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Title: Gates: No need for US forces in Georgia
Source: Yahoo - AP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080814/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_russia_georgia
Published: Aug 14, 2008
Author: ANNE GEARAN and MATTHEW LEE
Post Date: 2008-08-14 15:21:25 by Rotara
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Views: 220
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WASHINGTON - Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Thursday he sees no need to invoke American military force in the war between Russia and Georgia and that U.S.-Russian relations could suffer for years if Moscow doesn't retreat. The White House said it was ignoring Russian "bluster" about Georgia never regaining disputed border regions.

At the same time, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was in Paris issuing another urgent call on Russia to honor a previously announced cease-fire with Georgia as she was getting ready to bring the formal agreement to Tbilisi for signing Friday by the president of Georgia, a democratic former Soviet republic now strongly aligned with Washington.

President Bush repeated his call for the cease-fire to be honored and demanded that Moscow respect the "territorial integrity" of Georgia. He spoke after spending nearly four hours getting briefed at CIA headquarters about elements of the war on terror and the grim situation in Georgia.

Bush said he looked forward to hearing directly from Rice at his Texas ranch on Saturday.

French President Nicholas Sarkozy, who has been leading Western efforts to stop the fighting, said the documents are "intended to consolidate the cease-fire."

At the Pentagon, Gates described a broad humanitarian effort for Georgians displaced or harmed by the fighting. He said there isn't any need for U.S. fighting forces there, although the relief effort is being run by the U.S. military. At his side for a news conference, Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. James Cartwright said the military assesses that Russia is "generally complying" with the truce that called for its withdrawal from the hostilities.

Cartwright said Russian forces appeared to be forming up in Georgia in preparation for withdrawal.

"It's difficult at the tactical level to know each and every engagement in each town," he said, "but, generally, the forces are starting to move."

Gates said the Bush administration last year started talks with Russia that officials hoped would develop a long-term strategic partnership. The idea was to give a backbone to the U.S. relationship with Russia across military, diplomatic and economic spheres. But Russia's invasion of Georgia and the weeklong fighting that followed has called that into question, he said.

Gates told reporters he believes Russia has decided "to punish Georgia for daring to try to integrate with the West."

Asked what he thought the Russians are hoping to gain from the fight, Gates said he thinks they are trying to redress what they regard as the many concessions forced on them amid the breakup of the former Soviet Union. They want to "reassert their international status," he said.

Also Thursday, the administration said it will ignore "bluster" from Russia about the future of separatist regions at the heart of the conflict.

"The United States of America stands strongly, as the president of France just said, for the territorial integrity of Georgia," Rice said following a meeting with Sarkozy.

Russia and Georgia have agreed to a truce but Russian tanks and troops remain. Rice was heading to the Georgian capital of Tbilisi with the document and had no plans to visit Moscow.

The pact fleshes out a French-brokered agreement, worked out this week, giving Russian peacekeepers the express right to patrol beyond South Ossetia, the disputed border regions at the heart of the conflict.

U.S. officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the pact is not finalized, said there are important clarifications still to be made and that the U.S. would support additional powers for the Russian peacekeepers only if they were limited, well defined and temporary.

There were Russian peacekeepers in two disputed regions before fighting began, and those forces would remain. The difference now would be that the South Ossetia peacekeepers could venture beyond the small mountainous tract if need be.

The official said Russia demanded the expanded mandate for its peacekeepers.

The truce plan was agreed to by both sides but not yet in full force, and it left some details vague.

Russia's foreign minister declared earlier Thursday that the world "can forget about" Georgia's territorial integrity, strongly suggesting that Russia could absorb the regions where it has supported separatist movements in a goad to Georgia since the election there of a strongly pro-American president.

"I would consider that to be bluster from the foreign minister of Russia," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said. "We will ignore it."

Russia's president met in the Kremlin with the leaders of the separatist provinces, another signal that Moscow could absorb the regions.

At the State Department, spokesman Robert Wood expressed concern over reports that Russia is deliberately sabotaging Georgian military infrastructure. "We are very concerned about these reports; it is a serious situation," Wood said.

The facilities were not identified by American officials, who said the U.S. Embassy in Tbilisi was investigating.

Of the relief efforts, Wood said more than $2 million in U.S. humanitarian assistance had been delivered to Georgia and that three convoys had transported 202 Americans from Georgia to Armenia, the third one carrying 32 Americans.

Explosions were heard near Gori on Thursday as a Russian troop withdrawal from the strategic city seemed to collapse and a fragile cease-fire appeared even more shaky. Meanwhile, the United States poured aid into the Georgian capital of Tbilisi in a Pentagon mission directly challenging Russia's military moves to retake territory in the former Soviet republic.

The United States government is reeling from the near collapse of its closest friend among the former Soviet republics, a strategic Black Sea nation that is an emerging pathway for undeveloped energy reserves and that has worn its zeal for America and the West as a badge of honor.

As the United States mustered humanitarian aid for Georgia, Bush insisted that Russia end all military activity inside its neighbor and withdraw all troops sent in recent days onto Georgian territory.

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Associated Press writers Jennifer Loven, Lolita C. Baldor, Barry Schweid and Pauline Jelinek contributed to this report; AP Writer Matthew Lee reported from Toulon, France.

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On the Net:

State Department background note on Georgia: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/bgn/5253.htm

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#1. To: Rotara (#0)

The PsyOps and Spin is gearing up:

Defense Secretary Robert Gates said ... that U.S.-Russian relations could suffer for years if Moscow doesn't retreat.

Translation: An implied diplomatic threat and for the consumption of the American Sheople to convince them that the NEW Cold War is Russia's fault and was not a result of U.S. provocations by supporting and pushing Georgia.

At the same time, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was in Paris (buying shoes) issuing another urgent call on Russia to honor a previously announced cease-fire with Georgia as she was getting ready to bring the formal agreement to Tbilisi for signing Friday by the president of Georgia, a democratic former Soviet republic now strongly aligned with Washington.

Translation: The "Water Girl" is pushing the false line that Russia agreed to the U.S./Georgian Cease Fire gambit when they did not. Again this is for public consumption of the Sheeple to create the impression that Russia agreed to the Cease Fire Gambit when they actually politely told Rice (and USrael) to fuck off.

Gates said the Bush administration last year started talks with Russia that officials hoped would develop a long-term strategic partnership. The idea was to give a backbone to the U.S. relationship with Russia across military, diplomatic and economic spheres. But Russia's invasion of Georgia and the weeklong fighting that followed has called that into question, he said.

B.S.! The U.S. has been encircling Russia with Missile emplacements and now provoked a skirmish with Russia using Georgia as the vehicle. The Russians appear to have diagnosed the intent and hit back hard enough to jar their teeth. This is again for U.S. Sheeple publik consumption to keep them misinformed as to what is actually going on.

At the State Department, spokesman Robert Wood expressed concern over reports that Russia is deliberately sabotaging Georgian military infrastructure. "We are very concerned about these reports; it is a serious situation," Wood said.

They are taking out opposing force bases - a prudent move and no threat to civilian infrastructure or lives.

Explosions were heard near Gori on Thursday as a Russian troop withdrawal from the strategic city seemed to collapse and a fragile cease-fire appeared even more shaky. Meanwhile, the United States poured aid into the Georgian capital of Tbilisi in a Pentagon mission directly challenging Russia's military moves to retake territory in the former Soviet republic.

Thus propping up their puppet and extending the conflict. The humanitarian supplies are no doubt mostly weapons and ammo.

Associated Press writers (from the CIA detachment) Jennifer Loven, Lolita C. Baldor, Barry Schweid and Pauline Jelinek contributed to this report; AP Writer Matthew Lee reported from Toulon, France.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-08-14   16:05:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#1)

Excellent take - thanks.

Lod  posted on  2008-08-14   16:08:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Rotara (#0)

I would consider that to be bluster from the foreign minister of Russia

Well, we would know bluster by now, wouldn't we.

What else have we got.

Georgia, Oh, Georgia, Just an old sweet song, How to get Georgia off my mind....

Too bad Ray Charles is dead. We coulda sent him over to show we mean bidness.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-08-14   16:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#1) (Edited)

for public consumption of the Sheeple to create the impression that Russia agreed to the Cease Fire Gambit when they actually politely told Rice (and USrael) to fuck off.

Well, the Russian are OK with that. They won't care what Americans think or the line they are fed if they get what they want.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-08-14   16:53:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: swarthyguy (#4)

Well, the Russian are OK with that. They won't care what Americans think or the line they are fed if the they get what they want.

How do you think Medvedev/Putin will react if the DC/Tel Aviv juntas decide to attack Iran, and in the course of the attack, plug a dozen Russian civilian technicians working there?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-14   16:57:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: scrapper2 (#5)

Well, we might be willing to exchange the Crimea for Iran.

It's old fashioned bargaining. You wanna hit Iran, let us take the Crimea back. Oh, and btw, no NATO for Ukraine.

Honestly, I don't know - plus we've heard rumors of an attack on Iran for 4 years running now.

Like in Iraq during the First Gulf War, the Russians may well pull their people out.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-08-14   17:03:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: swarthyguy (#6)

Honestly, I don't know - plus we've heard rumors of an attack on Iran for 4 years running now.

Like in Iraq during the First Gulf War, the Russians may well pull their people out.

Iraq was not on Russia's door step. Iran is.

At the time of the US pending invasion of Iraq, the US gov't had the backing of the US public and the US only had 1 small air war on the go -Afghanistan - and it was being aided by NATO.

Now the US is bogged down in 2 wars, the US economy is on life support, the US public is sick of war.

So conditions are quite different in 2008 than they were in 2003 and Iran's geo-political location is of more strategic interest to the Ruskies than was the case with Iraq.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-14   17:12:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: scrapper2 (#7)

the US public is sick of war.

So, what do they/we have to do with anything.

That is assuming that Russia would be unhappy with us taking out Iran's nukes.

To me, they might consider it a favor.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-08-14   17:16:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: swarthyguy (#8)

a. So, what do they/we have to do with anything.

b. That is assuming that Russia would be unhappy with us taking out Iran's nukes.

To me, they might consider it a favor.

a. an election year reminds politicians that they need to posture with some humility to the electorate and show consideration of their wants and desires

b. Iran is not an expansionist or aggressive nation - Iran never has been - Russia knows( just like the DC/Tel Aviv juntas know) that Iran poses no threat to any nation - if Iran is seeking to acquire nuclear weapon tech, it is only for the purposes of self-defense. The Ruskies - especially now after the Georgia betrayal - probably agrees with Iran that one cannot ever be too defensively minded while the DC/Tel Aviv Imperialists are on the prowl.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-14   17:29:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: scrapper2 (#9)

Fair enough, but these are countries we're talking about.

Just because Russia agrees with Iran doesn't mean it wouldn't mind the US slapping Iran around.

As to your point about politicians showing the electorate some consideration, the electorate has to demand that from it's politicians. I really don't see that, despite all the BS about this being the most important election of our lives blah blah blah.

Essentially we Americans don't really give a shit about Irak, dead US soldiers or whatever - it's the price of gas and only that which is causing the current angst.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-08-14   17:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Original_Intent (#1)

brilliant

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-14   18:25:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: swarthyguy (#3)

Well, we would know bluster by now, wouldn't we.

What else have we got.

Georgia, Oh, Georgia, Just an old sweet song, How to get Georgia off my mind....

Too bad Ray Charles is dead. We coulda sent him over to show we mean bidness.

I loathe the very core of the new world order elites and their false flag minions. ;-)

"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-14   18:26:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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