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Title: Russia: 'Forget' Georgian territorial integrity
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080814/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia
Published: Aug 14, 2008
Author: CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA
Post Date: 2008-08-14 10:05:49 by Rotara
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19 minutes ago GORI, Georgia - Russia's foreign minister declared that the world "can forget about" Georgia's territorial integrity on Thursday and Georgian and Russian troops faced off at a checkpoint outside the key city of Gori, calling an already shaky cease-fire into question. In Washington, an American official said Russia appears to be sabotaging airfields and other military infrastructure as its forces pull back. The U.S. official described eyewitnesses accounts for The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The official said the Russian strategy seems like a deliberate attempt to cripple the already battered Georgian military. The United States poured aid into the Georgian capital of Tbilisi on Thursday and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice launched emergency talks in France aimed at heading off a wider conflict. The comments from Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov appeared to come as a challenge to the United States, where President Bush has called for Russia to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia." There were at least five explosions near Gori. It could not immediately be determined if the blasts were a renewal of fighting between Georgian and Russian forces, but they sounded similar to mortar shells and occurred after a tense confrontation between Russian and Georgian troops on the edge of the city. The strategically located city is 15 miles south of South Ossetia, the Russian-backed separatist region where Russian and Georgian forces fought a five-day battle. Russian troops entered Gori on Wednesday, after the two sides signed the cease-fire that called for their forces to pull back to the positions they held before the fighting. Georgia early Thursday said the Russians were leaving the city, but later alleged they were bringing in additional troops. In Washington, a Pentagon official said U.S. intelligence had assessed that the number of Russians in Gori was small — about 100 to 200 troops. But the Russian presence in Gori, only 60 miles west of Tbilisi, was viewed as a demonstration of the vulnerability of the capital. Russian deputy chief of General Staff Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn blamed the Georgians for Russia's decision to stay. "The position of the Russia side is not proceed beyond the peacekeeping zone. But we have to respond to provocations," he said. Georgian government officials who went into the city for the possible handover left unexpectedly around midday, followed by a checkpoint confrontation outside Gori which ended when Russian tanks sped toward the area and Georgian police quickly retreated. A Russian general in Gori had said Wednesday it would take at least two days to leave the city. Lavrov said troops were evacuating Georgian weapons and ammunition from a military base there. Some Georgian police said irregular fighters from South Ossetia had refused to leave Gori, where a BBC reporter saw them looting and burning Wednesday night. Two planned U.S. aid flights arrived in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi late Wednesday and Thursday, carrying cots, blankets and medicine for refugees displaced by the fighting. The shipment arrived on a C-17 military plane, an illustration of the close U.S.-Georgia military cooperation that has angered Russia. Besides the hundreds killed since hostilities broke out, the United Nations estimates 100,000 Georgians have been uprooted; Russia says some 30,000 residents of South Ossetia fled into the neighboring Russian province of North Ossetia. Russian troops also appeared to be settling in elsewhere in Georgia outside the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. "One can forget about any talk about Georgia's territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state," Lavrov told reporters. The Georgian Foreign Ministry said Russian troops remained in Poti, a Black Sea port city with an oil terminal that is key to Georgia's fragile economic health. An APTN crew in Poti saw one destroyed Georgian military boat, about 60 feet long, two Russian armored vehicles and two Russian transport trucks inside the port. They were blocked from moving closer by soldiers who identified themselves as Russian peacekeepers. Earlier Thursday, on Poti's outskirts, the APTN crew followed a different convoy of Russian troops as they searched a forest for Georgian military equipment. Another APTN camera crew saw Russian soldiers and military vehicles parked Thursday inside the Georgian government's elegant, heavily-gated residence in the western town of Zugdidi. Some of the soldiers wore blue peacekeeping helmets, others wore green camouflage helmets, all were heavily armed. The scene underlined how closely the soldiers Russia calls peacekeepers are allied with its military. "The Russian troops are here. They are occupying," Ygor Gegenava, an elderly Zugdidi resident told the APTN crew. "We don't want them here. What we need is friendship and good relations with the Russian people." Georgia, bordering the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union. A steady, dejected trickle of Georgian refugees fled the front line in overloaded cars, trucks and tractor-pulled wagons, heading to Tbilisi on the road from Gori. One Soviet-era car carried eight people, including a mother and a baby in the front seat. The open back door of a small blue van revealed at least a dozen people crowded inside. The Russian General Prosecutor's office on Thursday said it has formally opened a genocide probe into Georgian treatment of South Ossetians. For its part, Georgia this week filed a suit against Russia in the International Court of Justice, alleging murder, rape and mass expulsions in both provinces. More homes in deserted ethnic Georgian villages were apparently set ablaze Wednesday, sending clouds of smoke over the foothills north of Tskhinvali, capital of breakaway South Ossetia. One Russian colonel, who refused to give his name, blamed the fires on looters. Those with ethnic Georgian backgrounds who have stayed behind — like 70-year-old retired teacher Vinera Chebataryeva — seem increasingly unwelcome in South Ossetia. As she stood sobbing in her wrecked apartment near the center of Tskhinvali, Chebataryeva said a skirmish between Ossetian soldiers and a Georgian tank had gouged the two gaping shell holes in her wall, bashing in her piano and destroying her furniture. Janna Kuzayeva, an ethnic Ossetian neighbor, claimed the Georgian tank fired the shell at Chebataryeva's apartment. "We know for sure her brother spied for Georgians," said Kuzayeva. "We let her stay here, and now she's blaming everything on us." North of Tskhinvali, a number of former Georgian communities have been abandoned in the last few days. "There isn't a single Georgian left in those villages," said Robert Kochi, a 45-year-old South Ossetian. But he had little sympathy for his former Georgian neighbors. "They wanted to physically uproot us all," he said. "What other definition is there for genocide?" ___ Associated Press writers Misha Dzhindzhikhavili in Tbilisi; Mansur Mirovalev in Tskhinvali, Georgia; Jim Heintz in Moscow; and Anne Gearan, Matthew Lee and Pauline Jelinek in Washington contributed to this report.
Poster Comment: I'll bet Georgia is in NATO soon and built up like never before shortly thereafter.
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#64. To: swarthyguy (#60)
Free Chechnya? Are we going to airlift Chechens from Pakistan to Chechnya and Dagestan and Ingushetia. Well, worked against the Serbs. All Muslims are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Rupert, my friend, you either fight Islamofascist terror or else you surrender to Islamofascist terror. Clinton's "Third Way" simply ignored it and we ended up with 9/11, so that's no longer a valid option, imho...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Me thinks you are extremely drunk on neocon koolaid, and wish to "bury" those dirty (enemy du jour) because your masters tell you they are bad. Who is surrounding who's country with military bases, and propping up dictatorships serving as puppet regimes in order to build even more bases hostile to that other country? Who has attacked TWO nations without cause over the past five years and slaughtered MILLIONS of people? Who is currently rattling their sabers at yet another third world country, trying to provoke them into war which might turn out to be the trigger for WWIII? Hell, your pals might not even wait for that country to react to the provocation, they might just launch massive attacks upon it just because their Israeli masters have ordered it. Do you have children Mud? If you did, I'd bet you'd think a bit about what the consequences of such blatent insanity might be. In fact, you would want the truth, not what the talking heads say, but the REAL truth.
That simply cannot be true...the Vast LeftWing Media Whore'd has spent the last 6-7 years telling us that Bush's America has no friends, no allies, and that we've earned nothing but 100% anti-American hatred. I find it hard to believe that we'll have any allies ever again, unless we empower the ObamaNation, of course...LOL!!
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, That's why it is so commendable, that despite all the business ties between the Bushes and the BinLadins, Bush made it a point of nailing Osama. The High Point of Bush's Presidency. Gotta hand it to him, in this case, he shed his vaunted loyalty to do what's right for America.
When it comes to what's likely to harm me or mine "Islamofascist terror" and other MSM created bogey men are WAY down on my list. Right up there with my being killed by a meteor or eaten by a wolf, I'd say. Find a politician who will do something about real threats to the USA, such as its transformation into a Third World country thanks to uncontrolled immigration, and I might actually give a damn. Oh, wait a minute. Your hero Bush and his pro-amnesty pals are part of that problem. Bush is the Anti- Christ" Not even close to anti-Christ. Just a run of the mill idiot who's in over his head.
You're right I should let him put out the whole "Official Spin" before unloading. Unfortunately I didn't leave him a lot of wiggle room since everything I argued is easily verifiable. About the only thing he has left is to outright lie or pretend that facts are not facts. The usual NeoTrotskyCon avoidance and obscure tactics.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
The High Point of Bush's Presidency. Gotta hand it to him, in this case, he shed his vaunted loyalty to do what's right for America. He made it such a priority that his arm had to be twisted by the CIA and State Department before he'd even consider going into Afghanistan after bin Laden. The Bush administration's first priority from day one was to use 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq, knowing that the public didn't know the difference between Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, or Pakistan anyway. Not to mention the fact that removing Saddam Hussein made it possible for Islamists to fluorish in Iraq.
How do you know what happened on 9/11? Do you know what formed the basis for the "evidence" that 19 "islamofascists" hijacked the airplanes? It was the cellphone conversation between Solicitor General Olson and his wife. Did you know that conversation never took place, and even the FBI states that? Ted Olson's Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials References to official reports and mainstream news articles are provided, so don't try to dismiss the information just because it doesn't come directly from Hannity or Limburgh.
We have a winner - obscure and avoid it is. Wonderful use of meaningless PsyOps terms such as "Islamofascist" (you know the radical Islamists funded by the CIA) and "terror". Cue in scary music: "Ooooooooooo-Oooooooo-- Ooooooooooooooooooooooooo".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
HA, they like Saudi cash as much as the Repubs. The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, four princes and other Saudi entities are immune from a lawsuit filed by victims of the Sept. 11 attacks and their families alleging they gave material support to al Qaeda, a federal appeals court ruled on Thursday. The ruling by the Second Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan upheld a 2006 ruling by U.S. District Judge Richard Casey dismissing a claim against Saudi Arabia, a Saudi charity, four princes and a Saudi banker of providing material support to al Qaeda before the Sept. 11 attacks. The victims and their families argued that because the defendants gave money to Muslim charities that in turn gave money to al Qaeda, they should be held responsible for helping to finance the attacks. The appeals court found that the defendants are protected under the Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act. The court also noted that exceptions to the immunity rule do not apply because Saudi Arabia has not been designated a state sponsor of terrorism by the U.S. State Department.(!!!!!!!!!)
Attaboy Mud! Sling that, errrr, sling those pieces of fecal matter into the air recirculating device. But next time get out of the way. Sigh! Let's see the parroted PsyOps Tag Lines: "Lib'rul Media" (which has not reported on Bush's lies or called them lies, and slavishly regurgitates the White House Talking Points). Yeah, liberrrrrrrrul media. Sheesh. What a schlimiel. Sure, we've got allies and you can clearly count them on one hand: Britain, GEORGIA, and, ummm, errrr, Britain, GEORGIA, ... Halliburton, KBR, Dyncorp, Bechtel, Rotchilds, Rockefuckers, and the rest of the international slave trade and Drug Cartels. Oh, please name all the Oh'Bummer supporters on this thread - and cite proof not just your wild assed smears.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
You're so witty, you remind me of John Edwards.
I think I'll enjoy dinner. And a couple beers. And a cigar before I dive into this thread! ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
People like Mud are just like the Obamaphiles. Disagree with a neocon, you're a "liberal Democrat." Disagree with an Obamaphile, you're a "Bush supporter" or "McCain voter." Never occurs to them that someone can be against both carbon copy political parties. Sure, we've got allies and you can clearly count them on one hand: Britain, GEORGIA, and, ummm, errrr, Britain, GEORGIA, ... Halliburton, KBR, Dyncorp, Bechtel, Rotchilds, Rockefuckers, and the rest of the international slave trade and Drug Cartels You forgot Israel. Sure, their "alliance" costs us six billion a year (3 billion aid, 3 billion + interest free loans), it cost us 34 sailors in 1967, they never contribute a single soldier to any of our war efforts, and their agents, disguised as art students, partied when the twin towers fell on 9/11, but by golly, they're our allies! Meanwhile, even the Brits are starting to have second thoughts about this Iraq business.
Watch out for the mud. Regards.
Well you forgot one there OI. You forgot to mention ISRAEL.
and don't forget hillary
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
Sounds like a plan - particularly the cigar. I had one of JR's "Flor De Baloney" this morning - not bad but a little mild for my taste which runs more to a full bodied smoke. I just made a nice cold pasta salad for later, am listening to Oscar Lopez on the Flamenco Guitar, and sweating like a pig at 101 and rising. Thankfully I'm half lizard and the heat really doesn't bother me that much.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
hahaha..good one, guy.
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
Nope, didn't forget them - I left them out intentionally. Israel is neither an ally nor a friend. I don't count parasitic dependents who use blackmail and extortion to pervert OUR government to THEIR ends.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- christine: and don't forget hillary Who could forget Hitlery?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Disagree with a neocon, you're a "liberal Democrat." Disagree with an Obamaphile, you're a "Bush supporter" or "McCain voter." Never occurs to them that someone can be against both carbon copy political parties. They are two sides of the same counterfeit coin. No, it never occurs to them that there might be position other than fer the Republicrat or fer the Democan. Of course reality is that a lot of them do know but they are too stupid to argue a point on its merits - particularly when most of what they spout is easily disproven lies. Buncha' Schmucks.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Exactly. Both parties are corrupt and controlled by the same people. That is what cracks me up about the Oh'bummerphiles and the Freeptards is that they are both being played for suckers by the same people just with different Puppets. The agenda is the same regardless.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Like a bridge over troubled water And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Oh well we must elect McCain then. Right?
Absolutely. It is exactly what we need someone more insane than Duhbya and no smarter. The country thrives under the control of a psychotic imbecile.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Hey Mud!
Hunnerd.
How come the Powers That Be have not run out of stupid empty suits or psychotic lunatics? You'd think that at some point the pond's slimey creatures supply would be drained.
I beat you by.... I didn't beat you, we tied! 9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB.
They reproduce.
How come the Powers That Be have not run out of stupid empty suits or psychotic lunatics? You'd think that at some point the pond's slimey creatures supply would be drained. They reproduce by fission - like all bacteria. Seriously, they have a stable of them and then promote them as needed. Look at McNuts - he was nowhere in the Primaries, and his campaign was broke, until the Lamestream Mediawhores suddenly began giving him massive free coverage and a couple of (s)Elections were rigged in his favor. Same with Oh'Bummer. These people are serious and they have plenty of psychotics recruited for their needs.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
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#65. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#54)
"fighting Islamofasicst terror"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#66. To: Mudboy Slim (#49)
Methinks you are rather gullible...MUD
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#67. To: Jethro Tull (#59)
"Georgia is our most reliable ally in the region..."
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#68. To: Mudboy Slim (#65)
#69. To: Mudboy Slim (#65)
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#70. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#54)
You should humor Mud.
#71. To: swarthyguy (#68)
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That's why it is so commendable, that despite all the business ties between the Bushes and the BinLadins, Bush made it a point of nailing Osama.
#72. To: Mudboy Slim (#65)
you either fight Islamofascist terror or else you surrender to Islamofascist terror
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#73. To: Mudboy Slim, Rupert_Pupkin, swarthyguy, all (#65)
Rupert, my friend, you either fight Islamofascist terror or else you surrender to Islamofascist terror.
#74. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#71)
And the protection continues......WHERE ARE THE DEMOCRATS SCREAMING ABOUT THIS.
#75. To: Mudboy Slim (#67)
That simply cannot be true...the Vast LeftWing Media Whore'd has spent the last 6-7 years telling us that Bush's America has no friends, no allies, and that we've earned nothing but 100% anti-American hatred. I find it hard to believe that we'll have any allies ever again, unless we empower the ObamaNation, of course...LOL!!
#76. To: Mudboy Slim (#62)
Whatever you say, Reverend Wright
#77. To: Original_Intent (#75)
#78. To: Original_Intent (#75)
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#79. To: Rotara (#77)
before I dive into this thread! ;-)
#80. To: Original_Intent (#75)
Sure, we've got allies and you can clearly count them on one hand: Britain, GEORGIA, and, ummm, errrr, Britain, GEORGIA, ... Halliburton, KBR, Dyncorp, Bechtel, Rotchilds, Rockefuckers, and the rest of the international slave trade and Drug Cartels
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#81. To: Rupert_Pupkin, a vast rightwing conspirator (#78)
Disagree with an Obamaphile, you're a "Bush supporter" or "McCain voter." Never occurs to them that someone can be against both carbon copy political parties.
#82. To: Rotara (#77)
I think I'll enjoy dinner. And a couple beers. And a cigar before I dive into this thread! ;-)
#83. To: swarthyguy (#79)
Watch out for the mud
#84. To: FormerLurker, Rupert Pupkin (#80)
Well you forgot one there OI. You forgot to mention ISRAEL.
#85. To: christine, Rupert_Pupkin, a vast rightwing conspirator (#81)
Disagree with an Obamaphile, you're a "Bush supporter" or "McCain voter." Never occurs to them that someone can be against both carbon copy political parties.
#86. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#78)
People like Mud are just like the Obamaphiles.
#87. To: Original_Intent, Rupert_Pupkin (#86)
They are two sides of the same counterfeit coin.
#88. To: TwentyTwelve (#87)
#89. To: Original_Intent (#88)
Exactly. Both parties are corrupt and controlled by the same people. That is what cracks me up about the Oh'bummerphiles and the Freeptards is that they are both being played for suckers by the same people just with different Puppets. The agenda is the same regardless.
#90. To: TwentyTwelve (#89)
#91. To: All (#90)
#92. To: Original_Intent (#90)
#93. To: TwentyTwelve (#92)
#94. To: TwentyTwelve (#92)
I will ease your mind.
#95. To: Dakmar (#94)
#96. To: TwentyTwelve, Original_Intent, all (#95)
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#97. To: Original_Intent (#30)
We are now at the most dangerous moment in 2,000 years. Will we allow the psychopaths to destroy the planet and our civilization?
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#98. To: farmfriend (#97)
Oh well we must elect McCain then. Right?
#99. To: Mudboy Slim (#98)
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#100. To: Mudboy Slim (#99)
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#101. To: Original_Intent (#98)
(Edited)
Absolutely. It is exactly what we need someone more insane than Duhbya and no smarter. The country thrives under the control of a psychotic imbecile.
#102. To: scrapper2, Mudboy Slim (#101)
22:30:43
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#103. To: scrapper2, Original_Intent (#101)
How come the Powers That Be have not run out of stupid empty suits or psychotic lunatics? You'd think that at some point the pond's slimey creatures supply would be drained.
"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments, and which cannot fail to keep a man (or woman) in everlasting ignorance that principle is contempt prior to investigation." ~ Herbert Spencer
#104. To: scrapper2 (#101)
Absolutely. It is exactly what we need someone more insane than Duhbya and no smarter. The country thrives under the control of a psychotic imbecile.
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