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Title: Russian military moves towards Tbilisi in defiance of Nicolas Sarkozy's peace deal
Source: Telegraph
URL Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor ... colas-Sarkozys-peace-deal.html
Published: Aug 13, 2008
Author: see article
Post Date: 2008-08-13 11:47:04 by Rotara
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Views: 427
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Russian military convoys have left Gori and are on the road to Tbilisi in defiance of the terms of an overnight peace deal brokered by French President Nicolas Sarkozy.

 

Foreign Secretary warns Russia over South Ossetia attack.

A column of 70 Russian military vehicles, including military trucks with anti-aircraft guns and artillery as well as armoured personnel carriers, sped down the road to Tbilisi fluttering Russian flags.

Earlier, as the EU announced plans to send peacekeeping troops to monitor the ceasefire, Russian troops patrolled Gori, destroying an empty Georgian military base in the frontline Georgian town and setting up a checkpoint on the road to Tbilisi.

Civilians in Gori today claimed they had been shot at by Russian soldiers and South Ossetian snipers, who local residents said have been attacking villages outside the town. Georgian troops pulled back from the town of Gori earlier this week.

Georgia has also lost its last stronghold in another separatist province, Abkhazia, overnight as its troops withdrew from the Kodori Gorge.

Russian-backed separatist forces took advantage of the Georgian military's collapse to attack Kodori.

More than 100 Russian military vehicles entered the gorge on Tuesday forcing the Georgian retreat.

Diplomatic efforts to resolve the six-day crisis remain mired in confusing claim and counter-claim.

Russia continued to press its advantage by demanding a review of the future status of separatist regions in Georgia, even though the issue was cut from a French plan for ending the Russian-Georgian conflict.

"It is not possible to resolve these issues outside the context of the status" of the Georgian provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov.

France, which is currently European Union president, called for peacekeeping monitors ahead of an emergency meeting of EU foreign ministers in Brussels this morning.

Bernard Kouchner, the French foreign minister, emphasised that the EU should have a presence "on the ground" in the Georgian breakaway region of South Ossetia.

"The idea of having monitors - what you call peacekeeping troops, I wouldn't call them like that - but European controllers, monitors, facilitators, yes, yes and yes." "Controllers, monitors, European facilitators, I think the Russians would accept that," he added.

He gave no specifics about how large the force would be or which nations would contribute, but Bulgaria has already indicated it would allow its Black Sea port of Burgas to be used a logistics base.

Mr Kouchner's statement appeared to contradict comments made earlier in the day by British Foreign Minister David Miliband, who suggested that an EU peacekeeping force was not required.

He called for a "proper international presence" in the region, but added: "I think at the moment people are talking more about the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE)".

The 56 nation OSCE, which counts both Georgia and Russia as members, has been used in the past as a forum for defusing Cold War tensions.

But EU president France, riding high after the success of president Nicolas Sarkozy in brokering a ceasefire following meetings in both Moscow and Tbilisi, appears keen to secure that triumph with an EU force.

Alexander Stubb, foreign minister from current OSCE president Finland, said the EU would play a central role "either on the side of the civilian crisis management or the side of military crisis management and peacekeeping".

"We have a ceasefire, we do not yet have peace," he noted, adding that limited hostilities were likely to continue.

"What is probably going to happen is a few skirmishes and a few bombs here and there," he said.

Though the EU peacekeeping plan is still at the planning stage, bickering has already broken out among the 27 EU members over how what action, if any, to take against Russia and how strongly to condemn Moscow's actions.

New EU members states from central and eastern Europe, which once felt Moscow's dominance behind the Iron Curtain, have been vocal in their support for Georgia in the face of Russia "aggression".

Yesterday, a delegation of leaders from Poland, Ukraine and three Baltic states arrived in Tbilisi as a gesture of solidarity.

In Brussels, Lithuanian Foreign Minister Petras Vaitiekunas said Russia's military response during fighting in the last week had been "unacceptable and unproportional".

"Of course there must be some consequences of aggression," he said.

But older EU nations, particularly Germany, are keen not to demonise Russia and risk vital ties, notably over energy supplies of oil and gas.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel is due to hold talks with Russian president Dmitry Medvedev on Friday in Russia's Black Sea port of Sochi, just a few miles north of its border with Georgia.

Berlin, which built up close ties with Moscow under the leadership of former Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder, has so far been more moderate in criticism of Russia than other EU states, calling for a ceasefire this week because the conflict had revealed the "clear military superiority of Russian forces".

At the foreign ministers' meeting in Brussels however, David Miliband said that following the war in Georgia, the EU must now decide whether to scrap talks over closening co-operation between the bloc and Moscow.

He said EU ministers would meet next month in France to discuss "whether or not and how to proceed with the partnership and cooperation agreement".

A deal to renew the agreement, initially signed in the 1990s, has been stalled for years.


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A column of 70 Russian military vehicles, including military trucks with anti-aircraft guns and artillery as well as armoured personnel carriers, sped down the road to Tbilisi fluttering Russian flags.

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#1. To: TwentyTwelve, Cynicom, historian1944 (#0)

A column of 70 Russian military vehicles, including military trucks with anti-aircraft guns and artillery as well as armoured personnel carriers, sped down the road to Tbilisi fluttering Russian flags.

Earlier, as the EU announced plans to send peacekeeping troops to monitor the ceasefire, Russian troops patrolled Gori, destroying an empty Georgian military base in the frontline Georgian town and setting up a checkpoint on the road to Tbilisi.

Oy vey! This is going to get worse yet!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   11:49:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Rotara (#0)

I suspect Sadsackashveli is peeing his pants about now. You might be able to tickle the Bear's Whiskers, but a right hook in the nose is just going to piss him off.

My advice to the Georgian Premier is to head for greener pastures - and write if he finds work.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-08-13   11:58:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Original_Intent (#2)

I suspect Sadsackashveli is peeing his pants about now.

At 30,000 ft. as he's whisked away on vacation in France.

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-08-13   12:01:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#2)

I suspect Sadsackashveli is peeing his pants about now. You might be able to tickle the Bear's Whiskers, but a right hook in the nose is just going to piss him off.

My advice to the Georgian Premier is to head for greener pastures - and write if he finds work.

LOL

He sure is in a whole mess of trouble right now.

Going for Tbilisi will change the dynamics here tremendously and play into the Trilat/neocon's hands of wanting a NATO-Russian conflict IMO.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   12:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: noone222 (#3)

I suspect Sadsackashveli is peeing his pants about now.

At 30,000 ft. as he's whisked away on vacation in France.

That's probably spot on.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   12:06:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: All (#0)

Mikhail Saakashvili

Bodyguards escort Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, to shelter under a
threat of Russian air attack in Gori, GeorgiaGeorgian president forced to take
cover in Gori

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   12:11:27 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: All (#6)

South Ossetian separatists backed by Russian forces were accused today of deliberately targeting civilians around the abandoned Georgian city of Gori in blatant defiance of a French-brokered ceasefire.

But Georgian officials said that there was no need to panic over a long armed Russian column that rolled out of the city today and headed south towards the capital, Tbilisi.

The convoy of around 100 vehicles, including armoured personnel carriers, turned off the road after 20 km and was thought to be looping back to the disputed enclave.

The ceasefire was agreed yesterday and endorsed both by President Medvedev of Russia and President Saakashvili of Georgia during a visit by Nicolas Sarkozy, the current European Union chairman. It provides for both sides to return to their positions from before the conflict erupted late last week.

But although there were no reports of any engagements between Georgian and Russian forces, Russia was accused of sending tanks and armoured vehicles into Gori today and of sending its soldiers into villages in the surrounding hills from which smoke could be seen rising

Tony Halpin, a Times correspondent, was blocked from entering Gori at a checkpoint manned by Russian soldiers from Chechnya about a kilometre from the town. He then witnessed a "huge" Russian column as it rolled past, including armoured personnel carriers, troop-carrying trucks and support trucks with anti-aircraft guns.

Some of the soldiers aboard the convoy waved Russian flags and shouted out that they were headed for Tbilisi. "The ceasefire agreement specified that they were meant to go backwards. They are clearly going forwards," he said.

But Ekaterine Zguladze, Georgia's deputy interior minister, told a news conference in Tbilisi: "I’d like to calm everybody down. The Russian military is not advancing towards the capital."

Halpin said that the column turned off the Tbilisi road after about 20km and headed east to the village of Orjosani, where the Russians appeared to be preparing some kind of supply base. Many of those with the column were Ossetian irregulars identified by a piece of white cloth tied around their right arms.

Some of those on the convoy said that they had been ordered to set up base there, but a Georgian official later said that the convoy had continued on, looping round back to South Ossetia.

Halpin said that Georgian forces had set up defensive positions about 10km further down the road towards Tbilisi, about 40km from the capital.

The AFP reported that hundreds of South Ossetian rebels with some Russian army personnel went house-to-house in villages near Gori, setting houses ablaze and looting buildings.

The body of a man, his mouth caked with blood, lay in a street in the village of Dzardzanis and nearby the body of a bearded man could be seen crushed under an overturned mini-van, an AFP journalist reported.

The Human Rights Watch group said its researchers in South Ossetia had "witnessed terrifying scenes of destruction in four villages that used to be populated exclusively by ethnic Georgians".

Earlier, Kremlin officials and army chiefs had denied Georgian claims that 50 Russian tanks were in Gori, which the Georgian army abandoned two days ago.

Instead, Russia continued to vent its anger on what it called Georgian aggression and atrocities and said that its troops would only return to their positions from before the conflict once Georgian soldiers had returned to their barracks.

Sergei Lavrov, the Foreign Minister, also ruled out the continuing participation of Georgian troops in the international peace-keeping force which has been stationed in the disputed territory for over a decade. The Georgians were "traitors" who had turned round and fired on their Russian colleagues, he said.

Russia said that it had suffered 74 dead, 171 wounded and 19 missing from its armed forces in the brief conflict. It continued to accuse Georgia of "ethnic cleansing" and "genocide" against the Russian majority in South Ossetia.

Russia says that some 2,000 civilians were killed and 100,000 displaced. Condoleezza Rice, the US Secretary of State, urged Mr Lavrov in a telephone call to desist from using the two expressions in relation to Georgia's actions, the Russian minister said. President Medvedev also used the terms yesterday with Mr Sarkozy.

While the war of words raged on between a humiliated Georgia and a re-emboldened Kremlin, the West acknowledged that the five-day war had opened a new chapter in its relations with the former superpower that was once again flexing its muscles.

The United States cancelled joint military exercises and David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, said that Europe should reassess its ties with Russia after its "aggressive" behaviour in Georgia. The Royal Navy also pulled out of joint exercises that Russia was to host in the eastern post of Vladivostok later this month.

In a sign of heightened regional tensions, Viktor Yushchenko, the Ukranian President, signed a decree tightening restrictions on Russia's Black Sea Fleet, which is based in the Ukrainian port of Sevastopol.

It was also becoming increasingly clear that Georgia's assaults on Russian forces in its separatist province had backfired. Mr Saakashvili's conduct came under fire from Eduard Shevardnadze, the Soviet elder statesman who was Georgia's President for eight years until 2003.

"Georgia should not have intervened in [South Ossetian capital] Tskhinvali in such an ill-prepared manner. This was a grave mistake," Mr Shevardnadze told Bild, the German newspaper. "The situation is extremely tense and very complicated. What happens next is uncertain. I hope that the talks of President Saakashvili with his Western partners will lead to an end to the conflict," he said.

Witness: Russian forces head to Tbilisi - 'Civilians targeted' around Gori, as Russian troops on the move (UK Times Online)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   12:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Rotara (#0)

A column of 70 Russian military vehicles, including military trucks with anti-aircraft guns and artillery as well as armoured personnel carriers, sped down the road to Tbilisi fluttering Russian flags. Escalation

The Russians are following their older play book where they let the other guy hit first and then hitting back with everything they have. That puts them on higher moral ground than the US or the neotwit EU who have been chasing a long dead boogy men in Afghanistan or the outright cluster-fuck that is Iraq.

It's rather hard to finger wag at a nation that is defending its citizens in a nation that borders it when you are "nation building" in countries that never harmed you and are half a world away.

I imagine that is why Russia is doing this now. The PR atmosphere couldn't be better.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-08-13   12:14:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#8)

The Russians are following their older play book where they let the other guy hit first and then hitting back with everything they have. That puts them on higher moral ground than the US or the neotwit EU who have been chasing a long dead boogy men in Afghanistan or the outright cluster-fuck that is Iraq.

It's rather hard to finger wag at a nation that is defending its citizens in a nation that borders it when you are "nation building" in countries that never harmed you and are half a world away.

I imagine that is why Russia is doing this now. The PR atmosphere couldn't be better.

I couldn't agree more, Russia is doing exactly what I would do in their shoes.

They have maximized this opportunity.

I'm afraid though that this is what the Trilat/neocons wanted. Russia appears to have taken the whole bait.

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   12:16:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Rotara (#1)

Oy vey! This is going to get worse yet!

It is not over yet.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-08-13   12:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Rotara (#9)

I'm afraid though that this is what the Trilat/neocons wanted. Russia appears to have taken the whole bait.

Whose is baiting who, I wonder.

The terrorism "threat" has worn thin, so DC is trying to bring life back to the "evil empire" as the next new thing to be afraid of. What is happening in Georgia will breath new life into such fear and push the rest of the former eastern block into the NATO corner.

On the flip side, with the shape the US economy is in, a new Cold War will break the US economy and not the Russian one. This time around Moscow will sit back and watch America spend herself into 3rd world status. What's even more Ironic is that the former Warsaw Pact members will now be NATO's problem to finance and equip.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-08-13   12:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Rotara (#0)


"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer

wudidiz  posted on  2008-08-13   12:23:38 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#11)

Whose is baiting who, I wonder.

Think of the last Great Depression. We 'fought our way out of it'. Even though we really didn't. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   12:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: wudidiz (#12)

Haaaahahahaha!

Excellent! Only Momma Bear and baby bear didn't leave, they stayed and eventually ate Suckasswheely. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   12:25:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: TwentyTwelve (#10)

Listening to AJ now?

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   12:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Rotara (#15)

Listening to AJ now?

Yes. Planet Earth is in trouble.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-08-13   12:36:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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