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Title: George Bush squares up to Vladimir Putin over Georgia
Source: UK Times Online
URL Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/ne ... orld/europe/article4524831.ece
Published: Aug 13, 2008
Author: the times
Post Date: 2008-08-13 17:35:17 by Rotara
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Views: 499
Comments: 27

August 14, 2008

George Bush squares up to Vladimir Putin over Georgia

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#1. To: All (#0)

Mr Bush said: “Russia has sought to integrate into the diplomatic, political, economic and security structures of the 21st century. Now Russia is putting its aspirations at risk by taking actions in Georgia that are inconsistent with the principles of those institutions.”

To hell with your new world order Jorge. Maybe Pooty poot can dispatch ALL of you d!cks in short order!

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   17:37:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Rotara (#0)

Contrast this lightning-fast "humanitarian" effort with the glacial response to Katrina. I don't think the Chimp responded at all to that for nearly a week. He was on vacation partying with McStrangelove when it hit.

If it's really true that some African-American mercs/SFs were among those killed by the Russians over the weekend, I've just got to say they were just too stupid to go on breathing. Darwin Award winners extraordinaire.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-08-13   18:17:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rotara (#1)

To hell with your new world order Jorge. Maybe Pooty poot can dispatch ALL of you d!cks in short order!

And the people that own and operate Russia are....??????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-13   18:42:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Cynicom (#3)

And the people that own and operate Russia are....??????

JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS! LOL ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   18:59:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Rotara, christine (#4)

JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOS! LOL ;-)

Now, lets see, if you are correct, how can anyone make sense of this affair with Georgia??????

Perhaps we could also start with the concept that those doing the bleeding and dying by and large are NOT Jews?

Now with our thoughts together, things fall apart, Israel/Jews backing Georgia Jews...American Jews backing Georgia Jews...Russian Jews with Christian soldiers doing the killing. Jew from France arrives as peacemaker.

Do I detect same dirty hands at top pulling ALL the strings or am I just an olde Cynic????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-13   19:24:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Cynicom (#5)

Can you name any names, Cyni?

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-13   19:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: buckeye (#6)

Can you name any names, Cyni?

Buck...

The actual people working the strings are never seen nor heard about by the unwashed masses.

I would say however that Bush, Putin and Sakorzy know them by name.

In twenty years untold "Russians" have gone from nothing to multi billionaires. I believe all but one are Jews. Under Communism, the State owned everything, now they have a few oligarchs that own everything in a few short years. It is a true success story, unless one considers they merely traded their communist banners for capitalist banners. Same people.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-13   19:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Cynicom (#7)

This is based on your observation of patterns, then.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-13   19:39:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: buckeye (#8) (Edited)

This is based on your observation of patterns, then.

This quote from one of their members.

"As Vladimir Potanin, one of their number, disingenuously remarked, ordinary Russians may find it hard to understand how any single Russian, no matter how hard-working, can have honestly amassed billions of dollars in the few years since the collapse of the Soviet Union, given that the Russians all had the same starting position: which was, roughly, on the Zero line. "

This week one of them paid $750 million dollars for an estate on the French Rivera. A home so huge it has 50 full time gardners and grounds keepers. Note he bought a home OUT of Russia???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-13   19:46:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: buckeye, Cynicom, scrapper2, Christine, Orginal_Intent, TEAM AMERICA FIRST, LOL (#6)

Can you name any names, Cyni?

The powers of population control/world governance have used 'Israel'/'Jew' as a cover for all their house of horrors. Israel/Jews are no better or worse than anyone else.

It's the PTB and the traitors who de construct America on their behalf - NAMES!

Israel, Russia, America, (most of) Europe, Australia, etc. are ALL in the hands of the currency makers.

What's their NAMES?! Who are THEIR HAND MAIDENS IN OUR GOVERNMENT?! IN OUR MEDIA? IN THE 'THINK TANKS' and "SECRET ELITE CLUBS"?? AT the Universities? Etc.

WHO EXACTLY are they? Rockefellers? Rothschilds? Warburgs? Schiffs? Bushes? ???

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   19:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#7) (Edited)

The Jews hate Putin, though, because he repatriated a lot of the assets they stole under Yeltsin.

Most of the "oligarchs" (who are overwhelmingly Jewish) are now in exile in either the UK or Israel.

Khodorkovsky's in a Siberian gulag.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-08-13   19:49:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Sam Houston (#11)

The Jews hate Putin, though, because he repatriated a lot of the assets they stole under Yeltsin.

Think Bush might follow his excellent example ? [Just kiddin].

"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."

noone222  posted on  2008-08-13   19:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#9)

"Gentlemen," concluded Napoleon, "I will give you the same toast as before, but in a different form. Fill your glasses to the brim. Gentlemen, here is my toast: To the prosperity of The Manor Farm! "

There was the same hearty cheering as before, and the mugs were emptied to the dregs. But as the animals outside gazed at the scene, it seemed to them that some strange thing was happening. What was it that had altered in the faces of the pigs? Clover's old dim eyes flitted from one face to another. Some of them had five chins, some had four, some had three. But what was it that seemed to be melting and changing? Then, the applause having come to an end, the company took up their cards and continued the game that had been interrupted, and the animals crept silently away.

www.george-orwell.org/Animal_Farm/9.html

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-13   19:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Cynicom (#9)

"As Vladimir Potanin, one of their number, disingenuously remarked, ordinary Russians may find it hard to understand how any single Russian, no matter how hard-working, can have honestly amassed billions of dollars in the few years since the collapse of the Soviet Union, given that the Russians all had the same starting position: which was, roughly, on the Zero line. "

So you're saying JOOOOOOS have an uncanny ability to accrue material wealth? I've met both midas types and dirt farmers. ;-)q

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   19:51:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Sam Houston (#11)

Somewhere months ago I read of massive amounts of money being transferred OUT of Russia but all in secret with no names attached.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, the people had nothing, but a handful of vultures picked the carcass clean.

I recall untold billions this country gave to Russia after the collapse. All justified as humanitarian aid. The people still have nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-13   19:53:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Rotara (#10)

WHO EXACTLY are they? Rockefellers? Rothschilds? Warburgs? Schiffs? Bushes? ???

Ahh yes but the light of day never shines on them, they have lackeys that soil their hands in return for the good life.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-13   19:56:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Rotara (#0)

Today, as I was treadmilling, I had CSPAN on and there was an American Enterprise Institute panel discussion going on about the Russian - Georgia 'war'.

A fellow named Peters, I believe, who is one of our retired military officers was having a fit. He nailed Arbusto as being so unconcerned as to attend a basketball game while Russian was doing this; and he said that the WARLORD Obama was on the beach in Hawaii.....so much for the us response.

He went on to say that we have consistently sent messages to newly formed country governments that are supposed to be our allies that we really don't give a damn. He named (crap, I can't remember for sure but I think he said) Hungary, in the 50s, and then the Iraqi resistance agaisnt Hussein--and how when they formed then we turned our back and they were annihalated by Hussein; and that we have now done the same thing to Georgia. This guy was really livid/angry/pissed.

rowdee  posted on  2008-08-13   20:00:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Rotara, buckeye (#14)

So you're saying JOOOOOOS have an uncanny ability to accrue material wealth?

Author Yuri Lina has long described Jews this way..."They do not earn money, they "get" money.

Took me a long time to truly understand his words.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-13   20:00:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Cynicom, Sam Houston (#15)

Somewhere months ago I read of massive amounts of money being transferred OUT of Russia but all in secret with no names attached.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, the people had nothing, but a handful of vultures picked the carcass clean.

I recall untold billions this country gave to Russia after the collapse. All justified as humanitarian aid. The people still have nothing.

While the events of the past immediately after the Soviet Union's demise may be true, I think Putin has helped Russia immensely to enjoy a turn around in fortune and he personally has put it on a forward path - Russia's economy grew 7% I read - so all Russians in the future may soon actually enjoy a future with a decent life style. Of course, Putin couldn't solve all of Russia's post communist bad baggage all at once, but I think Putin has given ordinary Russians hope for a better tomorrow.

Everything I read on the net suggests that Putin is adored by the majority of Russians - quite literally most of the Russians on the street love Putin, they see him as a savior of sorts - they're probably right - without Putin in power the past few years, Russia might have continued on its serious nose dive, with no end in sight - if there had been no electoral rules in place forbidding Putin from running for yet another term as President, and he had put himself on the ballot again for President, Putin would have won by a landslide and I don't mean a Uncle Saddam style of landslide.

One of the first major good things Putin did was applying the full force of Russian law to bear on the high-handed criminal theft of Russia's riches by the small group of oligarchs. Putin pulled a type of Elliott Ness move against the Russian Oligarch Mafia using existing laws on the books ( not brute force) to trip them up. Pretty smart, I'd say. Some of the oligarchs were caught and put on trial and jailed and the rest fled to London or Tel Aviv and claimed "asylum."

It will be a long journey for Russia but I think all signs are in place for a continued ascension to a level of First World economic power status. I think it still lags in the military power category because Putin has focused on Russia's economy, and I'm not sure that the new Russia is even to interested in spending all the $ it takes to challenge America in that area. Certainly after the Georgia betrayal, now Medvedev-Putin will make sure that Russia has "enough" military modern tech know how and trained human resources and prowess to defend itself and its neighborhood from poachers and encroachers.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-13   20:29:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: rowdee, bush_is_a_moonie, cynicom, scrapper2 (#17)

A fellow named Peters, I believe, who is one of our retired military officers was having a fit. He nailed Arbusto as being so unconcerned as to attend a basketball game while Russian was doing this; and he said that the WARLORD Obama was on the beach in Hawaii.....so much for the us response.

Video posted at cspan. Event Details: The War in the Caucasus: An Initial Assessment

  1. Frederick Kagan, Russian Scholar including military affairs.
  2. Ralph Peters, retired colonel, strategic scout. Has been to the Caucuses. Also listed as a McCain adviser.
  3. Lt. Colonel Bob Hamilton, was recently in Tblisi on active duty apparently for the past two years.
  4. Leon Aron. Voice of America commentator 1990-2004!

Guide to the AEI posting of the video:

( 00:00:00 )  Thomas Donnelly
( 00:03:17 )  Frederick W. Kagan
( 00:21:41 )  Lt. Col. Ralph Peters
( 00:37:21 )  Bob Hamilton
( 00:48:48 )  Leon Aron
( 01:04:01 )  Question and Answer
I haven't seen this yet, but thanks for mentioning it rowdee.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-13   20:30:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: rowdee, Cynicom (#17)

Peters: Sarkozy landing in Paris with a piece of paper guaranteeing 'peace in our time'.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-13   20:38:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: buckeye (#21)

Peters: Sarkozy landing in Paris with a piece of paper guaranteeing 'peace in our time'.

The phrase "peace for our time" was spoken on 30 September 1938 by British prime minister Neville Chamberlain in his speech concerning the Munich Agreement

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   20:40:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: buckeye (#20) (Edited)

Oh grog,gack, barf - I recognize 2 PNAC names from the list.

There's good old reliable shill, Ralphie Peters - he uses his military background to make it seem as though he is an AmericaFirster even though his loyalty lies elsewhere.

Then there's Frederick Kagan. He's even worse than Ralph in his unstated agenda and his elsewhere loyalties. I think it was Freddy computer commando chickenhawk Kagan who was the architect of the T.H.E. surge in Iraq. Nice. Here we have a person, Freddy Kagan, who has not served 1 day in combat or for that matter has ever been in the military period, who is the "architect" of a war policy that the WH and Congress implements and funds. Sheesh.

The other 2 guys I have not heard of before but I suspect they both march along to the AEI/PNAC tune...choruses praising perpetual war...

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-13   20:42:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Rotara, Jethro Tull (#22)

www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_F48oaOskI

Charles Lindbergh's - September 11, 1941 Des Moines Speech

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-13   20:42:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Rotara (#22)

Evil as he was, Hitler knew weak men when I saw them and that included Stalin.

Reason being that Hitler clawed his way up from the bottom.

The others, Chamberlain, Churchill, Daladier, Roosevelt and Stalin arrived at the top by reason of birth and status or by force.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-13   20:47:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#25)

Hitler knew weak men

History is full of proof that one man can make a very large (and bad) difference. Put a few of them together in one room and katie bar the door. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-13   20:52:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: buckeye (#20)

As I listened to Hamilton, I knew he was there in Georgia; he gave a rundown of their military (???) prowess. He explained that we had trained their forces for handling duties in Iraq, but did not give them the training to be able to stand up to Russia.

I thought he was a propagandameister.

Likewise, I thought that with the Peters guy. Soon as he lambasted arbusto and obama with no likewise nailing of mchurian, I knew I was to consider him suspect.

Soon as I was done with the treadmill, I turned it off, so I didn't get to hear the last guy. I honestly can't recall anything the first guy said, but then I wasn't really trying to listen to that--it was just something on the tube to take away from the agony of the treadmill routine. :)

rowdee  posted on  2008-08-13   23:43:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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