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Title: Dreams from My Father Is an Excellent Read (says I)
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Published: Aug 16, 2008
Author: Me, Me, Me
Post Date: 2008-08-16 18:40:09 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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To make it short, it's a book Obama wrote when he was about 32. Some 14-15 years ago. To my surprise, it's more than readable. It's captivating. His writing is thoughtful, uninhibited, unafraid - zero cliches or slogans. The style is flawless, the prose is almost musical in quality. Overall, it's a pleasure to read. I bought the book a couple of days ago because I was in this bookstore and the Obama Nation 10-pounders were on display, wall-to-wall. That reminded me that some Obamophobe at this site suggested that I read some of Obama's own works so I could really see that kind of man he really is. I thought that his first book would be best because he wrote it at a time when he wasn't a politician yet or not a national politician for sure. I expected some of that wooden tongue scripts that politicians usually produce but, so far, it's an eye-opener and an unexpected surprise. I recommend that everyone reads this. It may not turn you into an Obama supporter - and he didn't write this 15 years ago to gain supporters - but you will, almost guaranteed, get to better know one of the more interesting politicians of the day and maybe better appreciate what it is to grow up as a super-bright 'minority'. I only read the first 2 chapters today because I am busy studying for some professional certification but, every time I take a break, I go back to Obama's for a few more pages. SURVEY: Has anyone actually read this book? Is anyone else reading it?
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#15. To: Ferret Mike (#14)
Yeah, he is a real hero, no doubt about it. A man who would vote against saving the life of an abortion victim that survived can be called nothing less than a monster. You claim to be against the death penalty yet support someone who has no qualms whatsoever with murdering the most innocent among us. I don't know what they call that in Oregon but around here we call that being hypocritical.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yeah, we saw an allegedly pro-life man selected for the presidency in 2000 and again in 2008. A man who with stellar rhetoric about the santity of life of even the smallest stem cell. And we have seen this egotistical and bloodthirty monster kill a multitude of thousands of people, maim thousands of others, and displace and destroy the lives of thousands more human beings. It is not enough to simply mouth a pro-life line. I prefer Obama to Bush, Cheney and the man currently running to extend his legacy because he understands and respects human life, human rights and is a leader without the fetters of ego that cripple Bush so. You may not like Obama's opposition to abortion which leaves the decision whether or not to have one to the woman carrying the child, but I understand and respect it because it exists in the context of a very capible and talented leader who has the potential and ability to heal and unite this nation and restore the world's respect for us so foolishly squandered in this war making for political agendas rather then for defense. According to your shallow and blindered view, Bush would make a better POTUS simply because he parrots the pro-life line exactly as evangelical Christians do. I believe that one can never agree with every position someone running for office has, and take the man in the full context of who he is. I support even less of Ron Paul opinions and positions then Obama, yet would support him over him if he had the GOP nomination simply because his credentials as a Constitutionalist and compassionate and couragious man are proven and impeccable. Barack Obama will make a very good president when he is elected, possibly even a great one. I am not going to let unavoidible disagreements on policy and viewpoint between us the basis for not voting for him anymore then I would do so in regards to doing so for Ron Paul if he were the GOP nominee as he very much should be.
You may not like Obama's opposition to abortion which leaves the decision whether or not to have one to the woman carrying the child, but I understand and respect it because it exists in the context of a very capible and talented leader who has the potential and ability to heal and unite this nation and restore the world's respect for us so foolishly squandered in this war making for political agendas rather then for defense. I don't like much of anything about Obama. But then I have never much cared for anyone who thinks there is nothing wrong with murdering the innocent. With him, he even goes farther than the scumbags at NARAL and Teddy Kennedy and voted against saving a baby that survived an attempted abortion. As I said before, a real hero. And don't give me that bs about Bush, I never voted for him in 2000 or in 2004. Never voted for his old man either. But your belief that Obama will be a "a very good president when he is elected, possibly even a great one" is laughable. He would never have gotten as far as he has without the aid and assistance of the establishment, the same folks who tell Bush what to do.* They will tell this scumbag too. You can write that down and if he actually wins the nomination I will not be above pointing and laughing and telling you that I told you so. *Or are you one of those deluded folks who actually believe that all of that money he has raised has come from "just little folks" kicking in 25 and 50 bucks? Some people actually believe stupid $#it like that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I don't know about that, I've given him a generous donation myself, and I have and will continue to canvass and do other work for him in his campaign.
Which certainly proves that old adage about a sucker being born every minute.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Comparing Obama to Ron Paul is laughable. Here's a hint. Compare and contrast the way the mass media treats Obama vs. Paul. Obama is treated like a rock star, Dr. Paul was almost completely blacked out and ignored. The MSM and the interests that it serves know a threat when they see one, and give it the blackout or defamation treatment. They also know one of their own, especially when it comes in a slick package. What does that tell you about which of the two opposes the establishment, and which one serves the establishment?
An email communiqué recently from “anarchists residing in the Eugene/Springfield area” endorses Jim Torrey in his bid to become mayor again. “We hold that a Torrey regime would be sufficiently brutal and unresponsive to drive hordes of otherwise apathetic citizens to our cause,” reads the statement. “To this end we have resurrected Eugene Anarchists for Torrey (EAT).” The group was active in the 2000 elections and hung out at Torrey’s campaign table at the Fairgrounds election night, eating his carrot sticks and chips. A video of a 1999 EAT press conference can be found on youtube.com by searching for PictureEugene and EAT. The anarchists say they are seeking to “replace the vertically organized, representative structures that dominate our society with horizontal, directly democratic ones. To achieve this requires a massive, popular rejection of the existing political and economic system. We hope that the election of Torrey will strip away the kind liberal veneer of the city government and re-energize the anarchist movement in Eugene.” Quoted in the email is EAT member George Hayduke (a fictional character in Edward Abbey novels), saying, “The best political leaders are the ones who are lazy and corrupt.” The group can be contacted through eugeneanarchistsfortorrey@gmail.com and the UO campus newspaper The Insurgent is also listed at the bottom of the endorsement. http://eugeneweekly.com/2008/08/14/news.html#4 Well, let's hope you are wrong, as he is going to replace Bush in the White House. The above amusing news tidbit is one of many examples of your sort of thinking you express here that I have dealt with the last two decades as an activist. I always note the sentiment, but I no longer allow it to paralyze me into inaction politically. Cheers
Why do you think Obama is your personal Messiah? Why do you think he can do no wrong? Why do you defend the indefensible? Just asking...
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Super bright? Surely you jest. His minority status is also in question considering he is only 1/16 black and over 50% white.
God is always good!
Why do you eat dog s__t for dinner? Why do elderly dwarfs make you horny? Why are you collecting used toilet paper from kindergarten bathrooms? I thought I would ask. It is important that you clarify these important issues.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I heard Obama noting something interesting during last night questioning by the mega-pastor. He observed that during Bush's presidency - who is supposedly the pro-lifest of them all - the number of abortion in the US did NOT decrease. And then he killed like a million Iraqis and Afghans on top of that. So the importance of electing a pro-lifer as a prez seems to be crap.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Are you running up and down the sidelines, yelling Obama is my Savior, Obama is my Savior?
Are you dreaming this same wet dream every night, where you wake up just before the tip of your tongue is about to touch McCain's a-hole?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
good lord....give up the insanity that anyone here supports mccain. it's a poor deflection away from your sell out support for a black Marxist.
My goodness, such language. I was not aware you were still posting here. There were several that departed for some other site and I thot you were among them. It looks here as if Obummer is indeed your personal Savior. I hate to tell you but you been swindleed. Of course if you didnt send him any more moeny than you did Paul, then you are just half swindled.
Notice how some people turn to "sex", "gay lifestyle" and body functions when their playbook is taken away????
Some, despite having spent their Internet life learning that both parties reek, feel a need to support one branch over the other. When one buys that paradigm, they therefore need to identify anyone who disagrees with them as a member of the opposite party. How very, very ignorant.
Well, my take is this. American "voters" have made their choice, they want a bigger government, endless war is ok as long as they do not have to go and untold allegiance to Israel is fine with them. These "voters" have selected McKooK and Obummer, both paid their dues at the Whining Wall in Israel. Therefore vast bows down in all due reverence to his selected Messiah. Replace Obummer with Ron Paul and Vast would be on his knees for McKooK. Whatever Tel Aviv says is ok with Vast.
come on, vast. that's gross and beneath you. further you know darn well that not one of the posters you're addressing on this thread are mcCain supporters.
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Vast is exhibit A in why America is over. Nothing we do is going to change things for the better as long as erstwhile intelligent people still allow themselves to become duped by a rigged system. Pull up a chair Cyni, and watch the parade of fools. I'll be damned if I'd waste my time or energy on anyone, be it RP, Baldwin, Barr, or the R or D. Every one of them is useless.
I think I posted this a few days ago. In the past I asked friends to support Paul, their reply was, "I cant I am a dem". Now if I ask if they voting Obummer or McKooK, they say have not made up their mind. Voting either is like asking to be shot or hung, either way the result is the same. Only the near sighted and people unable to think for themselves will support or vote for either loser. I think this way..Regardless of which loser wins, we lose, therefore if Obummer wins and we fight Afghanistan he should draft all his supporters. Same for McKooK.
Please take a look at what my reply was made to. I can write nonsense as much as anyone else. It started with a couple of thoughtfuls suggesting that I view Obama as my personal savior - in fact, the guy who keeps having those indecent McCain dreams also has fantasies of me "running up and down the sidelines, yelling Obama is my Savior, Obama is my Savior". I'm not sure that I can top that level of absurdity but one can always try.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Vast... What little I recall of you was that when Americans here on the forum were looking for someone to represent Americans...all you did was run up and down the sidelines shouting "Paul cant win, Paul cant win". Correct me if I am incorrect. To my recollection no one descended into gutter street language in reply for anything you had to say. Your words..is an excellent read... Having read excerpts from the book, I found several quotes by Obama that were also gutter street language. A Harvard graduate and he stands by such writing? You are entitled to your opinion, one that is not shared by Americans.
He observed that during Bush's presidency - who is supposedly the pro-lifest of them all - the number of abortion in the US did NOT decrease. And then he killed like a million Iraqis and Afghans on top of that. So the importance of electing a pro-lifer as a prez seems to be crap. Never heard Obama say anything that was very interesting. He can't talk without a script and a teleprompter and could well be about as stupid as Bush. Bush talks a good game but he is all hat and no cattle. Do you really believe that a member of a Satanic society like Skull and Bones, which Bush is a member of and which he has never denounced, actually cares about human lives other than his own and whatever few people he actually cares anything about? Anyone who believes any such stupid thing, that Bush or any other establishment politician cares for them is too stupid to be out loose. It would be great to have a real pro-life president. Unfortunately Bush hasn't been that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The pressures to convert ANY elected politician are enormous beyond belief. I happen to have some understanding on how these things work, at all levels because I've been betrayed myself by someone whom sometimes I viewed as a friend but who chose to 'play ball' instead. I can't say that I know of anyone who preserved his purity while playing the game of politics. On the continuum, you have those who decided to 'play ball' before they even started playing. McCain, of the Keating Five is one of them. He's been assimilated 20 or 25 years ago if not earlier. In the middle, you have the vast majority who run for office hoping to do some good and get swallowed and assimilated - little Dr. Faustus types, selling their souls in exchange for something they thought was worth the exchange, then caught in the web and damned forever. Obama is one of the few who didn't sell out completely. He clearly does 'play ball' on many levels but he still has some purity and dignity left in him. Not a lot but enough to make him stand up head and shoulders above the insane, senile crook McCain.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
And I was right, wasn't I? In fact, I said, 'he won't be winning ONE SINGLE STATE' and I was right. And, if you want to quote me honestly, I was saying that it's stupid of him to RUN AS A GOP for THE GOP NOMINATION, (NOT FOR PRESIDENT) and hope to win. I also said that he was going to legitimize the GOP by associating himself with the party of torture, invasion, mass murder and pedophilia. And I was right. No?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Sorry, friend, but you have no idea what you're talking about. He talked with a mega-preacher yesterday for one hour, without a script a teleprompter. He projected intelligence, thoughtfulness, humanity.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Vast... You seem to have an obsession with McKooK. What seems to be the problem that when everyone agrees with you, you keep on with the same olde saw????? Recall Paul cant win?????? And everyone agreed with you????? That fixation tends to blind you to reality. It is easier now to understand why you are in fact and deed nothing but a partisan democrat, not a free thinking man and most certainly not an American. Anyone that supports and or votes for McKooK or Obummer, is NOT an American. The party hacks will get in line and vote obediently as programmed.
You're funny, and a hypocrite, and exactly what is wrong with America. If, in a book, a white politician had written the following: That's just how black folk will do ya. Would that person even be in the race for President, much less be lauded by you as the Second Coming? You're such a two-faced joke of a double-standard. You have no honor and no integrity whatsoever.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Obama is one of the few who didn't sell out completely. He clearly does 'play ball' on many levels but he still has some purity and dignity left in him. You have some knack for comedic writing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Define 'American', and I will let you know if I'm one that fits your definition. I believe I stopped paying much attention to labels while in senior high school but labels don't bother me much either so, I don't really care. While in college I was an open and quite vocal anti-communist but I was wearing a Chairman Mao pin (and a Jimi Hendrix one next to it), just for the fun of it. Now, wake up and smell the gourmet coffee. You say that anyone who votes for McCain or Obama is not an American. Well... half of the grownups are going to vote for one of the 2. Possibly more than half. Of the rest, the vast majority couldn't care less of who's the prez, for as long as they get to watch their Oprahs and Jerry Springers or inebriate themselves while watching 'sports' on the teevee. So... who are the Americans and what makes them so?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
He talked with a mega-preacher yesterday for one hour, without a script a teleprompter. He projected intelligence, thoughtfulness, humanity. You wasted a whole hour of your life watching that establishment toady and tell me I don't know what I am talking about? Have you ever read any of the transcripts where that guy is trying to talk without a script or teleprompter? I have and it's sad. He almost makes Bush look about half smart and that takes some doing.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Now that is a real knee slapper. Read the coarse vulgar language of this Harvard graduate and show me "purity" or "dignity".
On the other hand, you don't. :)
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Vast...Short definition for "American"... American...One that rejects all proponents of and adherents to the political system of the United States. That makes you a NON American.
I have read more than enough of Obama's stupid bs to last any reasonable man a lifetime. Wouldn't give a nickel to buy a book that contains every word the nut has ever uttered. And I wasn't the one who said he had any "purity" or "dignity" because I don't think he would even know what those words mean.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Alright, boys. Got to go to bed but I can't say that I didn't learn something today. And, what I learned is that you have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. You really don't. As instances of some collective 'mind' you look as ridiculous and cooky to most normal people as your counterparts at the FR do. You are completely incapable of debating anything because you are uninformed and, apparently, proud to be that way. Your minds are not closed, but locked up and hidden inside some impenetrable vault whose walls are opaque to anything that resembles a thoughtful expression. It's funny to watch your 'debating' that, invariably is 'yes', 'ditto', 'aha', 'me too' when you see something that fits your narrow programming or loud personal attacks if it doesn't. Don't worry, I'm not writing an 'opus'. I'm planning to be back and have more fun with you, but not tonite.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I should have noted I was quoting Mr. vast one of Obamas worshippers. Now we know from whence come the untold millions that have poured into his coffers. Not from Mom and Pop Black, but rather from knee padding, white guilters.
Vast...You forgot that we do not use coarse and vulgar language???? Is that not worth something?
Now we know from whence come the untold millions that have poured into his coffers. Not from Mom and Pop Black, but rather from knee padding, white guilters. One of the reasons America is on its last trip around the bowl.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. James... Obummer is on course to haul in a HALF BILLION dollars. That goes beyond obscene and the partisans see nothing wrong with the system. If Obama wins, the McKooK people will blame us. If McKooK wins the Obama people will blame us and call us racists. Again, no matter which loser wins, we lose.
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Lord Acton
#16. To: James Deffenbach (#15)
"Yeah, he is a real hero, no doubt about it. A man who would vote against saving the life of an abortion victim that survived can be called nothing less than a monster. You claim to be against the death penalty yet support someone who has no qualms whatsoever with murdering the most innocent among us. I don't know what they call that in Oregon but around here we call that being hypocritical."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#17. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
Lord Acton
#18. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
*"Or are you one of those deluded folks who actually believe that all of that money he has raised has come from "just little folks" kicking in 25 and 50 bucks? Some people actually believe stupid $#it like that."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#19. To: Ferret Mike (#18)
I don't know about that, I've given him a generous donation myself, and I have and will continue to canvass and do other work for him in his campaign.
Lord Acton
#20. To: Ferret Mike (#16)
(Edited)
I support even less of Ron Paul opinions and positions then Obama, yet would support him over him if he had the GOP nomination simply because his credentials as a Constitutionalist and compassionate and couragious man are proven and impeccable.
#21. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#20)
E.A.T. is back loves Torrey (Eugene [Oregon] Anarchists for Torrey)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#22. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)
#23. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
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super-bright 'minority'.
#24. To: mirage (#22)
Why do you think Obama is your personal Messiah? Why do you think he can do no wrong? Why do you defend the indefensible?
#25. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
I don't like much of anything about Obama. But then I have never much cared for anyone who thinks there is nothing wrong with murdering the innocent.
#26. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#24)
#27. To: Cynicom (#26)
Are you running up and down the sidelines, yelling Obama is my Savior, Obama is my Savior?
#28. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#27)
#29. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#27)
#30. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
#31. To: Cynicom (#30)
#32. To: Jethro Tull, a vast right wing conspirator (#31)
#33. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#27)
Are you dreaming this same wet dream every night, where you wake up just before the tip of your tongue is about to touch McCain's a-hole?
#34. To: Cynicom (#32)
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#35. To: Jethro Tull (#34)
#36. To: christine (#33)
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#37. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#36)
#38. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#25)
I heard Obama noting something interesting during last night questioning by the mega-pastor.
Lord Acton
#39. To: Cynicom (#32)
#40. To: Cynicom (#37)
Americans here on the forum were looking for someone to represent Americans...all you did was run up and down the sidelines shouting "Paul cant win, Paul cant win".
#41. To: James Deffenbach (#38)
He can't talk without a script and a teleprompter and could well be about as stupid as Bush.
#42. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#39)
#43. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#24)
#44. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#39)
Lord Acton
#45. To: Cynicom (#42)
#46. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#41)
Sorry, friend, but you have no idea what you're talking about.
Lord Acton
#47. To: James Deffenbach (#44)
purity and dignity left in him.
#48. To: James Deffenbach (#44)
You have some knack for comedic writing.
#49. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#45)
#50. To: Cynicom (#47)
Read the coarse vulgar language of this Harvard graduate and show me "purity" or "dignity".
Lord Acton
#51. To: Cynicom (#47)
#52. To: James Deffenbach (#50)
And I wasn't the one who said he had any "purity" or "dignity" because I don't think he would even know what those words mean.
#53. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#51)
#54. To: Cynicom (#52)
I should have noted I was quoting Mr. vast one of Obamas worshippers.
Lord Acton
#55. To: James Deffenbach (#54)
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