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Title: US military surprised by speed, timing of Russia military action
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AFP
URL Source: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gj_jyRnqBYekXz2MyszBj6k_ZMtw
Published: Aug 11, 2008
Author: afp
Post Date: 2008-08-11 20:01:08 by Rotara
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1 hour ago WASHINGTON (AFP) — The US military was surprised by the timing and swiftness of the Russian military's move into South Ossetia and is still trying to sort out what happened, a US defense official said Monday. Russian forces surged into the breakaway region last week after weeks of clashes, threats and warnings between Tblisi and Moscow which culminated August 6 in a two-day Georgian offensive into South Ossetia. That the two countries were on a collision course was no surprise to anyone, but the devastating Russian response was not expected, officials said. "We were tracking it earlier in that week and we knew that things were escalating," said a military official, who asked not to be identified. "I can tell you it moved quicker than we anticipated that first day." But how it unfolded is still unclear, clouded by conflicting claims from both sides. "I think a lot of what you're asking needs to be ironed out," said the official. "Some of these little issues are definitely still big questions in this event -- What was the intent? Who started it? Why did they start it? And why weren't they prepared to defend what they started?" President George W. Bush, who urged Moscow to cease fire and return to pre-August 6 positions, charged in a televised statement that Russia's intention appeared to be depose Georgia's democratically elected president. But the extent of the Russian operation remained unclear to US officials on Monday. Georgian officials said Russian troops had moved out of South Ossetia into Georgia proper, occupying the city of Gori while Georgian troops were retreating to the capital. But US defense officials said they were unable to corroborate the Georgian claims. "We don't see anything that supports they are in Gori," said a defense official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "I don't know why the Georgians are saying that." "That assessment is ongoing," said Bryan Whitman, a Pentagon spokesman. The United States has among the most powerful tools for monitoring brewing conflicts, from spy satellites to reconnaissance aircraft and drones capable of scooping up radio signals or capture real-time images of forces on the ground. But the extent to which they were trained on this remote conflict before it turned violent is not known. The Russians, however, warned on August 3 of a growing threat of "large scale military conflict" between Georgia and South Ossetia. The State Department issued a mild statement on August 5 urging Moscow to refrain from provocative actions, but gave no hint that it was aware that military action either by Georgia or Russia was in the offing. Officials have suggested the fighting was not seen as an immediate threat, in part because there were only about 95 US troops and 35 civilian contractors in the country training Georgian troops for Iraq. And they were not near South Ossetia. Some 1,650 US troops conducted a joint exercise with the Georgian military in mid-July. But they were out of the country when the hostilities flared. At around the same time, the Russian military deployed 8,000 troops to the North Caucases for counter-terrorism exercises that Moscow said were unrelated to the tensions with its southern neighbor. The US defense official said about 8,000 to 10,000 Russian troops have moved into South Ossetia. They also have flown SU-25, SU-24, SU-27 and TU-22 fighters and bombers during the campaign. But the official said there was no obvious buildup of Russian forces along the border that signaled an intention to invade. "Once it did happen they were able to get the forces quickly and it was just a matter of taking the roads in. So it's not as though they were building up forces on the border, waiting," the official said. "What are their future intentions, I don't know. Obviously they could throw more troops at this if they wanted to," he said.
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#1. To: Rotara (#0)
Russia has always done very well against smaller countries. Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania etc etc. Somewhat like the US against Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran
The Chechens put up a helluva fight compared to this. If I were a Georgian, I'd be pretty embarrassed. Russia apparently is no longer demoralized and also has learned a lot from the repeated ambushes it suffered in Grozny. I now think if the Zionazis go ahead with their illegal bombing campaign on Iran's quite legal nuclear program, there is a fair chance Russia will intervene in some unexpected way. Their forces are a lot closer to the theater already.
The Russians play Chess better than just about anyone and that certainly includes Zbignew Brzkissinski. The Israeli's seem to have been very heavily involved in this. That was no doubt a Rothschild inspired move. The Georgian Defense Minister is an "ex"-Israeli and seems to have been in a very cozy arrangement with Israel. That would seem to explain why the Georgian forces acted to slaughter civilians - that is an Israeli tactic.
I view the timing of the large US naval armada heading for that region to be more than just a curious coincidence. We'll see how insane our "leaders" really are if they decide to defend "our ally", the dictator of Georgia.
#9. To: FormerLurker (#7)
Interesting point - and that may be one of the motivations that drove the Russians to move so quickly. The head cases running our government are stupid enough to light the fuse. Launching against Russian forces from those Carriers against Russia could set off the "Powder Keg". It would be interesting to know what the Russian Submarine Fleet is doing.
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#3. To: Cynicom (#1)
#5. To: Sam Houston, Cynicom, all (#3)
I now think if the Zionazis go ahead with their illegal bombing campaign on Iran's quite legal nuclear program, there is a fair chance Russia will intervene in some unexpected way.
#7. To: Original_Intent (#5)
Replies to Comment # 7. I view the timing of the large US naval armada heading for that region to be more than just a curious coincidence. We'll see how insane our "leaders" really are if they decide to defend "our ally", the dictator of Georgia.
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