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Title: Why some people are terrified of CHUCK BALDWIN
Source: LibertyPost
URL Source: http://libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=234674&Disp=9#C9
Published: Aug 16, 2008
Author: thangdatrang
Post Date: 2008-08-16 21:56:43 by Rotara
Keywords: None
Views: 1789
Comments: 171

Because Chuck Baldwin says: I PUT THE AMERICAN ECONOMY FIRST, NOT THE GLOBAL ECONOMY


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#1. To: Rotara (#0)

I can vote for this man.

It is him or Bob Barr. Barr voted for the Patriot act without reading it.

Is Barr for NAFTA and GATT too?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-16   22:02:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Old Friend (#1)

I can vote for this man.

It is him or Bob Barr. Barr voted for the Patriot act without reading it.

Is Barr for NAFTA and GATT too?

I can vote for Chuck too. He is the best man running (and I would say that even if his "competition" were a whole lot better than McCain and Obama--to say that he is better than them is no great compliment). I would have loved to have seen a ticket with Ron and Chuck, that would have been as good as we could have wanted or hoped for.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-08-16   22:28:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: James Deffenbach (#7)

I'll prolly end up voting for Baldwin, he seems to be only candidate left that actually has a soul. I guess that's what bothers me about Barr, he always seemed up for grabs.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-08-16   22:38:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Dakmar (#8)

The way I see it Baldwin is the very best running and I hope he makes it on the ballot where I live. If he doesn't there won't be much use in wasting the gas to go to the polls. I sure won't vote for McCain or Obama.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-08-16   23:30:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: James Deffenbach (#9)

The way I see it Baldwin is the very best running and I hope he makes it on the ballot where I live. If he doesn't there won't be much use in wasting the gas to go to the polls. I sure won't vote for McCain or Obama.

Baldwin supports The Defense Of Marriage Act and and a national abortion ban. But, he (says he) believes that medical marijuana is a state issue and the feds shouldn't get involved.

Do you believe in a federal DOMA and abortion ban? Will an abortion ban stop abortions or create a black market and a new class of "criminals and border jumpers" just as Prohibition did and federal drug laws have done?

As a Christian pastor it would be incumbent upon him as president to punish anyone who went to Canada for an abortion just as our govt would punish someone who goes there for marijuana now.

Do you support codifying his morality into law and enforcing it with criminal penalties? Why is that preferable to Bush's? There are millions of cops and other "drug warriors" (hooked on asset forfeiture) who'd rather keep marijuana illegal and (forced to choose) keep legal abortion. To hear them tell it, marijuana is deadly and dangerous because that's what their "religion" teaches.

Shouldn't all who'd use the power of the state to enforce their personal beliefs get out of our bodies and out of our lives?

Why is one group of hypocritical kooks preferable to another?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-08-17   0:36:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: HOUNDDAWG (#13)

Do you support codifying his morality into law and enforcing it with criminal penalties?

You mean like rape, murder theft.

That is what laws are supposed to be based on...Morality.

What do you want them based on immorality?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-17   0:41:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Old Friend (#15)

That is what laws are supposed to be based on...Morality.

Wrong.

The laws should be based on The Constitution and the federal govt has long ago exceeded its limited jurisdiction, because stupid shits like you don't understand the true principles and only agree or disagree if its excessive if it's a bill you support or oppose.

According to the present cowards and schemers their "pseudo Christian morality" permits (and funds) the slaughter of Palestinians, Iraqis and any other innocents not protected by the highly dubious morality of which you speak.

The questions were posed to someone else for a reason. Your sophomoric reactionary neoconisms are just so much horseshit for people who can't think in the abstract long or deeply enough to understand the harm they cause with their (and your) draconian hypocrisy.

Save your shit for the next "rally of the stoopids".

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-08-17   0:57:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#20)

How about a question Obama was to much of a pussy to answer in tonights forum. When do babies get human rights?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-17   1:15:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Old Friend (#31)

How about a question Obama was to much of a pussy to answer in tonights forum. When do babies get human rights?

Obama believes in murdering them even after they were born alive from an abortion which didn't "take." He is right up there with Hitler.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-08-17   1:18:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: James Deffenbach (#34)

Obama believes in murdering them even after they were born alive from an abortion which didn't "take." He is right up there with Hitler.

Okeedoekee... so you believe in the sanctity of life, I take it. What's your opinion on young lives of around ages 18-25 who are being sent out to fight and die in foreign locations, primarily sand locations for something other than US national defense? I speak of our young soldiers currently stationed in Eeeerak, dying for Israel/MIC/oil industry. Do you feel as strongly about protecting their lives, voting for a candidate who will bring them home ASAP, a top priority for our nation?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-17   1:25:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: scrapper2 (#40) (Edited)

Okeedoekee... so you believe in the sanctity of life, I take it. What's your opinion on young lives of around ages 18-25 who are being sent out to fight and die in foreign locations, primarily sand locations for something other than US national defense? I speak of our young soldiers currently stationed in Eeeerak, dying for Israel/MIC/oil industry. Do you feel as strongly about protecting their lives, voting for a candidate who will bring them home ASAP, a top priority for our nation?

I have never agreed with Bush's bs war and if you had ever read many of my posts you should know that. I am against foreign aid--all of it*--because the Constitution doesn't make any provision for it. I am against bs wars engaged in without a declaration of war by Congress in pursuance of actual and genuine American interests. And not against people who cannot be shown to have harmed us.

*By that, I mean government to government aid. I have no objections to American citizens giving freely of their own money to any cause they believe is worthwhile or to any person they want to help no matter where they may be.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-08-17   1:47:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: James Deffenbach (#51) (Edited)

I have never agreed with Bush's bs war and if you had ever read many of my posts you should know that. I am against foreign aid--all of it--because the Constitution doesn't make any provision for it. I am against bs wars engaged in without a declaration of war by Congress in pursuance of actual and genuine American interests. And not against people who cannot be shown to have harmed us.

Thank you for clarifying your position for me. Frankly I was not certain what your positions are, especially since you said you would vote for Pastor Chuck Baldwin, who I believe holds Israel on the same footing as America. Do you believe Pastor Baldwin, if President, would send American soldiers to fight and die for Israel? Would you support that decision?

Postscript: I have no issue with citizens making donations as long as they don't declare donations to foreign nations as being income tax deductible on their US tax returns. Would you agree?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-17   1:54:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: scrapper2 (#53)

Do you believe Pastor Baldwin, if President, would send American soldiers to fight and die for Israel?

Postscript: I have no issue with citizens making donations as long as they don't declare donations to foreign nations as being income tax deductible on their US tax returns. Would you agree?

I don't know if he would or not but I suppose it would depend on treaty obligations and the circumstances. But maybe you could ask him. I am not his campaign manager, just a supporter who thinks that he is the best man running. I was for Ron Paul but Ron dropped out.

As for your second question, I have been against the unlawful application of the misnamed "income" tax for years, even wrote a couple of books about it back in the 80's (both of which are out of print). I don't think most Americans should even be filing such tax returns because the reality is that there is no law which requires them to. And the only reason most people file them is due to ignorance and misunderstanding and a large dose of fear. In fact, it is mainly due to fear of losing what they have acquired and of having jurors who are as ignorant as they are finding them guilty for so-called "crimes against the state" and sending them to prison that keep most people filing forms they are not required to file and paying the government money they never owed in the first place.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-08-17   2:09:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: James Deffenbach (#61)

a. I don't know if he would or not but I suppose it would depend on treaty obligations and the circumstances.

b. I have been against the unlawful application of the misnamed "income" tax for years

a. there is no mutual self defense treaty between Israel and the USA. Israel pointedly refuses to sign such a treaty with us. So what circumstances could possibly justify our sacrificing American blood and treasure on behalf of such a self-serving selfish nation like Israel?

As for Baldwin - I think you know the answer about how he prioritizes Israel from his writings on another thread. You don't need to be his campaign manager to figure out what he'd do and that's why I don't see Baldwin as being an AmericaFirster or one bit better than McCain/Obama.

b. We file income tax out of fear. That's a given but what exactly is your position on declaring as income tax deductible those donations given to foreign nations?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-17   2:20:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#82. To: scrapper2 (#64)

We file income tax out of fear. That's a given but what exactly is your position on declaring as income tax deductible those donations given to foreign nations?

My position is, and has been for quite a few years, not to pay taxes I don't owe and don't file forms I am not required to file. And I believe if enough people would do that and just mind their own business that the world would be a much better place.

As for people taking whatever "deductions" they are "allowed" to take I don't have much of a problem with it in any event because most people are actually giving the government a gift they don't owe it no matter how much or how little they pay in "income" tax. Because, correctly understood, income doesn't mean what most people have been brainwashed into believing it means. It should be clear to anyone who has ever spent even a little time studying the issue that income means a "profit or gain" and those terms are synonymous. And no one has ever been able to show me where there was a nickel of profit in an "equal exchange."

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-08-17 10:04:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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