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Title: Russia: Poland risks attack because of US missiles
Source: Yahoo - AP
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080815 ... e_eu/russia_us_missile_defense
Published: Aug 15, 2008
Author: JIM HEINTZ
Post Date: 2008-08-15 13:51:07 by Rotara
Keywords: None
Views: 1386
Comments: 90

1 hour, 2 minutes ago

MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland's agreement to accept a U.S. missile interceptor base exposes the ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported.

The statement by Gen. Anatoly Nogovitsyn is the strongest threat that Russia has issued against the plans to put missile defense elements in former Soviet satellite nations.

Poland and the United States on Thursday signed a deal for Poland to accept a missile interceptor base as part of a system the United States says is aimed at blocking attacks by rogue nations. Moscow, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force.

"Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent," Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia's military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons "against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them." Nogovitsyn that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, he said, according to Interfax.

At a news conference earlier Friday, Nogovitsyn had reiterated Russia's frequently stated warning that placing missile-defense elements in Poland and the Czech Republic would bring an unspecified military response. But his subsequent reported statement substantially stepped up a war of words.

U.S. officials have said the timing of the deal was not meant to antagonize Russian leaders at a time when relations already are strained over the recent fighting between Russia and Georgia over the separatist Georgian region of South Ossetia.

Russian forces went deep into Georgia in the fighting, raising wide concerns that Russia could be seeking to occupy parts of its small, pro-U.S. neighbor, which has vigorously lobbied to join NATO, or even to force its government to collapse.

"I think the Russian behavior over the last several days is generally concerning not only to the United States but to all of our European allies," said Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman, when asked about Russian threats against Poland as a result of the missile defense agreement.

He also suggested that earlier U.S. offers for broad cooperation with Moscow on the missile defense program may be reevaluated considering the latest developments.

Under the agreement that Warsaw and Washington reached Thursday, Poland will accept an American missile interceptor base.

Washington says the planned system, which is not yet operational, is needed to protect the U.S. and Europe from possible attacks by missile-armed "rogue states" like Iran. The Kremlin, however, feels it is aimed at Russia's missile force and warns it will worsen tensions.

In an interview on Poland's news channel TVN24, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk said the United States agreed to help augment Poland's defenses with Patriot missiles in exchange for placing 10 missile defense interceptors in the Eastern European country.

He said the deal also includes a "mutual commitment" between the two nations to come to each other's assistance "in case of trouble."

That clause appeared to be a direct reference to Russia.

Poland has all along been guided by fears of a newly resurgent Russia, an anxiety that has intensified with Russia's offensive in Georgia. In past days, Polish leaders said that fighting justified Poland's demands that it get additional security guarantees from Washington in exchange for allowing the anti-missile base on its soil.

"Simply the existence of this installation increases Poland's security," Polish President Lech Kaczynski said Friday.

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Associated Press writers Lolita C. Baldor in Washington and Vanessa Gera in Warsaw, Poland contributed to this report.

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#17. To: Rotara (#0)

"Simply the existence of this installation increases Poland's security," Polish President Lech Kaczynski said Friday.

Of course it increases their security. It also unfortunately makes them much more dependent on the USA for protection. It's not good to be dependent on any foreign nation for any thing.

RickyJ  posted on  2008-08-15   14:36:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: RickyJ (#17)

Of course it increases their security. It also unfortunately makes them much more dependent on the USA for protection. It's not good to be dependent on any foreign nation for any thing.

Entangling alliance. ;-)

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-15   16:11:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Rotara (#25)

Russia has been at Polands throat for centuries.

The last time with Stalin and Hitler.

" * The First Partition: August 5, 1772. * The Second Partition: January 23, 1793 (in which Austria did not participate). * The Third Partition: October 24, 1795.

The less often used term "Fourth Partition of Poland" may refer to any subsequent division of Polish lands, specifically:

* after the Napoleonic Era, the 1815 division of the Duchy of Warsaw at the Congress of Vienna; * the 1832 incorporation of the "Congress Kingdom" into Russia, and the 1846 incorporation of the Republic of Kraków into Austria; and * the 1939 division of Poland between Germany and the Soviet Union pursuant to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.[4]

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-15   20:52:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Cynicom (#28)

Russia has been at Polands throat for centuries.

I think there are a number of reasons for this and it's not just Poland, it's also the Ukraine that Russia has always tried to get under its thumb, sometimes successfully and sometimes not. But there has always been tension with those 3 countries.

1. Both Poland and the Ukraine represent important geo-political buffer states to Mother Russia that an invading army needs to cross to get at Russia so Russia would like to have both nations under its sphere of influence to keep a watchful eye on the leanings/loyalties of the Poles and Ukies so they don't engage in treachery and offer a back door easy access to Russia.

2. Poland and the Ukraine offer Russia ice free seaports for trade and commerce with European nations and for Russia's navy for defense purposes.

3. Poland and the Ukraine have always been culturally and intellectually advanced because of their proximity to European nations like Austria Germany the Netherlands and Scandanavia. Poles and Ukrainians offer Russia an educated and highly trainable pool of subjects to subjugate if necessary.

4. Poland and the Ukraine had land and climate that made them the agricultural bread baskets of Eastern Europe and since much of Russia's terrain and climate were not as hospitable to farming, Poland and the Ukraine were assets for providing food to Russian peoples.

5. Both Poland and the Ukraine have always been fervently nationalistic and if these 2 nations could be put under Russia's thumb, they would serve as object studies to other Eastern European nations who were less populous annd who had less of an innate independent drive or nature - "See, if the Poles and Ukies were thwarted in their efforts to separate from Russia's long hand, what chance do you folks in Estonia or Belarus or Czech Republic have?"

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-15   21:52:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: scrapper2 (#32)

and it's not just Poland,

Russia did not become the worlds largest nation as a gift from God like some other people. They took it by force, threat and intimidation.

Two things come to mind on that subject...

During our Civil War, Russia was meddling, in that by sending a fleet here in support of the North.

The Russians in the 1930s had plans of going to the English channel. That is why they pushed and aided Hitler to move WEST first, in hopes he would be so weakened they could attack from behind and march to the channel. When the West caved in weeks, Stalin knew he was next.

I have zero sympathy for the Russians. They are friends to no one.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-15   22:00:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Cynicom (#34)

I have zero sympathy for the Russians. They are friends to no one.

I did not cite reasons for why Russia has been trying to keep Poland and the Ukraine under its thumb as a matter of being sympathetic to Russia. I merely gave you and others the reasons why I thought Poland and Ukraine were continually victimized by Russia. Russia's reasons are not good for Poland and the Ukraine - they are good reasons for Russia only.

Russia acts in its own interests as most countries do except for America. Since the 6 Day War, America has re-ordered its priorities. It no longer acts solely in its own interests. Since the LBJ Administration, America been acting in 2 nation's best interests - ie. Israel's and America's. Unfortunately Israel's interests are not America's best interests and in fact are the opposite of America's best interests. And that's why we are having the problems we do in the Middle East today.

Professors Mearsheimer and Walt do an excellent job in their 400 page book "The Israel Lobby" in illustrating how our gov't is putting Israel's interests first in our ME foreign policy and how America is suffering terrible consequences for that very reason. ( examples being the situation with Iraq and Iran)

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-15   22:22:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#38. To: scrapper2 (#35)

I did not cite reasons for why Russia has been trying to keep Poland and the Ukraine under its thumb as a matter of being sympathetic to Russia. I merely gave you and others the reasons why I thought Poland and Ukraine were continually victimized by Russia. Russia's reasons are not good for Poland and the Ukraine - they are good reasons for Russia only.

Russia acts in its own interests as most countries do except for America. Since the 6 Day War, America has re-ordered its priorities. It no longer acts solely in its own interests. Since the LBJ Administration, America been acting in 2 nation's best interests - ie. Israel's and America's. Unfortunately Israel's interests are not America's best interests and in fact are the opposite of America's best interests. And that's why we are having the problems we do in the Middle East today.

Professors Mearsheimer and Walt do an excellent job in their 400 page book "The Israel Lobby" in illustrating how our gov't is putting Israel's interests first in our ME foreign policy and how America is suffering terrible consequences for that very reason. ( examples being the situation with Iraq and Iran)

We've already determined that you don't know your head from your ass when it comes to the international globalist power structure. ;-)

Rotara  posted on  2008-08-16 10:58:07 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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