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Title: Russia: 'Forget' Georgian territorial integrity
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080814/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_russia
Published: Aug 14, 2008
Author: CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA
Post Date: 2008-08-14 10:05:49 by Rotara
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19 minutes ago GORI, Georgia - Russia's foreign minister declared that the world "can forget about" Georgia's territorial integrity on Thursday and Georgian and Russian troops faced off at a checkpoint outside the key city of Gori, calling an already shaky cease-fire into question. In Washington, an American official said Russia appears to be sabotaging airfields and other military infrastructure as its forces pull back. The U.S. official described eyewitnesses accounts for The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The official said the Russian strategy seems like a deliberate attempt to cripple the already battered Georgian military. The United States poured aid into the Georgian capital of Tbilisi on Thursday and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice launched emergency talks in France aimed at heading off a wider conflict. The comments from Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov appeared to come as a challenge to the United States, where President Bush has called for Russia to respect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia." There were at least five explosions near Gori. It could not immediately be determined if the blasts were a renewal of fighting between Georgian and Russian forces, but they sounded similar to mortar shells and occurred after a tense confrontation between Russian and Georgian troops on the edge of the city. The strategically located city is 15 miles south of South Ossetia, the Russian-backed separatist region where Russian and Georgian forces fought a five-day battle. Russian troops entered Gori on Wednesday, after the two sides signed the cease-fire that called for their forces to pull back to the positions they held before the fighting. Georgia early Thursday said the Russians were leaving the city, but later alleged they were bringing in additional troops. In Washington, a Pentagon official said U.S. intelligence had assessed that the number of Russians in Gori was small — about 100 to 200 troops. But the Russian presence in Gori, only 60 miles west of Tbilisi, was viewed as a demonstration of the vulnerability of the capital. Russian deputy chief of General Staff Col.-Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn blamed the Georgians for Russia's decision to stay. "The position of the Russia side is not proceed beyond the peacekeeping zone. But we have to respond to provocations," he said. Georgian government officials who went into the city for the possible handover left unexpectedly around midday, followed by a checkpoint confrontation outside Gori which ended when Russian tanks sped toward the area and Georgian police quickly retreated. A Russian general in Gori had said Wednesday it would take at least two days to leave the city. Lavrov said troops were evacuating Georgian weapons and ammunition from a military base there. Some Georgian police said irregular fighters from South Ossetia had refused to leave Gori, where a BBC reporter saw them looting and burning Wednesday night. Two planned U.S. aid flights arrived in the Georgian capital of Tbilisi late Wednesday and Thursday, carrying cots, blankets and medicine for refugees displaced by the fighting. The shipment arrived on a C-17 military plane, an illustration of the close U.S.-Georgia military cooperation that has angered Russia. Besides the hundreds killed since hostilities broke out, the United Nations estimates 100,000 Georgians have been uprooted; Russia says some 30,000 residents of South Ossetia fled into the neighboring Russian province of North Ossetia. Russian troops also appeared to be settling in elsewhere in Georgia outside the breakaway provinces of South Ossetia and Abkhazia. "One can forget about any talk about Georgia's territorial integrity because, I believe, it is impossible to persuade South Ossetia and Abkhazia to agree with the logic that they can be forced back into the Georgian state," Lavrov told reporters. The Georgian Foreign Ministry said Russian troops remained in Poti, a Black Sea port city with an oil terminal that is key to Georgia's fragile economic health. An APTN crew in Poti saw one destroyed Georgian military boat, about 60 feet long, two Russian armored vehicles and two Russian transport trucks inside the port. They were blocked from moving closer by soldiers who identified themselves as Russian peacekeepers. Earlier Thursday, on Poti's outskirts, the APTN crew followed a different convoy of Russian troops as they searched a forest for Georgian military equipment. Another APTN camera crew saw Russian soldiers and military vehicles parked Thursday inside the Georgian government's elegant, heavily-gated residence in the western town of Zugdidi. Some of the soldiers wore blue peacekeeping helmets, others wore green camouflage helmets, all were heavily armed. The scene underlined how closely the soldiers Russia calls peacekeepers are allied with its military. "The Russian troops are here. They are occupying," Ygor Gegenava, an elderly Zugdidi resident told the APTN crew. "We don't want them here. What we need is friendship and good relations with the Russian people." Georgia, bordering the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union. A steady, dejected trickle of Georgian refugees fled the front line in overloaded cars, trucks and tractor-pulled wagons, heading to Tbilisi on the road from Gori. One Soviet-era car carried eight people, including a mother and a baby in the front seat. The open back door of a small blue van revealed at least a dozen people crowded inside. The Russian General Prosecutor's office on Thursday said it has formally opened a genocide probe into Georgian treatment of South Ossetians. For its part, Georgia this week filed a suit against Russia in the International Court of Justice, alleging murder, rape and mass expulsions in both provinces. More homes in deserted ethnic Georgian villages were apparently set ablaze Wednesday, sending clouds of smoke over the foothills north of Tskhinvali, capital of breakaway South Ossetia. One Russian colonel, who refused to give his name, blamed the fires on looters. Those with ethnic Georgian backgrounds who have stayed behind — like 70-year-old retired teacher Vinera Chebataryeva — seem increasingly unwelcome in South Ossetia. As she stood sobbing in her wrecked apartment near the center of Tskhinvali, Chebataryeva said a skirmish between Ossetian soldiers and a Georgian tank had gouged the two gaping shell holes in her wall, bashing in her piano and destroying her furniture. Janna Kuzayeva, an ethnic Ossetian neighbor, claimed the Georgian tank fired the shell at Chebataryeva's apartment. "We know for sure her brother spied for Georgians," said Kuzayeva. "We let her stay here, and now she's blaming everything on us." North of Tskhinvali, a number of former Georgian communities have been abandoned in the last few days. "There isn't a single Georgian left in those villages," said Robert Kochi, a 45-year-old South Ossetian. But he had little sympathy for his former Georgian neighbors. "They wanted to physically uproot us all," he said. "What other definition is there for genocide?" ___ Associated Press writers Misha Dzhindzhikhavili in Tbilisi; Mansur Mirovalev in Tskhinvali, Georgia; Jim Heintz in Moscow; and Anne Gearan, Matthew Lee and Pauline Jelinek in Washington contributed to this report.
Poster Comment: I'll bet Georgia is in NATO soon and built up like never before shortly thereafter.
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#14. To: FormerLurker (#13)
"Major Combat Operations have ended. Commonwealth Forces have prevailed. Victory is ours." -Would've been too much for Medvedev or Putin to have made that comment. They prolly couldn't have kept a straight face.
I know what you mean. Just like our invasion and occupation of Iraq was "Self Defense." The Russians are just taking their lessons from the Bush administration. If Russia's invasion and occupation of Georgia is illegal and immoral, what does that make our occupation of Iraq? It's funny to watch Bush and Cheney moralize about those awful Russians invading and occupying a sovereign nation when we're doing the exact same thing (with as little or less provocation). Do as I say, not as I do is alive and well in the Bush administration. And while we're at it, haven't you noticed any similarities between Russia's "liberation" of South Ossetia from Georgia and our "liberation" of Kosovo from Serbia (which Bush and most of the GOP supported 100%).
No, S2, they acted pragmatically knowing full well that the Georgian Military Strategy of light, quick forces could be overwhelmed by the tanks and artillery, rockets and planes of Russia. They simply demonstrated the modern military reality of the Caucuses, like Reagan did in Grenada and the Carib. What has changed is that the US had no counterweight to what the Russians did. Would we go nuclear over Georgia. The question answers itself.
It's their damn backyard, and it's not as if weren't deliberately trying to cut the Russians out of any pipeline deals. All yer pipelineskis belong to us!
I don't approve of what Russia is doing, but when you think about it, their meddling in the Caucausus is just their version of the Monroe Doctrine. A powerful nation always makes its neighbors satellites - look at American client states in the Caribbean, Central America, etc. Which is still easier to defend that invading and occupying nations half a world away.
"Mission Accomplished" would have been a nice touch... Well realpolitikally speaking, lookin for consistency in foreign affairs among nations is rather futile. Look at the Afghan Jihadis - When in the 80's they were blowing up girls schools, and beheading the female teachers, it was OK because the secularization effort was being lead by the Communists. Now, the savagery of the atrocities is the same, but a guy like Gulbuddin Hekmatyr is now our opponent instead of the ISI's golden boy. Lookit the covert campaign underway in Iran for the past few years - bombs in airplanes, explosions in banks, police buses blown up...... To get consistency, buy a loaf of bread.
I suspect this government has already written off Georgia, Ukraine and Taiwan. We are building a formidable offensive military presence in the Pacific at Guam. Many people believe it is to protect Taiwan, I suspect not, rather it is part of the overall containment of China and Russia. If one looks from North to South, we have Alaska, Japan, Guam, Phillipines and Australia at Asias back door, not as an invasion threat rather as a deterrent for any movement by Russia and China westwards, ME and such. Out of that group, who could we count on in a crisis???? I fear no one. Just as in the West, in a crisis the US would be alone.
I'm sympathetic to Russia.
If I were Putin, I'd tell Shrub, "I'll get out of Georgia and respect its sovereignty when you do the same for Iraq."
The same type of Propaganda Graphic could be drawn for the U.S. desolation and rape of Iraq. Got any good pictures of Abu Ghraib? How about some nice genteel crushing of the nuts of some kid whose parent the Bush Crime Cartel wants something from? How about the murder of something over 1,000,000 Iraqi's in this go round? Possibly 2 to 3 million in Afghanistan, and Toxic Radioactive waste littering the landscape of both Iraq and Afghanistan? (Note Depleted Uranium has a half-life of 4.5 BILLION YEARS.) The greatest force for evil at this time on planet earth is the corrupt and psychopathic government of the United States. Anyone who supports these fiends is an enemy of humanity, peace, freedom, and justice.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
But, but...that's DIFFERENT! Them EYE-RACKEES IS TERRISTS!
In this particular case, I agree with you. Russia is doing exactly what the USA would do in a situation where: a) someone was causing mischief on our doorstep ; b) someone plugged 12 of our citizen-peacekeepers - the USA would not show as much restraint as Russia actually - that pipeline for example would be up in smoke on the 1st day of retaliation - absolutely, without a doubt.
That's a point that usually gets buried in MSM reports. I was about to say that any country whose military fired upon US troops would get a treatment that would make what Russia did to Georgia look like lovemaking, but there's one exception to that rule - the USS Liberty.
Does this bottom make my butt look big? Yo, mama! Baby got butt!
So you are saying regardless of the 12 Russian peacekeepers being plugged, Russia would have reacted with such a massive show of force, instead of merely pushing Georgia back to its own borders, for example?
That is exactly the point. The arrogant hypocrisy of Bush criticizing Russia for responding to a first attack by Georgia as a USraeli Cat's Paw is staggering chutzpah. It is like the old saw about the definition of chutzpah - an adult man arguing for leniency from the court for murdering his parents on the grounds that he's an orphan. There are two clear realities: 1. Iraq did not attack the United States and was AT NO TIME a threat to the United States. 2. Georgia DID attack Russian interests - and committed War Crimes in the process. Because of this situation we now sit on the precipice of a global nuclear war. Russia has stated that they will use nuclear weapons in Georgia to repel a USraeli financed attack if they must. This could very rapidly escalate into an exchange between the U.S., Russia, and possibly China - to finish off the "victor". We are now at the most dangerous moment in 2,000 years. Will we allow the psychopaths to destroy the planet and our civilization?
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
NO, obvious the crossing of the peacekeeper line into Ossetia precipitated the crisis and gave Russia a cassus belli for the retaliation. What is amazing is that the Georgians were unprepared for the retaliation. Why? Didn't they think the Russians would respond, or did they believe that if they quickly occupied S. Ossetia, facts on the ground would restrict the Russian response. And why didn't US Intel spot the Russian Buildup. If they did, did we misjudge the possible response? And did we allow the Georgians to attack knowing about the buildup but not caring about the Russian response. It's inconceivable that we were not aware of the Russian buildup. Shades of April Glaspie's "an Arab border affair".
The sickest element is the fat, dumb, and happy American Sheeple totally oblivious and noncomprehending of the events transpiring which could steal their future, their children's future, and the future of this planet for the next thousand years. Not with a bang but a "What, me worry?".
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Impossible that we did not know.
The Russians are much better Chess Players than the drooling imbecile in the White House and his arrogant psychotic "advisors". I suspect that Russian Intelligence was well aware of what was going to happen and the Georgians walked in and got the Russians right where they wanted them. Russian forces appear to have been deployed in a dispersed set-up which was rapidly pulled together, thus I suspect pre-planned, and the Georgians/USraelis walked right into the set-up. The poisoned pawn was sacrificed and retribution was swift.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Rupert_Pupkin: That's a point that usually gets buried in MSM reports. I was about to say that any country whose military fired upon US troops would get a treatment that would make what Russia did to Georgia look like lovemaking, but there's one exception to that rule - the USS Liberty. You got it! The USS Liberty case is a shameful reminder of how our gov't betrayed US sailors for a foreign nation, Israel - the USS Liberty represents a turning point in US history when our gov't showed its re-ordered priorities, Israeli interests came first, and all of this happened under that devil incarnate, LBJ.
Oh come on OI, no need to get that melodramatic. It's over. The Russians won. No one's going to war over Georgia. All we've done is ship Georgians back to Georgia from Irak and sent a couple of C17's with aid. There's not even talk of the USNavy entering the Black Sea. Has anyone even mentioned US troops? A savage, quick little war that saw Obama vacationing in Hawaii. You'd think the Russians were helping out McCain. And, Bush, he cancelled his Beijing trip to rush back.
I can imagine that, that line, or its equivalent, is all over the board, in various forms, at FReeptard Rezpublik and Little Green Faggots.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Bush and NATO were found wanting in the eyes of the world. As Mao said long ago, the US and NATO is a paper tiger but with nuclear teeth. Mao always said it would come down to "manpower" at the bitter end of WW3.
Winner of the "Best Israel Advocacy Blog" from Jerusalem Post:
Oh come on OI, no need to get that melodramatic. It's over. The Russians won. No one's going to war over Georgia. All we've done is ship Georgians back to Georgia from Irak and sent a couple of C17's with aid. There's not even talk of the USNavy entering the Black Sea. Has anyone even mentioned US troops? A savage, quick little war that saw Obama vacationing in Hawaii. You'd think the Russians were helping out McCain. And, Bush, he cancelled his Beijing trip to rush back. I wish that were true, but the USraelis are threatening to "resupply" the Georgians, and break the Russian Naval Blockade (which isn't happening of course). I am not saying it is certain I am saying that the possibility of escalation exists as a real possibility and that the drooling faggot and fiends in the White House are not bright, and are psychotic enough, to provoke such an exchange. Do not underestimate the ability of these psychos to do something really really imbecillic and think that it is "survivable" for themselves.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
And Mao ought to know since they helped put him in power. That is the real problem - that between the U.S. Military, now broken by Bush, and the Russians who have been quietly rebuilding the conventional force balance tips in favor of the Russians. Thus the risk of a nuclear confrontation increases with the threat of the Russians to use Tactical Nuclear Weapons in Georgia.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Thanks for the link. So, one thing we can conclude from that is that Little Green Faggots cares not one whit about the well being of the United States if it might dirty an Israeli fingernail.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Georgia, you're fucked. Rice gives Russian peacekeepers more powers By MATTHEW LEE – 1 hour ago PARIS (AP) — Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will ask Georgia to sign a cease-fire agreement with Russia that includes apparent concessions to Moscow but preserves Georgian borders, a U.S. official said Thursday. The pact fleshes out a French-brokered agreement worked out this week, giving Russian peacekeepers the express right to patrol beyond two disputed border regions at the heart of the conflict. The official, speaking on condition of anonymity because the pact is not finalized, said there are important clarifications still to be made and the U.S. would support more powers for the Russian peacekeepers only if they were limited, well defined and temporary. There were Russian peacekeepers in the two disputed regions before the fighting began, and those forces would remain. The difference now would be that the peacekeepers could venture beyond the regions if need be. The official said Russia demanded the expanded mandate for its peacekeepers. The truce plan was agreed to by both sides but it was not yet in full force, and it left some details vague. Rice plans to discuss the pact Friday with the staunchly pro-American leader of Georgia. She is carrying documents for his signature, after which U.S. and French officials predict Russia will begin withdrawing its fighting forces in earnest. French President Nicholas Sarkozy said the documents are "intended to consolidate the cease-fire."
And why didn't US Intel spot the Russian Buildup. If they did, did we misjudge the possible response? And did we allow the Georgians to attack knowing about the buildup but not caring about the Russian response. It's inconceivable that we were not aware of the Russian buildup. I think the dumbkoff President of Georgia was used and abused by the DC/Tel Aviv junta to test the waters to find out how Russia might react if Iran were attacked. I think they got their answer but it may not be what they had hoped for. Let's keep in mind that Russia has Russian citizen-technical advisers working in Iran and that Iran shares a border with Russia. Postscript: we don't need no "intel" to know if the Bear's military was in the woods of Osettia. Russian military has been stationed in N. Osettia for years.
Interesting data. I would imagine it went more like this: Rice: We expect you to withdraw. Russia: Fuck You (in polite diplomatic doublespeak). Rice: Blink, blink, blink. Well, uh, OK. (In diplomatic doublespeak.) We'll see how events unfold over the next few days. I am hoping that they do back off from the precipice, but never underestimate Bush's stupidity or that of his handlers.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Speaking of Rice, we didn't hear her useless yap flapping until recently. Was she on another shoe shopping trip over the weekend or something?
I suspect that it is because she has become such an "empty shoe" that she gets used as a public face only when it serves some PsyOps purpose. Possibly "she's a strong black Woman" and how dare the Russians not say only nice things to a "Woman". Probably to create a psychological contrast subliminally.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Playing the Moral Equivalency game between Iraq and Georgia, are we? Very predictable response from the anti-American Left, imho...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, BWAHAHAHAHA!! Is that what yer weekly version of Pravda is telling you, FL?! Methinks you are rather gullible...MUD
Devolve Power Outta the Federal Leviathan and Back to the States, Please explain how the US bombing, invasion, and occupation of Iraq is fundamentally different from Russia doing the same to Georgia. Iraq, like Georgia, is a sovereign nation, and it never attacked the United States. I think I know your neocon argument ahead of time : EYE-RACKEES ARE TERRISTS...or "WE GOOD, THEY BAD," right? Very predictable response from the anti-American Left, imho...MUD Do you ever post anything that's not verbatim from Fox News or Rush Limbaugh? Hearing the same talking points and slogans over and over again gets tiresome.
Very predictable response from the anti-American Left, imho...MUD Pretty funny stuff, mudboy, but you need to use the sarcasm tag or some people, at first glance, might think you are being serious.
Maybe one day Mud will realize that Fox News is just the Bush administration's Pravda.
Actually NO. There is no real equivalence. Georgia, acting as a U.S. Feral Goobermunt Cat's Paw, attacked Russian interests in a sneak attack and intentionally murdered civilians. The Russians responded repelling the attack and attacking primarily military forces of Georgia which was the agressor. The U.S. attacked and devasted a country, killing over a million non-combatants, while littering the country with radioactive poison, under no threat or real provocation. Saddam offered to go into exile and the U.S. Feral Goobermunt acted to prevent it. The U.S. set up prisons which used foul torture and threats of torture against people randomly picked up in sweeps of Baghdad. There is NO moral equivalence.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
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#17. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#15)
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#19. To: swarthyguy (#14)
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"Major Combat Operations have ended. Commonwealth Forces have prevailed. Victory is ours."
"The real deal is this: the ‘royalty’ controlling the court, the ones with the power, the ones with the ability to make a difference, with the ability to change our course, the ones who will live in infamy if we pass the tipping points, are the captains of industry, CEOs in fossil fuel companies such as EXXON/Mobil, automobile manufacturers, utilities, all of the leaders who have placed short-term profit above the fate of the planet and the well-being of our children." - James Hansen
#20. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#15)
Russia's "liberation" of South Ossetia from Georgia and our "liberation" of Kosovo from Serbia
#21. To: swarthyguy (#12)
Taiwan ponders the Dragon across the straits.
#22. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#18)
#23. To: swarthyguy (#22)
#24. To: Mudboy Slim, Rotara, all (#7)
#25. To: Original_Intent (#24)
#26. To: swarthyguy, Rupert_Pupkin (#22)
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I'm sympathetic to Russia.
#27. To: scrapper2 (#26)
b) someone plugged 12 of our citizen-peacekeepers - the USA would not show as much restraint as Russia actually -
#28. To: Mudboy Slim (#7)
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While the lights were going out in Georgia.....
#29. To: swarthyguy (#16)
No, S2, they acted pragmatically knowing full well that the Georgian Military Strategy of light, quick forces could be overwhelmed by the tanks and artillery, rockets and planes of Russia.
#30. To: Rupert_Pupkin, swarthyguy, christine, Horse, Peppa, farmfriend, Cynicom, CadetD, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, Kamala, HOUNDDAWG, James Deffenbach, Percy Dovetonsils, Pinguinite, ratcat, Palo Verde, aristeides, all (#23)
If I were Putin, I'd tell Shrub, "I'll get out of Georgia and respect its sovereignty when you do the same for Iraq."
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#32. To: All (#30)
#33. To: swarthyguy (#31)
It's inconceivable that we were not aware of the Russian buildup.
#34. To: swarthyguy, Scrapper2 (#31)
It's inconceivable that we were not aware of the Russian buildup.
#35. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#27)
scrapper2: b) someone plugged 12 of our citizen-peacekeepers - the USA would not show as much restraint as Russia actually -
#36. To: Original_Intent (#30)
the precipice of a global nuclear war.
#37. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#25)
But, but...that's DIFFERENT! Them EYE-RACKEES IS TERRISTS!
#38. To: Original_Intent (#34)
The Russians are much better Chess Players than the drooling imbecile in the White House and his arrogant psychotic "advisors".
#39. To: Original_Intent (#37)
Little Green Faggots
#40. To: swarthyguy (#36)
the precipice of a global nuclear war.
#41. To: Cynicom (#38)
As Mao said long ago, the US and NATO is a paper tiger but with nuclear teeth.
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#43. To: Original_Intent (#40)
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Nada, read the story below, we're simply wrapping it up with ribbons.
#44. To: swarthyguy, Cynicom, Rupert_Pupkin (#31)
What is amazing is that the Georgians were unprepared for the retaliation. Why? Didn't they think the Russians would respond, or did they believe that if they quickly occupied S. Ossetia, facts on the ground would restrict the Russian response.
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#46. To: Original_Intent (#45)
#47. To: scrapper2 (#46)
Speaking of Rice, we didn't hear her useless yap flapping until recently. Was she on another shoe shopping trip over the weekend or something?
#48. To: Original_Intent, swarthyguy (#24)
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#49. To: FormerLurker (#13)
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"Russia simply defended its citizens in South Ossetia"
Localities, and Individuals as Prescribed in the U.S. Constitution!!
#50. To: Mudboy Slim (#48)
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Playing the Moral Equivalency game between Iraq and Georgia, are we?
#51. To: Mudboy Slim, Original_Intent, swarthyguy (#48)
Playing the Moral Equivalency game between Iraq and Georgia, are we?
#52. To: scrapper2 (#51)
#53. To: Mudboy Slim, swarthyguy, all (#48)
Playing the Moral Equivalency game between Iraq and Georgia, are we?
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