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Title: Dreams from My Father Is an Excellent Read (says I)
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Published: Aug 16, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-08-16 18:40:09 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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To make it short, it's a book Obama wrote when he was about 32. Some 14-15 years ago. To my surprise, it's more than readable. It's captivating. His writing is thoughtful, uninhibited, unafraid - zero cliches or slogans. The style is flawless, the prose is almost musical in quality. Overall, it's a pleasure to read. I bought the book a couple of days ago because I was in this bookstore and the Obama Nation 10-pounders were on display, wall-to-wall. That reminded me that some Obamophobe at this site suggested that I read some of Obama's own works so I could really see that kind of man he really is. I thought that his first book would be best because he wrote it at a time when he wasn't a politician yet or not a national politician for sure. I expected some of that wooden tongue scripts that politicians usually produce but, so far, it's an eye-opener and an unexpected surprise. I recommend that everyone reads this. It may not turn you into an Obama supporter - and he didn't write this 15 years ago to gain supporters - but you will, almost guaranteed, get to better know one of the more interesting politicians of the day and maybe better appreciate what it is to grow up as a super-bright 'minority'. I only read the first 2 chapters today because I am busy studying for some professional certification but, every time I take a break, I go back to Obama's for a few more pages. SURVEY: Has anyone actually read this book? Is anyone else reading it?
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#1. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
Which part did you like/dislike the most?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Dislike the most? The fact that I actually paid for it. Like the most? The fact that I got a refund! ;-)
"If you love wealth more than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, depart from us in peace. We ask not your counsel nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. May your chains rest lightly upon you and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.”—Samuel Adams
You can get it (used for $6.50 + shipping at Amazon). I had it for $9.00 (new) at the store. It's great value in exchange for our rapidly inflating dollars. So far, the greatest surprise was that his daddy was far from being the caricature some of the online media yahoos claim he was.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Like the most? The fact that I got a refund! ;-) Hahahahahaha !
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
I read it. It made it much easier for me to see who the best man of these two candidates to support for president.
I seriously doubt he/she read/listened it. Ignorance is bliss to the narrow-minded.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Notice that the yahoo who put together this 'revealing' (oooh) 2.5 minutes of stuff, couldn't find more than 2 minutes (half a page?) of a 442-page book to reveal to the pea-brains who would claim deep understanding of this book after listening to the 2-minute, out of context clips - the stupid had to feel the remaining 30-seconds with musical sounds because he couldn't find anything else worth quoting or, maybe he got tired of all those words. I believed he crammed 5 or six 'quotations' in 2 the minutes. So, let me ask you. Now, that you listened to this, do you claim or boast about your deep understanding of this book? I believe that you do but I'm asking, just to establish it as a known fact.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I wouldn't give $9.00 to read every word that stupid cs has ever uttered. I can't believe all you guys who talk about how "bright" he is. Guess you have never heard him stammering around when he didn't have a script and a teleprompter. Bright? Not quite. And what about that dumbass speech he gave in Germany about being a "citizen of the world"? Another idiot one worlder, just what we need.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Point me out a post where I claim a "deep understanding" of the book. Here's a hint: You'll find lots where I tell people to read it, but none where I claim a "deep understanding" of it. Try elsewhere with your trolling.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Okay, so you don't have a deep understanding of this book but you encourage everyone to listen to this stupid 2-minute collection of clips. It's very bright.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Thanks for posting the video. The man condemns himself with his own words in his own voice and still some people take up for this guy, a man who even voted against taking care of babies who survived an attempted abortion! How low is that? That is even lower than NARAL and Teddy Kennedy for goodness sakes.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Winston Churchill had a lisp. when he was young, he worked on his pronunciation rehearsing such phrases as “The Spanish ships I cannot see for they are not in sight” to try to cure him of his problem with pronouncing "S". He also later stated that he would become a great public speaker, after a particularly well-received political speech, saying, “My impediment is no hindrance”. Obama does stammer when tired and I heard this when I was at his speech at the University of Oregon a couple of months ago. But like Churchill, this shows he is human who has his feet of clay as well as his talents, brains and graces.
Yeah, he is a real hero, no doubt about it. A man who would vote against saving the life of an abortion victim that survived can be called nothing less than a monster. You claim to be against the death penalty yet support someone who has no qualms whatsoever with murdering the most innocent among us. I don't know what they call that in Oregon but around here we call that being hypocritical.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yeah, we saw an allegedly pro-life man selected for the presidency in 2000 and again in 2008. A man who with stellar rhetoric about the santity of life of even the smallest stem cell. And we have seen this egotistical and bloodthirty monster kill a multitude of thousands of people, maim thousands of others, and displace and destroy the lives of thousands more human beings. It is not enough to simply mouth a pro-life line. I prefer Obama to Bush, Cheney and the man currently running to extend his legacy because he understands and respects human life, human rights and is a leader without the fetters of ego that cripple Bush so. You may not like Obama's opposition to abortion which leaves the decision whether or not to have one to the woman carrying the child, but I understand and respect it because it exists in the context of a very capible and talented leader who has the potential and ability to heal and unite this nation and restore the world's respect for us so foolishly squandered in this war making for political agendas rather then for defense. According to your shallow and blindered view, Bush would make a better POTUS simply because he parrots the pro-life line exactly as evangelical Christians do. I believe that one can never agree with every position someone running for office has, and take the man in the full context of who he is. I support even less of Ron Paul opinions and positions then Obama, yet would support him over him if he had the GOP nomination simply because his credentials as a Constitutionalist and compassionate and couragious man are proven and impeccable. Barack Obama will make a very good president when he is elected, possibly even a great one. I am not going to let unavoidible disagreements on policy and viewpoint between us the basis for not voting for him anymore then I would do so in regards to doing so for Ron Paul if he were the GOP nominee as he very much should be.
You may not like Obama's opposition to abortion which leaves the decision whether or not to have one to the woman carrying the child, but I understand and respect it because it exists in the context of a very capible and talented leader who has the potential and ability to heal and unite this nation and restore the world's respect for us so foolishly squandered in this war making for political agendas rather then for defense. I don't like much of anything about Obama. But then I have never much cared for anyone who thinks there is nothing wrong with murdering the innocent. With him, he even goes farther than the scumbags at NARAL and Teddy Kennedy and voted against saving a baby that survived an attempted abortion. As I said before, a real hero. And don't give me that bs about Bush, I never voted for him in 2000 or in 2004. Never voted for his old man either. But your belief that Obama will be a "a very good president when he is elected, possibly even a great one" is laughable. He would never have gotten as far as he has without the aid and assistance of the establishment, the same folks who tell Bush what to do.* They will tell this scumbag too. You can write that down and if he actually wins the nomination I will not be above pointing and laughing and telling you that I told you so. *Or are you one of those deluded folks who actually believe that all of that money he has raised has come from "just little folks" kicking in 25 and 50 bucks? Some people actually believe stupid $#it like that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I don't know about that, I've given him a generous donation myself, and I have and will continue to canvass and do other work for him in his campaign.
Which certainly proves that old adage about a sucker being born every minute.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Comparing Obama to Ron Paul is laughable. Here's a hint. Compare and contrast the way the mass media treats Obama vs. Paul. Obama is treated like a rock star, Dr. Paul was almost completely blacked out and ignored. The MSM and the interests that it serves know a threat when they see one, and give it the blackout or defamation treatment. They also know one of their own, especially when it comes in a slick package. What does that tell you about which of the two opposes the establishment, and which one serves the establishment?
An email communiqué recently from “anarchists residing in the Eugene/Springfield area” endorses Jim Torrey in his bid to become mayor again. “We hold that a Torrey regime would be sufficiently brutal and unresponsive to drive hordes of otherwise apathetic citizens to our cause,” reads the statement. “To this end we have resurrected Eugene Anarchists for Torrey (EAT).” The group was active in the 2000 elections and hung out at Torrey’s campaign table at the Fairgrounds election night, eating his carrot sticks and chips. A video of a 1999 EAT press conference can be found on youtube.com by searching for PictureEugene and EAT. The anarchists say they are seeking to “replace the vertically organized, representative structures that dominate our society with horizontal, directly democratic ones. To achieve this requires a massive, popular rejection of the existing political and economic system. We hope that the election of Torrey will strip away the kind liberal veneer of the city government and re-energize the anarchist movement in Eugene.” Quoted in the email is EAT member George Hayduke (a fictional character in Edward Abbey novels), saying, “The best political leaders are the ones who are lazy and corrupt.” The group can be contacted through eugeneanarchistsfortorrey@gmail.com and the UO campus newspaper The Insurgent is also listed at the bottom of the endorsement. http://eugeneweekly.com/2008/08/14/news.html#4 Well, let's hope you are wrong, as he is going to replace Bush in the White House. The above amusing news tidbit is one of many examples of your sort of thinking you express here that I have dealt with the last two decades as an activist. I always note the sentiment, but I no longer allow it to paralyze me into inaction politically. Cheers
Why do you think Obama is your personal Messiah? Why do you think he can do no wrong? Why do you defend the indefensible? Just asking...
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Super bright? Surely you jest. His minority status is also in question considering he is only 1/16 black and over 50% white.
God is always good!
Why do you eat dog s__t for dinner? Why do elderly dwarfs make you horny? Why are you collecting used toilet paper from kindergarten bathrooms? I thought I would ask. It is important that you clarify these important issues.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I heard Obama noting something interesting during last night questioning by the mega-pastor. He observed that during Bush's presidency - who is supposedly the pro-lifest of them all - the number of abortion in the US did NOT decrease. And then he killed like a million Iraqis and Afghans on top of that. So the importance of electing a pro-lifer as a prez seems to be crap.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Are you running up and down the sidelines, yelling Obama is my Savior, Obama is my Savior?
Are you dreaming this same wet dream every night, where you wake up just before the tip of your tongue is about to touch McCain's a-hole?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
good lord....give up the insanity that anyone here supports mccain. it's a poor deflection away from your sell out support for a black Marxist.
My goodness, such language. I was not aware you were still posting here. There were several that departed for some other site and I thot you were among them. It looks here as if Obummer is indeed your personal Savior. I hate to tell you but you been swindleed. Of course if you didnt send him any more moeny than you did Paul, then you are just half swindled.
Notice how some people turn to "sex", "gay lifestyle" and body functions when their playbook is taken away????
Some, despite having spent their Internet life learning that both parties reek, feel a need to support one branch over the other. When one buys that paradigm, they therefore need to identify anyone who disagrees with them as a member of the opposite party. How very, very ignorant.
Well, my take is this. American "voters" have made their choice, they want a bigger government, endless war is ok as long as they do not have to go and untold allegiance to Israel is fine with them. These "voters" have selected McKooK and Obummer, both paid their dues at the Whining Wall in Israel. Therefore vast bows down in all due reverence to his selected Messiah. Replace Obummer with Ron Paul and Vast would be on his knees for McKooK. Whatever Tel Aviv says is ok with Vast.
come on, vast. that's gross and beneath you. further you know darn well that not one of the posters you're addressing on this thread are mcCain supporters.
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Vast is exhibit A in why America is over. Nothing we do is going to change things for the better as long as erstwhile intelligent people still allow themselves to become duped by a rigged system. Pull up a chair Cyni, and watch the parade of fools. I'll be damned if I'd waste my time or energy on anyone, be it RP, Baldwin, Barr, or the R or D. Every one of them is useless.
I think I posted this a few days ago. In the past I asked friends to support Paul, their reply was, "I cant I am a dem". Now if I ask if they voting Obummer or McKooK, they say have not made up their mind. Voting either is like asking to be shot or hung, either way the result is the same. Only the near sighted and people unable to think for themselves will support or vote for either loser. I think this way..Regardless of which loser wins, we lose, therefore if Obummer wins and we fight Afghanistan he should draft all his supporters. Same for McKooK.
Please take a look at what my reply was made to. I can write nonsense as much as anyone else. It started with a couple of thoughtfuls suggesting that I view Obama as my personal savior - in fact, the guy who keeps having those indecent McCain dreams also has fantasies of me "running up and down the sidelines, yelling Obama is my Savior, Obama is my Savior". I'm not sure that I can top that level of absurdity but one can always try.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Vast... What little I recall of you was that when Americans here on the forum were looking for someone to represent Americans...all you did was run up and down the sidelines shouting "Paul cant win, Paul cant win". Correct me if I am incorrect. To my recollection no one descended into gutter street language in reply for anything you had to say. Your words..is an excellent read... Having read excerpts from the book, I found several quotes by Obama that were also gutter street language. A Harvard graduate and he stands by such writing? You are entitled to your opinion, one that is not shared by Americans.
He observed that during Bush's presidency - who is supposedly the pro-lifest of them all - the number of abortion in the US did NOT decrease. And then he killed like a million Iraqis and Afghans on top of that. So the importance of electing a pro-lifer as a prez seems to be crap. Never heard Obama say anything that was very interesting. He can't talk without a script and a teleprompter and could well be about as stupid as Bush. Bush talks a good game but he is all hat and no cattle. Do you really believe that a member of a Satanic society like Skull and Bones, which Bush is a member of and which he has never denounced, actually cares about human lives other than his own and whatever few people he actually cares anything about? Anyone who believes any such stupid thing, that Bush or any other establishment politician cares for them is too stupid to be out loose. It would be great to have a real pro-life president. Unfortunately Bush hasn't been that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The pressures to convert ANY elected politician are enormous beyond belief. I happen to have some understanding on how these things work, at all levels because I've been betrayed myself by someone whom sometimes I viewed as a friend but who chose to 'play ball' instead. I can't say that I know of anyone who preserved his purity while playing the game of politics. On the continuum, you have those who decided to 'play ball' before they even started playing. McCain, of the Keating Five is one of them. He's been assimilated 20 or 25 years ago if not earlier. In the middle, you have the vast majority who run for office hoping to do some good and get swallowed and assimilated - little Dr. Faustus types, selling their souls in exchange for something they thought was worth the exchange, then caught in the web and damned forever. Obama is one of the few who didn't sell out completely. He clearly does 'play ball' on many levels but he still has some purity and dignity left in him. Not a lot but enough to make him stand up head and shoulders above the insane, senile crook McCain.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
And I was right, wasn't I? In fact, I said, 'he won't be winning ONE SINGLE STATE' and I was right. And, if you want to quote me honestly, I was saying that it's stupid of him to RUN AS A GOP for THE GOP NOMINATION, (NOT FOR PRESIDENT) and hope to win. I also said that he was going to legitimize the GOP by associating himself with the party of torture, invasion, mass murder and pedophilia. And I was right. No?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Sorry, friend, but you have no idea what you're talking about. He talked with a mega-preacher yesterday for one hour, without a script a teleprompter. He projected intelligence, thoughtfulness, humanity.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestI listened to it (gak)
You've been watching too much 
#2. To: Rotara (#1)
#3. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#2)
(Edited)
Which part did you like/dislike the most?
#4. To: Rotara (#3)
#5. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
Listen to some excerpts in Obama's own voice here.
#6. To: Rotara (#3)
Dislike the most? The fact that I actually paid for it.
#7. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#8. To: noone222 (#6)
#9. To: mirage (#5)
#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4)
You can get it (used for $6.50 + shipping at Amazon). I had it for $9.00 (new) at the store. It's great value in exchange for our rapidly inflating dollars.
Lord Acton
#11. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#9)
So, let me ask you. Now, that you listened to this, do you claim or boast about your deep understanding of this book? I believe that you do but I'm asking, just to establish it as a known fact.
#12. To: mirage (#11)
#13. To: mirage (#5)
Lord Acton
#14. To: James Deffenbach (#10)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
Lord Acton
#16. To: James Deffenbach (#15)
"Yeah, he is a real hero, no doubt about it. A man who would vote against saving the life of an abortion victim that survived can be called nothing less than a monster. You claim to be against the death penalty yet support someone who has no qualms whatsoever with murdering the most innocent among us. I don't know what they call that in Oregon but around here we call that being hypocritical."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#17. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
Lord Acton
#18. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
*"Or are you one of those deluded folks who actually believe that all of that money he has raised has come from "just little folks" kicking in 25 and 50 bucks? Some people actually believe stupid $#it like that."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#19. To: Ferret Mike (#18)
I don't know about that, I've given him a generous donation myself, and I have and will continue to canvass and do other work for him in his campaign.
Lord Acton
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
(Edited)
I support even less of Ron Paul opinions and positions then Obama, yet would support him over him if he had the GOP nomination simply because his credentials as a Constitutionalist and compassionate and couragious man are proven and impeccable.
#21. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#20)
E.A.T. is back loves Torrey (Eugene [Oregon] Anarchists for Torrey)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#22. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)
#23. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
(Edited)
super-bright 'minority'.
#24. To: mirage (#22)
Why do you think Obama is your personal Messiah? Why do you think he can do no wrong? Why do you defend the indefensible?
#25. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
I don't like much of anything about Obama. But then I have never much cared for anyone who thinks there is nothing wrong with murdering the innocent.
#26. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#24)
#27. To: Cynicom (#26)
Are you running up and down the sidelines, yelling Obama is my Savior, Obama is my Savior?
#28. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#27)
#29. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#27)
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
#31. To: Cynicom (#30)
#32. To: Jethro Tull, a vast right wing conspirator (#31)
#33. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#27)
Are you dreaming this same wet dream every night, where you wake up just before the tip of your tongue is about to touch McCain's a-hole?
#34. To: Cynicom (#32)
(Edited)
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
#36. To: christine (#33)
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#37. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#36)
#38. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#25)
I heard Obama noting something interesting during last night questioning by the mega-pastor.
Lord Acton
#39. To: Cynicom (#32)
#40. To: Cynicom (#37)
Americans here on the forum were looking for someone to represent Americans...all you did was run up and down the sidelines shouting "Paul cant win, Paul cant win".
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#38)
He can't talk without a script and a teleprompter and could well be about as stupid as Bush.
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