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Title: McCain would back Georgia NATO bid if elected
Source: Yahoo - AFP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/2008081 ... otegeorgiarussiaconflictmccain
Published: Aug 12, 2008
Author: afp
Post Date: 2008-08-12 22:48:17 by Rotara
Keywords: None
Views: 296
Comments: 8

2 hours, 46 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (AFP) - Republican White House contender John McCain said Tuesday he would support Georgia's bid to join the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) if he is elected president in November.

"I would move forward at the right time with the application for membership in NATO by Georgia," McCain told Fox News television.

"As you know, through the NATO membership, that if a member nation is attacked, it is viewed as an attack on all," said the Arizona senator, alluding to Russia's military aggression on Georgia.

"We don't have, I think, right now, the ability to intervene in any way except in a humanitarian, economic way, and do what we can to help the Georgians," he added.

McCain, 71, also reiterated his call for Russia to be kicked out of the Group of Eight most industrialized nations.

"Russia no longer shares any of the values and principles of the G-8, so they should be excluded," he said.

Georgia's bid to join NATO has divided the alliance. During an April summit in Bucharest, NATO leaders deferred putting Georgia and Ukraine on a formal path to membership but agreed that the two former Soviet republics "will become members" at some point.

The formula was intended as a compromise between opposing positions taken by France, Germany and several other members, and the United States, which had pushed hard on behalf of Georgia and Ukraine's NATO aspirations.

It extended no security commitments, but it may have emboldened Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili in his dealings with the Russians, as they stepped up pressure on Tblisi.

And it infuriated the Russians who had been given assurances that the summit would not approve a further NATO expansion into the two former Soviet republics.

To distance himself from President George W. Bush on the Georgia-Russia conflict, McCain said the US leader "probably had a higher opinion of (Russian Prime Minister) Vladimir Putin than I do."

Bush once said he that upon looking into Putin's eyes he saw "his soul" while McCain said he saw "three letters: K-- G-- B."

"Yes, I saw that," McCain said Tuesday.

Asked about his Democratic rival Barack Obama's view of the ongoing conflict in the Caucasus, McCain said he respected the Illinois senator's views, adding that he believed it "important that we act in a bipartisan fashion now.

"There's no room for partisanship now."

Obama, on vacation in Hawaii, on Tuesday read a statement blaming Russia for increasing tensions in the Caucasus.

"No matter how this conflict started, Russia has escalated it well beyond the dispute over South Ossetia and invaded another country," said Obama, 47.

"There is no possible justification for these attacks," he added.

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#1. To: Rotara (#0)

He also claims Benjamin Netanyahu wrote all the lyrics from Led Zeppelin II.

And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot

Dakmar  posted on  2008-08-12   22:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

Bush once said he that upon looking into Putin's eyes he saw "his soul" while McCain said he saw "three letters: K-- G-- B."

"Yes, I saw that," McCain said Tuesday.

Asked about his Democratic rival Barack Obama's view of the ongoing conflict in the Caucasus, McCain said he respected the Illinois senator's views, adding that he believed it "important that we act in a bipartisan fashion now.

"There's no room for partisanship now."

Obama, on vacation in Hawaii, on Tuesday read a statement blaming Russia for increasing tensions in the Caucasus.

"No matter how this conflict started, Russia has escalated it well beyond the dispute over South Ossetia and invaded another country," said Obama, 47.

"There is no possible justification for these attacks," he added.

LOL

Haaaaahahahaha!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-12   22:53:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rotara (#0)

"We don't have, I think, right now, the ability to intervene in any way except in a humanitarian, economic

Note to McKooK...

Hey stupid, that is what the Ruskies wanted to show Georgia and the rest of the world, Bush and NATO are impotent on the ground. Get a clue.

The Russians showed the world what McKooK finally admits. Pooty Putin is laffing all the way to the bank.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-12   22:55:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

Note to McKooK...

Hey stupid, that is what the Ruskies wanted to show Georgia and the rest of the world, Bush and NATO are impotent on the ground. Get a clue.

The Russians showed the world what McKooK finally admits. Pooty Putin is laffing all the way to the bank.

There's more than meets the eye on this sick deal.

Either way, Georgia will be rebuilt now with a whole new emphasis.

Assuming the Russians are dumb enough to return to the status quo (sans South Ossetia and Abkhazia for good).

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-12   22:58:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Dakmar (#1)

Nobody's Fault but Mine: Live in 1977

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-12   22:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Rotara (#4)

Assuming the Russians are dumb enough to return to the status quo (sans South Ossetia and Abkhazia for good).

I look for Georgia and Ukraine to avoid becoming members of NATO.

In doing so, the West agrees that any war on either is war on all of NATO.

Poland among others can vouch for the worthlessness of Western "guarantees".

Georgia and Ukraine need to play both sides, like the Turks have for years.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-12   23:05:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#6)

Georgia and Ukraine need to play both sides, like the Turks have for years.

I think Georgia has screwed itself. Georgia trusted one side and was betrayed. Georgia attacked the other side, enraged it, and lost miserably. Who wants Georgia now?

The Ukraine - it's a split country anyways. The western part is European leaning and Catholic and more intellectual cultural. The Eastern part is Russia leaning, Greek Orthodox, and it's economy is not bad. Ukraine can play both sides, but that's because it really doesn't want to stay united. I heard the east is clamoring to join the Ruskies, now that Russia has kicked out the Oligarchs and the Greek Orthodox Church is gaining lots of its pre-1917 revolution stature. And of course western Ukraine despises Russia because of the Holomodor. Lots more Russian citizens in the east. The Ukies -east and west - probably dislike each other as much as they do the West and Russia respectively. I don't see the Ukies playing both sides well because of their own internal disputes. Lots of corruption in the Ukraine still.

Poland - poor Poland - does Poland still have one of the twin brothers running it? He's pretty smart actually.

The Czech Republic is probably the smartest in navigating between the Russians and the West. The Czechs might do okay, they are survivors just like the Turks

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-13   0:10:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rotara (#0)

"I would move forward at the right time with the application for membership in NATO by Georgia," McCain told Fox News television.

I guess there are benefits to having a former lobbyist for Georgia be one of his advisors.

I was shocked that no one noticed the irony was McCain said that this conflict was very important for the Euro-Atlantic alliance, since Georgia is part of neither of those.

In a slightly different topic, I was flipping through the talk channels on Sirius last night, and on Fox Talk channel was a guy I think his name was John Jameson or something like that. He was prounouncing about the importance of the conflict, and then he started to discuss geography. He was looking at the Black Sea and he said something like "There's this Panama Canal like area through Istanbul. I'm reading an email that says that you can fit an aircraft carrier through there, it's called the Bosporos or Istanbul Straits, so you can get ships into and out of the Black Sea." I was amazed that someone who was trying to discuss Central Asian issues especially with regards to Georgia and the pipeline interests in the area wouldn't know about the Bosporos! Those straits and the narrowness of that channel have been influencing oil shipments for decades.

Rivers of blood were spilled out over land that, in normal times, not even the poorest Arab would have worried his head over." Field Marshal Erwin Rommel

historian1944  posted on  2008-08-13   7:16:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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