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Title: Why some people are terrified of CHUCK BALDWIN
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URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=234674&Disp=9#C9
Published: Aug 16, 2008
Author: thangdatrang
Post Date: 2008-08-16 21:56:43 by Rotara
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Because Chuck Baldwin says: I PUT THE AMERICAN ECONOMY FIRST, NOT THE GLOBAL ECONOMY Poster Comment: Come, anti-Christians, and spew your bile here you sorry mixed bag of LOSERS! ;-)
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#17. To: HOUNDDAWG (#10)
When is the last time you walked by a Judeo Christian church? They are like apples and oranges. You could just as well have Bhuddeo Christian Churches. I'm starting to get a little tired of "our" Judeo values.
Actually, I don't think the government should be involved in the marriage issue and don't believe in getting a license from the state to get married. As for the abortion ban, I am opposed to abortion and that is a perfectly libertarian position--non aggression, especially not against the innocent and who is more innocent than a baby? Would an abortion ban or law against abortion completely end abortions? No, of course not. All I have said is that Chuck Baldwin is infinitely preferable to Obama, who doesn't even mind infanticide, and McCain, who seems to think that it is perfectly all right to kill any number of Americans in bs wars for the benefit of the MIC and the bankers.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Bugs Bunny or Elmer Fudd either one--they would both be giant steps up from those two clowns.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Wrong. The laws should be based on The Constitution and the federal govt has long ago exceeded its limited jurisdiction, because stupid shits like you don't understand the true principles and only agree or disagree if its excessive if it's a bill you support or oppose. According to the present cowards and schemers their "pseudo Christian morality" permits (and funds) the slaughter of Palestinians, Iraqis and any other innocents not protected by the highly dubious morality of which you speak. The questions were posed to someone else for a reason. Your sophomoric reactionary neoconisms are just so much horseshit for people who can't think in the abstract long or deeply enough to understand the harm they cause with their (and your) draconian hypocrisy. Save your shit for the next "rally of the stoopids".
If someone believes, as does Pastor Baldwin, that abortion is murder he would be untrue to his conscience to do otherwise than to oppose it. I disagree with state intervention on it, but do find abortion to be tantamount to infanticide, and I do not share his particular religious beliefs. Obviously you feel otherwise about abortion and thus wish to see your views codified. Abortion is one of those issues that causes strong emotion because for those who oppose it they are opposing what they view as murder, and while you may disagree with that conclusion - given that viewpoint that the anti-abortion movement people have you must admire their commitment to their beliefs. All governments are founded upon moral beliefs and codes. It is simply a matter of determining which one promotes the greatest good for the greatest number.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Concur. I'd even take "Heckle and Jeckle" over Oh'Bummer and McNutz.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
No I was right. The laws are supposed to be moral. Take Nazi Germany for instance. Should their laws have been based on their constitution or should they have just been moral? Back to the constitution. The constitution is supposed to be moral. That is why we have changed several immoral things about it. Such as slavery. Morality shouldn't be at war against the constitution. Take abortion for example. There is nothing in the constitution about protecting the pretend right to abortion. In fact the opposite is true.
However, upon what codes of behavior and morality was the Constitution based? If you read the writings of the Founding Fathers they were all strongly influenced by religious codes of morality. They may not have been born agin' fundamentalists but they very much were influenced by religious thought. You cannot divorce just government from moral codes. Amorality is what has taken us close to the yawning abyss which beckons.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Oh/Bummer and McNutz Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. "The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Bingo - rube, you win the prize for wittiest post today. Good one! harharharahar!
Bingo - rube, you win the prize for wittiest post today. no..no..no... Judeo Christain values. It is a value system based on the 10 commandments and other moral teachings in the Bible. They are compatible. They are the same. You can pretend that they aren't but people who know better will just laugh at you.
because dawg's against federal codification of abortion doesn't translate into his wanting codification of his views, does it? i believe his position, as is mine, is that abortion should be a state legislation issue and not federal. isn't this Ron Paul's opinion as well?
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Ron Paul is wrong on that one. I was willing to let it slide and vote for him anyway because I know where he is coming from. But you can't have legal murder in one state and it illegal in another state. Legal murder is a very stupid idea.
How about a question Obama was to much of a pussy to answer in tonights forum. When do babies get human rights?
I was just commenting within the narrow context of the post. As I pointed out I am opposed to Federal Government intervention even though I personally find abortion a repugnant practice. However, I do agree that abortion is not within the limited mandate granted the Feral Government by the Constitution, and I do not believe that the 3/4 majority necessary to pass an amendment outlawing abortion exists. So, to some degree it is a moot point. Also Ron Paul expressed his opposition to the practice of abortion while still maintaining a Constitutionalist position.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Oh pleazzzzeee...I've had a very hard day dealing with a humorless individual...now you, OldFriend, come on to me with this...err...Biblical we are at one with Israhell...SOS, SOS...rube, Dawg....save me, help me....I am a maiden in distress...
Obama believes in murdering them even after they were born alive from an abortion which didn't "take." He is right up there with Hitler.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. uh...Show me where I said that. I said the values in the old testament and new testament are the same. A common value system or right and wrong. Do you understand now?
I think that can hold true ONLY for Torah True Jews as opposed to Talmudists who wiggle and writhe to avoid the application of those Commandments to the lower animals - you know - non-Jews.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I don't think Obama is right up there with Hitler. I strongly disagree with his position on abortion. But he is no Hitler. I don't know but I suspect that Hitler would have been pro life when it came to Germans.
I can agree with that original.
You cannot take control of another person's body with the law and claim to support the non aggression principle. How would you even know if someone is pregnant without violating the principle and their right to privacy? And, if Baldwin spoke out against America's military imperialism and demanded that the money stay in the pockets of taxpayers, (close 700 bases in 130 countries) then how many families would feel pressured to terminate pregnancies because we can no longer keep mothers at home and survive on a single income? The federal govt is the cause of so many of the problems they pretend to try to solve (and always with criminal sanctions not "socialist subsidies" to expectant mothers because that money is earmarked for military contractors and Israel) and they, the true criminals create boogie persons (some class of citizens, but never "too much govt" or over reaching power hungry politicians and their fellow closet mates, Christian fanatics) to keep us from seeing the truth. Does Baldwin have the courage to stand up and say "Christians don't need to hyphenate with "Judeos" and aren't dependent upon Jews, Israel, Zionism, or the ADL stamp of approval for legitimacy"? Of course not. he's just another cowardly, Jooish bootlicking business-as-usual politician without as much apparent baggage at the starting gate. Any attempt to sell him as "Ron Paul Lite" is horse shit. Why don't you ask Chuck if he'd consider taking the billions in aid from Israel and spending it on poor mommies in America? Then watch how these "Christians" piously chirp why maintaining the Israeli war machine to slaughter unarmed innocents is "more holy" than saving unborn Americans.
Okeedoekee... so you believe in the sanctity of life, I take it. What's your opinion on young lives of around ages 18-25 who are being sent out to fight and die in foreign locations, primarily sand locations for something other than US national defense? I speak of our young soldiers currently stationed in Eeeerak, dying for Israel/MIC/oil industry. Do you feel as strongly about protecting their lives, voting for a candidate who will bring them home ASAP, a top priority for our nation?
I said the values in the old testament and new testament are the same. A common value system or right and wrong. Do you understand now? I fully understood you the first time, Old Friend, Judeo Christian values and THEIR REAL WORLD APPLICATIONS according to Garp, I mean, according to G_d.
You cannot murder your child. What makes it ok one minute and not the next. What about if someone hits your wife in the stomach and kills the unborn. Should they be charge.? If you say yes then you are a hypocrite. If you say no then your a heartless SOB. I say outlaw all abortions. If the bitch wants to get a back alley abortion and ends up bleeding to death. At least justice was served instantly with no judge or jury. Attempted murder...get it?
Wow, just say wow! Old Friend, you are quite the little poster boy for all them down home JudeoChristian (?) values.
Point taken. Obama could even be worse than Hitler because he isn't even pro life for Americans.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Of course not. he's just another cowardly, Jooish bootlicking business-as-usual politician without as much apparent baggage at the starting gate. That is both unfair and untrue. Chuck Baldwin has been a staunch opponent of Zionist aggression, to the point of earning the coveted slur of anti-semite, in his opposition to Zionist actions. He has been in the vanguard in opposing the ADL's anti-free speech "Hate Law" legislation and has been instrumental in keeping it from passing. I don't agree with him on everything but I think you are unfair to him based upon just one issue.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
The problem with your broad brush understanding is, you could not file an intelligent legal brief to oppose an unconstitutional power grab because you don't understand the legal principle at stake. For instance, when the federal govt passed a "gun free zone" around schools based on the interstate commerce clause it was overturned. Do you know why? When you can successfully argue that then you'll be skilled enough for a discussion of this type. No offense but, you're just brow beating me with religious principles and they were not the first priority of those who drafted the constitution. In fact, you can do great harm without realizing it by reaching into the dark while puffed up with a sense of moral outrage and superiority. There is no federal statute that outlaws murder. (except on federal reservations or in the commission of terrorism, etc, and other jurisdictional questions that make it a federal crime. Now if murder is REEL BAD and REEL IMMORAL then why isn't any murder automatically a federal crime? Think about it. The Branch Davidians were murdered and the feds told us they were child abusers. There were no federal child abuse laws that justified the machine gun/immolation murders of those people! They were murdered under the guise of serving a search warrant for an item that would have required a two hundred dollar tax to be paid in order to be in compliance with the law. Believe me, the govt ain't in the business of saving children. they are the number one threat to them, and if you advocate putting their safety in federal hands then you really need to study up some more. Once unborn children become wards of the federal govt then people like Bush will force mothers to take experimental vaccines that enrich drug companies and endanger children's lives. And all because you find abortion so morally reprehensible that you'll grab at any proposed solution including a deal with the demon himself to end it.
Ever heard of the concept of reaping what you sow. So you are against the death penalty? If somone killed your kid you would still be against the death penalty? Not me, i'd string them up myself.
that's funny.
They were just first on the Bill or Rights. The constitution is crap without the Bill of rights.
Show me, if you can, where the Constitution authorizes government payments to foreign governments or welfare for any individual. I can wait. Have you ever read the little book, The Law, by Frederic Bastiat? If not, I highly recommend it and you can read it online here. I suggest if you want Chuck to answer your questions then who better than you to ask him?
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I have never agreed with Bush's bs war and if you had ever read many of my posts you should know that. I am against foreign aid--all of it*--because the Constitution doesn't make any provision for it. I am against bs wars engaged in without a declaration of war by Congress in pursuance of actual and genuine American interests. And not against people who cannot be shown to have harmed us. *By that, I mean government to government aid. I have no objections to American citizens giving freely of their own money to any cause they believe is worthwhile or to any person they want to help no matter where they may be.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. So you are against the death penalty? If somone killed your kid you would still be against the death penalty? Not me, i'd string them up myself. Whatever...so how does death penalty relate to your wishing that "pregnant bitches" die from their back alley abortions? Are you trying to change the subject, maybe? But on the subject of death penalty, to answer your question, I am very consistent in my positions. I believe that the death penalty is a necessary evil in society as is abortion.
Thank you for clarifying your position for me. Frankly I was not certain what your positions are, especially since you said you would vote for Pastor Chuck Baldwin, who I believe holds Israel on the same footing as America. Do you believe Pastor Baldwin, if President, would send American soldiers to fight and die for Israel? Would you support that decision? Postscript: I have no issue with citizens making donations as long as they don't declare donations to foreign nations as being income tax deductible on their US tax returns. Would you agree?
Changing the subject lol. Is that what you were trying to do relating it to the war in Iraq? I don't wish any pregnant women should die. But if they are murdering their babies they sure deserve it and I wouldn't cry a single little tiny eenie weenie tear.
That is actually inconsistant. You are in favor of killing innocents and guilty. So in other words you are for right and wrong. Me on the other hand am against abortion and for the death penalty (if they get it right). Right and right.
It would also be interesting to hear why you think that abortion is "necessary".
Oh. And thanks for answering my previous questions. At least you were courteous enough to do that.
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#18. To: HOUNDDAWG (#13)
Do you believe in a federal DOMA and abortion ban? Will an abortion ban stop abortions or create a black market and a new class of "criminals and border jumpers" just as Prohibition did and federal drug laws have done?
Lord Acton
#19. To: Original_Intent (#16)
I agree. It is Baldwin or a write-in for Bugs Bunny. Even a cartoon rabbit would be better than McO'Bummer.
Lord Acton
#20. To: Old Friend (#15)
That is what laws are supposed to be based on...Morality.
#21. To: HOUNDDAWG (#13)
Shouldn't all who'd use the power of the state to enforce their personal beliefs get out of our bodies and out of our lives?
#22. To: James Deffenbach (#19)
Bugs Bunny or Elmer Fudd either one--they would both be giant steps up from those two clowns.
#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)
#24. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)
The laws should be based on The Constitution and the federal govt has long ago exceeded its limited jurisdiction
#25. To: Original_Intent (#22)
Concur. I'd even take "Heckle and Jeckle" over Oh'Bummer and McNutz.
Lord Acton
#26. To: James Deffenbach (#25)
#27. To: Rube Goldberg (#17)
When is the last time you walked by a Judeo Christian church?
#28. To: scrapper2 (#27)
When is the last time you walked by a Judeo Christian church?
#29. To: Original_Intent, HOUNDDAWG (#21)
Obviously you feel otherwise about abortion and thus wish to see your views codified.
#30. To: christine (#29)
Ron Paul's opinion as well?
#31. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#20)
#32. To: christine, HOUNDDAWG (#29)
#33. To: Old Friend, Rube Goldberg, HOUNDDAWG (#28)
Judeo Christain values. It is a value system based on the 10 commandments and other moral teachings in the Bible. They are compatible. They are the same. You can pretend that they aren't but people who know better will just laugh at you.
#34. To: Old Friend (#31)
How about a question Obama was to much of a pussy to answer in tonights forum. When do babies get human rights?
Lord Acton
#35. To: scrapper2 (#33)
we are at one with Israhell
#36. To: scrapper2, Old Friend (#33)
Judeo Christain values. It is a value system based on the 10 commandments and other moral teachings in the Bible. They are compatible. They are the same. You can pretend that they aren't but people who know better will just laugh at you.
#37. To: James Deffenbach (#34)
#38. To: Original_Intent (#36)
#39. To: James Deffenbach (#18)
As for the abortion ban, I am opposed to abortion and that is a perfectly libertarian position--non aggression, especially not against the innocent and who is more innocent than a baby? Would an abortion ban or law against abortion completely end abortions? No, of course not.
#40. To: James Deffenbach (#34)
Obama believes in murdering them even after they were born alive from an abortion which didn't "take." He is right up there with Hitler.
#41. To: Old Friend (#35)
uh...Show me where I said that.
#42. To: HOUNDDAWG (#39)
You cannot take control of another person's body with the law and claim to support the non aggression principle. How would you even know if someone is pregnant without violating the principle and their right to privacy?
#43. To: Old Friend, HOUNDDAWG (#42)
I say outlaw all abortions. If the bitch wants to get a back alley abortion and ends up bleeding to death. At least justice was served instantly with no judge or jury. Attempted murder...get it?
#44. To: Old Friend (#37)
I don't think Obama is right up there with Hitler. I strongly disagree with his position on abortion. But he is no Hitler. I don't know but I suspect that Hitler would have been pro life when it came to Germans.
Lord Acton
#45. To: HOUNDDAWG (#39)
Does Baldwin have the courage to stand up and say "Christians don't need to hyphenate with "Judeos" and aren't dependent upon Jews, Israel, Zionism, or the ADL stamp of approval for legitimacy"?
#46. To: Original_Intent (#21)
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All governments are founded upon moral beliefs and codes. It is simply a matter of determining which one promotes the greatest good for the greatest number.
#47. To: scrapper2 (#43)
#48. To: James Deffenbach (#44)
Point taken. Obama could even be worse than Hitler because he isn't even pro life for Americans.
#49. To: HOUNDDAWG (#46)
they were not the first priority of those who drafted the constitution.
#50. To: HOUNDDAWG (#39)
Why don't you ask Chuck if he'd consider taking the billions in aid from Israel and spending it on poor mommies in America? Then watch how these "Christians" piously chirp why maintaining the Israeli war machine to slaughter unarmed innocents is "more holy" than saving unborn Americans.
Lord Acton
#51. To: scrapper2 (#40)
(Edited)
Okeedoekee... so you believe in the sanctity of life, I take it. What's your opinion on young lives of around ages 18-25 who are being sent out to fight and die in foreign locations, primarily sand locations for something other than US national defense? I speak of our young soldiers currently stationed in Eeeerak, dying for Israel/MIC/oil industry. Do you feel as strongly about protecting their lives, voting for a candidate who will bring them home ASAP, a top priority for our nation?
Lord Acton
#52. To: Old Friend (#47)
(Edited)
Ever heard of the concept of reaping what you sow.
#53. To: James Deffenbach (#51)
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I have never agreed with Bush's bs war and if you had ever read many of my posts you should know that. I am against foreign aid--all of it--because the Constitution doesn't make any provision for it. I am against bs wars engaged in without a declaration of war by Congress in pursuance of actual and genuine American interests. And not against people who cannot be shown to have harmed us.
#54. To: scrapper2 (#52)
Whatever...so how does death penalty relate to your wishing that "pregnant bitches" die from their back alley abortions? Are you trying to change the subject, maybe?
#55. To: scrapper2 (#52)
But on the subject of death penalty, to answer your question, I am very consistent in my positions. I believe that the death penalty is a necessary evil in society as is abortion. Oh and tell me why abortion is "necessary".
#56. To: scrapper2 (#52)
#57. To: scrapper2 (#52)
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