutelia said by text message. Saakashvili earlier today accused Russia of seeking ``regime change.'' ``We want and need an immediate cease-fire,'' he said in a conference call with reporters. At least 1,600 civilians have died in South Ossetia since the conflict began on Aug. 7, according to Russia. Georgia says hundreds of troops have been killed on both sides as well as ``huge numbers'' of civilians. Russia hasn't received an official proposal from Georgia for a cease-fire, Anatoly Nogovitsyn, Russian deputy chief of the General Staff, told reporters today in Moscow. Georgia has downed four Russian planes and 18 Russian soldiers have been killed, said Nogovitsyn. Halt Military Action The European Union's executive branch demanded a halt to all Russian military action on Georgian territory. ``We consider that the latest developments, such as the crossing of the Georgian borders by Russian troops, changed the dimension of the conflict,'' European Commission spokeswoman Krisztina Nagy told a news briefing in Brussels. The Russian offensive has continued even though Georgia says it complied with Russian demands to withdraw its troops from South Ossetia. U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney said Russia's ``aggression'' would have ``serious consequences'' if it continued. Putin today rounded on the U.S. for its ``cynicism'' in transporting 800 Georgian troops back from Iraq to take part in the conflict. He accused U.S. officials of ``Cold War thinking'' in televised comments. `Russian Aggression' U.S. Republican presidential candidate John McCain called for an international diplomatic response to what he termed ``Russian aggression'' in Georgia. McCain said Moscow's attempt at ``toppling a democratically elected government'' is ``unacceptable to all the democratic countries of the world and should draw us together in universal condemnation of Russian aggression.'' Russia has said its actions are justified by what it calls a Georgian-waged ``genocide'' in South Ossetia. Russia says most of those killed in the conflict are civilians who died through Georgian military action. Fighting spread over the weekend to Abkhazia, another separatist region which like South Ossetia is seeking independence from Georgia. Russia sent 9,000 troops there in addition to a 3,000-strong peacekeeping force on the ground. Georgia is a key link in the U.S.-backed ``southern energy corridor'' that connects the Caspian Sea region with world markets, bypassing Russia. The BP Plc-led Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline to Turkey runs about 100 kilometers (60 miles) south of the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali. To contact the reporters on this story: Henry Meyer in Moscow at Hmeyer4@bloomberg.net; Torrey Clark in Moscow at tclark8@bloomberg.net Last Updated: August 11, 2008 14:24 EDT
Poster Comment: Tarpley on Jack Blood show now exposing this Zbig murder plot right now. "Many Liberals will support fighting Russia --> Zbig --> Obama" Jack Blood: "Zbig created Osama and he created Obama"
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#5. To: Rotara, buckeye, christine, Original_Intent, rowdee, Jethro Tull, mirage, Rupert_Pupkin, wudidiz, All (#0)
b. Rotara's commentary: Tarpley on Jack Blood show now exposing this Zbig murder plot right now. "Many Liberals will support fighting Russia --> Zbig --> Obama" Jack Blood: "Zbig created Osama and he created Obama" a. Nice checkmate response by Russia. And in turn the Georgian President sock puppet can only say, I'm guessing: " Well, hubba hubba, gulp, gulp ...what Russia says is true and yes, so I stretched the truth a bit and willfully lied but regardless... HELP ME, PLEASE SOMEBODY HELP ME TO GET OUT OF THE MESS I'VE GOTTEN MY NATION INTO." b. Phhisssst - give me a break - why are you trying to misdirect 4um readers and lurkers from the issues at hand - who the fudge cares about non-existent "Zbig murder plots"??? Say what??? How did Zbig get into this? a. Is Zbig in Junior's Administration? b. Is the current DC/Tel Aviv juntas using Zbig as a foreign affairs or military adviser? Answers to both a) and b) are no and no. The event that took place over the weekend and which this article and countless others, several from Israel news sources actually, in reference to Georgia's idiotic decision to invade S. Osettia do not mention Zbig or Obama or even McCain for that matter, as being responsible or behind the scenes players. Clearly the Georgia cluster fudge was orchestrated by 2 architects, 2 players, if you will. And those 2 players behind the curtain are the neozios in DC and Tel Aviv. Even Israeli newspapers tell us that this is the case. Sheesh. Zhib is not a partner to this nonsense whatsoever, so stop already with your attempts to confuse everyone with diversionary and unsupportable weird theories that muddy the waters and take away from the truth about the Georgia cluster fudge. Your agenda is transparent and that's because you are so notably clumsy in your efforts.
As far as I can tell, Tarpley was campaigning for Hillary for the past year, just like LaRouche.
Sorry, buck, but I don't know who Tarpley is. I certainly have never listened to him. Do Tarpley's opinions or theories have much influence on mainstream American thought? What audience share does Tarpley have in broadcasting? I'm wondering because I have no idea. If I never heard of Tarpley [and politics is a deep interest of mine] I suspect Tarpley's audience is pretty narrowly focused and so Tarpley's influence on the way Americans would look at political events, might be rather limited...just my humble opinion. It's Rotara who listens to Tarpley not me. Perhaps that is who you meant to direct your comment?
Just putting Tarpley into perspective. He's a 9/11 truther who appears to be a LaRouche loyalist.
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