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Title: Russian President orders halt to Georgia offensive
Source: belfasttelegraph.co.uk
URL Source: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/b ... eorgia-offensive-13937001.html
Published: Aug 12, 2008
Author: Breaking News
Post Date: 2008-08-12 08:44:42 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: Russia, Georgia, Conflict
Views: 215
Comments: 12

Russian President orders halt to Georgia offensive

Tuesday, 12 August 2008

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has called a halt to his country's military campaign against Georgia this morning.

In a televised address, Mr Medvedev said the security of Russian peacekeepers and civilians in South Ossetia had been restored.

"The aggressor has been punished and suffered very significant losses. It's military has been disorganised," he added.

However, Mr Medvedev also said that the Russian military would respond to "any emerging hotbeds of resistance or any aggressive actions".

French President Nicolas Sarkozy is visiting the region today in an effort to broker a lasting ceasefire between the two sides.

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#1. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)

Russia found out what they wanted to know about NATO and Bush.

When one plays outside the opening to the Bears den it is prudent to expect the Bear may not like it.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-12   8:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

"The aggressor has been punished and suffered very significant losses. It's military has been disorganised," he added.

When the man is right, he's right. How can one say it any differently? I'd perhaps add one thing - the US trained lawwwwwyer, Georgia's President Mikheil SackofShit, maybe tearing up his honorary degree from Haifa University this week and ruing the day he ever became a butt buddy of Precious and Precious's neocon chickenhawk pals in DC. hahahahaha...

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-12   9:34:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Russia found out what they wanted to know about NATO and Bush.

Russia confirmed what Putin knew about the neocons who pull the strings on Bush - that the neozios are self-serving chickenhawks.

How did NATO get mentioned in your sentence? Georgia was not a NATO member and even if it was, do you honestly think NATO civilized nations like Canada would support what that war criminal President Sackofshit did to S. Osettia on Friday? Did you read the reports that are coming out? He sent his military in tanks to S. Osettia's capital city running down children with tanks, then torching homes in 8 villages, burning families alive, then going back and cutting corpses into pieces? 2000 people were snuffed in 1 day in this manner. S. Osettia as a whole only has a total population of 70,000 so 2000 is a big chunk to lose in 24 hours. Georgia's President should be tried for war crimes and he knows it - that's why he looks scared shitless in all the photos. He authorized- he knew the game plan - and Russia is hopping mad because Putin flew into S. Osettia's capital city the very next day that these atrocities happened - he flew in from China and witnessed the aftermath, Putin saw the barracks where 12 Russian PEACE KEEPERS were ambushed and plugged by Georgia. President Sackofshit better get ready for a long embaressing court trial in the Hague or a Russian visitor wearing a bella clava in the dead of night. He's toast - he's going to pay for those 12 Russian peace keepers' lives one way or the other. Sackofshit may want to go to prison awaiting trial in the Hague - it may buy him a few extra years before the Russian visitor comes to see him at the dead of night.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-12   9:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's amazing that the fact that Georgia attacked South Ossetia first appears late in most of the recaps of the conflict, while everyone is calling Russia the aggressor here. The terms they've used to portray the conflict have been very good; the Russians talk about restoring peace to the area after their peacekeepers were attacked. At one point they talked about ethnic cleansing.

The reaction to the killing of their peacekeepers is no different than ours would have been if this happened in Bosnia or Kosovo-you escalate the violence and then eliminate the ability for a replay of it. That seems to be what they've largely done. We can denounce them using too much force, but most of the reports I've read seem to emphasize their attacks on military installations. There seems to have been much less attacking of civilian targets by the Russians than we commonly do. Had we attacked Georgia in the same way, we would have immediately destroyed the electrical plants, sanitation plants, and water treatment plants. It seems the Russians have acted in a fairly restrained manner when it comes to destroying Georgia, which seems to be consistent with their words about what they're doing.

Rivers of blood were spilled out over land that, in normal times, not even the poorest Arab would have worried his head over." Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

historian1944  posted on  2008-08-12   10:01:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Too much use of force--ah yes............that term that the us of a doesn't bother when it is a certain ME nation bombing the hell out of another ME nation, one I might add that was a non-agressor nation.

Well, actually, I seem to recall a few years back, and a continuing modus of sorts, where the us of a itself is doing a bunch of overkill.

But, I guess it isn't pc to talk about those instances...wouldnt' be prudent, or some such tommyrott.

rowdee  posted on  2008-08-12   10:24:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There seems to have been much less attacking of civilian targets by the Russians than we commonly do.

In cases such as this I think the civilian casualties should serve to empower the populace to take responsibility for determining the authority or limits of authority to be garnered by elected officials. Those paying the price have every right to regulate the fools/elites who cause the loss of life that they seldom experience themselves.

Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.

De La Boétie

noone222  posted on  2008-08-12   10:35:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

Historically, that's not the case, which makes for an even stronger case to limit the attacks on areas where civilians/non-combatants/people who shouldn't be made dead reside. Usually, the attacks on civilians (mistakes or not) lead to a further hardening of the populace against the attacking power. This happened in WWII Germany, it's happened to us both in Iraq and Afghanistan, it happened to the Russians in Afghanistan and Chechnya in spades. The "bomb them so they'll overthrow their current government" idea is what we used for justification for terror bombing in WWII. Writers such as Victor Davis Hanson still use that idea as part of theory for why Germany post WWI became a beligerent again, while Germany post WWII has been peaceful.

All the rhetoric about Georgia being a liberal democracy, a shining beacon of light in an autocratic region aside, I don't think the people of Georgia have much say in their government, unless they're willing to withdraw their consent. The government is largely there are our behest, indeed Shevy said on his way out "I did everything they asked!" If the Georgians are going to have a truly representative government, they're going to have to seize it, Italians against Mussolini or Romanians against Ceacescu style. There probably won't be a more advantageous time for them to do so than right now, if that is their wont. The current government is in a bit of disarray and the US can't help much. Plus, if they get the Georgian Army on their side, most of it is around Tbilisi right now.

Rivers of blood were spilled out over land that, in normal times, not even the poorest Arab would have worried his head over." Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

historian1944  posted on  2008-08-12   10:47:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

There seems to have been much less attacking of civilian targets by the Russians than we commonly do. Had we attacked Georgia in the same way, we would have immediately destroyed the electrical plants, sanitation plants, and water treatment plants. It seems the Russians have acted in a fairly restrained manner when it comes to destroying Georgia, which seems to be consistent with their words about what they're doing.

I would not characterize it as restraint, rather Russia limited their action as their only goal was to run a test on Bush and NATO.

With very limited cost to themselves and minor damage to Georgia, Russia has proven to themselves and the world that Bush/NATO is all bluff and bluster, running on empty. Other nations in the region have now seen for themselves that as always force is number one, bluffing with an empty hand comes in last.

Russia has shown China, India and all the smaller nations, never depend on the US.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-12   11:18:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

All the rhetoric about Georgia being a liberal democracy, a shining beacon of light in an autocratic region aside, I don't think the people of Georgia have much say in their government, unless they're willing to withdraw their consent. The government is largely there are our behest, indeed Shevy said on his way out "I did everything they asked!" If the Georgians are going to have a truly representative government, they're going to have to seize it, Italians against Mussolini or Romanians against Ceacescu style. There probably won't be a more advantageous time for them to do so than right now, if that is their wont. The current government is in a bit of disarray and the US can't help much. Plus, if they get the Georgian Army on their side, most of it is around Tbilisi right now.

Brilliant observation, historian! Bravo.

Last night I read about 3 or 4 different articles ( that's quite a bit considering there aren't many official news reporters on the ground because this event happened so quickly) about the Georgians' being really really angry with the Georgian President Sackofshit - the Georgians are actually blaming their own leader, not Russia, for his stupid reckless act of aggression that has resulted in this disasterous situation for them.

I was quite surprised to see that the Georgians had such clarity of vision regarding who was the bad guy - I think the ratio was probably 5 to 1 for Georgians blaming Sachofshit not Medvedev. Quite astounding considering that they are being inteviewed as Russian warplanes are making sorties over their heads as they are speaking and in the article text the reporter describes the sights and sounds in Georgia.

How many years did it take Americans to realize that Junior and his neozio advisers were causing America great harm with their BullyBoy militarism around the globe?

As you say I don't think Sackofshit was very popular - truly - he got re-elected by a 96% of the votes which in itself seems rather high and suspect - shades of Uncle Saddam's resounding electoral victories??? I've read that Sachofshit was using jails quite extensively not only for incarceration of his corrupt predecessors but also to punish opposition leaders and citizen dissidents. The media in Georgia was highly controlled - he had a Minister of Propoganda ( well not that exact label but you get the picture) in his Cabinet so Sackofshit was not the posterboy of democracy and freedom as we in the West have been led to believe.

And the demoralized Georgian soldiers, who probably feel betrayed by their stooopid, Sackofshit lawwwwyer leader, likely share a good deal of the same feelings of discontent expressed by their countrymen on the street.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-12   11:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

It's amazing that the fact that Georgia attacked South Ossetia first appears late in most of the recaps of the conflict, while everyone is calling Russia the aggressor here. The terms they've used to portray the conflict have been very good; the Russians talk about restoring peace to the area after their peacekeepers were attacked. At one point they talked about ethnic cleansing.

I've noticed that too. I have been glancing at the usual suspects, Fox, CNN and MSNBC alike and none of them mention Georgia's initial move into South Ossetia killing 2000 plus. Russia is the aggressor. McCain and Obama have not mentioned Georgia's killing of civilians and again only Russia is the aggressor. It's been astonishing to watch.

"What began in Russia will end in America."- 1930, Elder Ignatius of Harbin, Manchuria.

scooter  posted on  2008-08-12   12:41:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

I remember the last election that Shevy won was a truly spectacular one. Two of his major opponents had unfortunate accidents (one had his apartment blow up) immediately prior to, or the day of the election. Intimidation and vote fraud were so bad that even the OSCE couldn't rubber stamp it as free and fair. Those same OSCE monitors nearly needed smelling salts when the US representatives said that they had experienced a model democracy at work.

The current president rode in on the US funded (and probably planned) Rose (?) Revolution, that monitors said had some serious irregularities, but was about as good as they were going to get at that time, which was a flaccid answer, imagine someone saying the same thing about Hussein's elections. But, the regime change was required, so it was done, and the Bush Administration welcomed Georgia into the pantheon of truly free liberal democracies.

The real losers in all of this are the people of Georgia and South Ossetia, who have been involved in something they have little control over. The Georgian president has (had?) very little to lose, and little at stake, because he probably thought that this would go very well for him. At least the Russians are still pressing for some punishment for him. It would be refreshing for a member of the elite to get some form of punishment for their actions.

Rivers of blood were spilled out over land that, in normal times, not even the poorest Arab would have worried his head over." Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

historian1944  posted on  2008-08-12   12:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

electrical plants, sanitation plants, and water treatment plants.

Yes, Powell effectively rewrote what defines a civilian target, and as the US proceeded to eviscerate Iraq in 1991, no questions were raised by the government or the people.

Essentially, if a soldier uses a tap, takes a crap or uses a cell fone, the functioning institutions behind those services are now considered military targets.

Sweet, ain't it. The major violation of the Geneva Conventions was rather handily ignored by all in the flush of the victory over Saddam and the restoration of a monarchial family run "country".

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-08-12   14:07:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  

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