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Title: The Affirmative Action Hoax
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URL Source: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=129857
Published: Aug 19, 2008
Author: Ian Jobling
Post Date: 2008-08-19 10:23:33 by christine
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Steven Farron's The Affirmative Action Hoax is, to my knowledge,the most thorough and uncompromising exposé of affirmative action in higher education. As many other writers have done, he provides copious evidence that universities discriminate against whites on a massive scale. However, unlike most critics of racial preferences, Farron examines his subject from a race realist perspective that acknowledges the reality of biological differences in intelligence among the races. 72;This perspective enables him to see clearly how flimsy all the 72;arguments commonly made in favor of affirmative action are. Farron 72;also recognizes that the dogma of racial equality that underlies 72;affirmative action inevitably leads to the corruption of academic 72;standards. Farron proves through countless examples that affirmative action 72;university admittees have been far below the white standard for 72;decades: * In 1989, black applicants who were admitted to selective colleges scored 350 points lower on the SATs than white admittees did.1 * In 1996, the University of California at Berkeley Law School 72; accepted every black applicant with an undergraduate GPA of 3.25 and a Law School Admission Test (LSAT) score in the 70th percentile but rejected all white and Asian applicants with the same scores.2 * In 2001, the average SAT score of Hispanics who were admitted to UCLA was lower than the average score of whites who were rejected.3 * Similarly, for decades the Medical College Admission Test (MCAT) scores of minorities who are admitted to American medical schools have been lower than those of whites who were rejected.4 * Blacks and Hispanics receive 80 percent of merit scholarships-that is, scholarships supposedly awarded on the basis of talent rather than need-at the University of Michigan, despite the fact that they have much lower test scores and grades than whites and Asians.5 Farron directs devastating criticism against the claim that 72;affirmative action is necessary to compensate for the disadvantages suffered by American minorities, such as poverty and past discrimination. First of all, the beneficiaries of racial preferences are not poor or disadvantaged in any other respect. All studies of the subject have shown that the large majority of affirmative action admittees to universities come from middle and upper-class households.6 Furthermore, minority students do not underperform in school and on tests because of poverty, but because blacks are on average much less intelligent than whites. In fact, the average IQ of whites in the bottom half of the American income range is about eight points higher than the IQ of blacks in the top half.7 Poor whites score better on standardized tests than wealthy blacks. In 2002, the average math SAT score of whites whose parents earned less than $10,000 was 497, but the average score of blacks whose parents earned $100,000 or more was 490. LSAT scores show the same pattern.8 Some defenders of affirmative action argue that blacks underperform in high school due to low self-esteem. However, the clear conclusion of studies on this subject is that black teenagers have significantly higher self-esteem than whites. The Washington, DC school population is more heavily black than that of any state, and it also scores worse on standardized tests. Yet the students there are more likely to answer yes to the statement "I am good at mathematics" than students in any state.9 Universities are under pressure not only to admit, but also to graduate, large numbers of minorities. Indeed, in some cases, universities that do not graduate specified quotas of minorities are denied federal funding or accreditation.10 The compulsion to graduate unqualified applicants inevitably lowers academic standards. Dr. Bernard Davis, a faculty member at Harvard Medical School, exposed this travesty in 1975. Affirmative action resulted in the admission of black medical students who were far below the usual standard for Harvard, which is, of course, one of the most selective schools in America. The average MCAT score of black admittees was in the mid-400s, which was lower than the average score of white applicants who were rejected by all medical schools in the country. Naturally, these students fared poorly, but the school hid the 72;disparities by lowering its standards. Harvard replaced the usual 72;letter grades with a pass/fail system to obscure differences in 72;student performance. Also, the medical school began offering repeat examinations for students who failed courses and lowered exam standards. Even worse, Harvard devalued its medical degree. Whereas previously Harvard had required that degree recipients do much better than the minimum national standard on standardized tests for medical students, the school began granting its degrees to all students who performed at the minimum level or above. However, even this was not enough to guarantee passage of black 72;students. In 1975, the dean of the medical school granted a degree to a black student who had failed to meet the minimum national 72;requirement on standardized tests after having taken them five times. The indignant Davis made the whole mess public. In recompense for his bravery, students picketed his office, and he was denied promotion.11 The lowering of standards is responsible for the colossal grade 72;inflation that has taken place at American universities in the past 40 years. In 2003 about half of students at the nation's top colleges received A's. As Harvard professor Harvey Mansfield explains: in the late 60's and early 70's, white professors, imbibing the spirit of affirmative action, stopped giving low or average grades to black students and, to justify or conceal it, stopped giving those grades to white students as well. The affirmative action travesty persists because of the willingness of university administrators and the media to deceive the public. One tactic is to simply to deny that racial preferences exist. Up until 1996, the University of Michigan administration would tell anyone who asked that they simply did not take race into account in admissions. Then a professor forced the university to disclose its admissions records through a Freedom of Information Act request, and it turned out that standards for black admittees were far below those for whites and Asians.12 A more common lie is that race gives applicants only a slight edge. The dean of Berkeley's law school told a reporter in 1995 that race only comes into play when admissions committees must choose between two applicants with the same qualifications. When the law school was forced to disclose its admissions records, the enormous disparities quoted at the beginning of the article were revealed.13 Farron shows through many examples that the news media can be counted on to parrot the lies of university administrators, repeating discredited denials of racial preferences without looking into the facts.14 The Affirmative Action Hoax takes on many other myths concocted by the academic elites and their media minions to defend racial preferences. If you're mad at what Farron labels "the vicious anti-white discrimination that has pervaded American society since the 1960s,"15 then this book is for you. Steven Farron has put up a website to supplement his book here. 72;www.affirmativeactionhoax.com/
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Affirmative Action blamed for 'dangerous' SAA Cape Town - Skills shortages at South African Airways Technical (SAAT) are the direct result of the government's policy of affirmative action, according to the white rightwing Freedom Front Plus.Pieter Groenwald, the party spokesperson on public enterprises, said on Monday that these shortages are creating a danger to passengers in that technical expertise is being lost and standards for the repair of aircraft are being lowered.He said that the American Federal Aviation Association (FAA) and the International Civil Aviation Authority (ICAA) recommended in April of this year that the South African Civil Aviation Authority (SACAA) should be downgraded from a category 1 to a category 2. "That would have meant that there would be limited international recognition for South African pilot licences and aviation proficiency certificates," Groenewald said. "This would have led to the SAA not being able to deploy its routes in America." http://www.news24.com/News24/Sou...0,,2-7-12_2378385,00.html
Affirmative action is about Hope. It provides a short-term solution to the negro problem by wedding the talented tenth to the state; this is how the Professors express their Hope of Being Eaten Last.
“All I have to do is to raise my voice and tell them that they are not sufficiently liberal.” -- Peter Verkhovensky, The Devils
Affirmative Action has served it's purpose by diversifying education, employment and living opportunities. In my opinion it should not be scrapped but revised to suite modern America. There are still people in the U.S. who would deny someone an opportunity for advancement simply because they are "different".
bump that
No...Keep it REAL!
Will you still hold that position 30 years from now? Census statisticians project that is when whites will a minority in the USA and thusly whites will be indeed "different" from the majority of Americans. Oh my - how could I forget this important factoid - the Supreme Court in its wisdom had ruled that Affirmative Action would only be in force for 25 years - so by the time whites reach minority status - munch crunch thanks for the lunch, c'est la vie - Affirmative Action will no longer be the law of the land and whites will not be able to benefit from the Affirmative Action legislation. What an odd coincidence that Supreme Court time defined AA ruling was in retrospect. So I should re-phrase my question above to read: "Will you still hold that position PHILOSOPHICALLY SPEAKING 30 years from now?"
Who knows...but you make a valid argument. But, in all honesty the death rate, birth rate, and marriage stats of African, African Americans and most other present minorities lead me to believe whites will continue to dominate as they have for centuries.
Of course not. It's not in your interest. There are still people in the U.S. who would deny someone an opportunity for advancement simply because they are "different". Indeed, a small remnant of sanity remains.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? F.Y.I. I didn't need Affirmative Action for any of my advancements of accomplishments in life, but I know other who have reaped the benefits. Anyone who is arrogant enough to discriminate against someone simply because of their differences is a ignorant. LMAO!
In order to survive you must discriminate. All that is at issue is how fine or coarse grained that discrimination is. Knowledge is not free; fine grained discrimination is extremely costly. Most darkies don't have the capacity to understand that. And really, they don't have to; it comes naturally to them, and sticking together is simply a matter of stamina. For whites, it is a matter of moral stamina.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? If we don't close our borders, neither of us will dominate, or matter. Which brings the question to mind, "Are there any members of Hispanic lineage here?"
What an asinine remark...We all bleed red blood! You are my brother and equal, whether you like it or not! LMAO!
I can just hear my wife's reaction if I told her not to be ignorant about the convicted child molester who moves into the neighborhood. I could even point that not all convicted child molesters molest again. Really, she should talk to him first, and get to know him. Differences matter.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? You are my brother, it is true, but I am your elder brother.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? You never hear of the plight of Freckled-Americans. No programs, rarely noted in great works of art. I think I shall lobby to establish 'Affirmative Fractions'.
Hierarchy is so overstated! LMAO! I know some older siblings who wish they were 1/2 as intelligent, good looking and/or successful as their younger counterpart.
I didn't not speak of mental illness! People who molest children are insane!
That's nothing but ginger-kid blasphemy, repent you pigment pervert!
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
I just checked, and www.freckled-americans.org/ is still available - jump on it, and get this thing done. You guys have suffered long enough, and probably, are owed reparations by someone.
One class of tests blacks score higher on is tests for psychosis.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? And speaking of other minorities - now that you brought that subject up - how come Affirmative Action for minorities does not apply to Asians or Indians? Aren't Japanese, Chinese, Koreans as well as people from India non-white visible minorities? And how come Affirmative Action legislation applies to women and not to men in terms of available gender based college scholarships and in terms of getting a leg up in college placement and in professional schools, when in fact more women go to college than men today and also more women than men continue on to graduate schools/professional schools? And this is not any new trend - it's been like this for about the past 10 years and certainly was the case when the doofus Supreme Court Justices made their infamous Affirmative Action ruling a couple of years ago. Today it's white males that should be covered by gender Affirmative Action, not women. And btw, the references to med school engineering school, women are admitted with lower SAT MCAT GMAT scores than males. Where's the logic to Affirmative Action? Poor Indians and Chinese immigrants who just get off the boat, as it were, are expected to work hard to get ahead in America. No Affirmative Action for them. But blacks who have had opportunities cast their way by the US government for the past 30 years are still in need of a leg up? Haven't they enjoyed way more perks all this time than the Chinese and Indians who recently have moved here? And why do women need governmental intervention when they are doing far better than white men for a good while now re: achieving academic success, getting professional job placement. Where's the logic in gender AA?
Most child molesters, snipers, and kidnappers are white...go figure!
"She looked grown to me!" Technically, darkie can't be a child molester, because he can't tell the difference.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that?
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Well, okay then. I am not ginger my own personal self, but I did ride the bus with carrot top twins with large heavy glasses. They were very quiet unless you asked them what was in their clarinet case.
Reason enough to hate them right there.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
You guys have suffered long enough, and probably, are owed reparations by someone. Bad link but I LIKE YOUR THINKING! Our speckles are freckles and somethin somethin. I'll get it.
LOL! I hear they got their own tent at band camp.
Check with Chief Moose on the snipers...but if you'd said serial killers, I'd have to agree - honkies rule. It could be a factor of the reported crimes, but since there are still more whites here, we should have more offenders. But as percentages of the populations, I'd bet they are close to equal.
More power to 'em then, the creepy little raspberry devils.
And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
SouthPark boils it down for us - thank you.
LOL!
Spike Milligan - The Lord's Prayer And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
"Bump that" means put it to the top of the latest comments page for all to see.
Do you think he really meant it? ;)
Spike Milligan - The Irish O'lympics And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
ROFLMAO! These Olympics I would watch.
Spike Milligan - Life On Earth And they write innumerable books; being too vain and distracted for silence: seeking every one after his own elevation, and dodging his emptiness. - T. S. Eliot
Now that's some great stuff - thank you for the laughs. Poor Irish.
I'm not, but my kids are 1/4 Puerto Rican. And they sure look white to me!
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? Doesn't it just figure that the first Irishman to get to the top of K2 died in the descent?
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? And they sure look white to me! Good to know that the melting pot is still bubbling along here and there. Stay safe.
Actually the racial hierarchy is repeated in every country where there is more than one race, with blacks invariably on the bottom in terms of both social pathology and achievement. (In fairness, many behaviors considered pathological or maladaptive in civilized societies may be perfectly normal in other environments, e.g. in sub-Saharan Africa prior to contact with civilization.)
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? Funny stuff. This beats the BRady BUnch goes to Hawai'i, but it's close!
At the time when the AA legislation was passed this country was in definite need of laws which allowed the otherwise disenfranchised to exhibit their abilities to perform and achieve just as well as their white counterparts. As far as American Indians are concerned, I share a common heritage with them as well. They have most certainty suffered horrible injustices and are seeking compensation/reparations for the ever present ills the "settlers" invoked upon them and their way of life, through the "judicial system"(what a joke, by the way). As far as the rest of you obviously angry rant...I have no comment because I don't write laws! LMAO!
Not...unfortunately criminal profilers disagree . My favorite Dayle Hinman, is excellent. Check her out some times! She Rules!
Oh, ok thanks for the heads up!LMAO!
Will do. I should brush up on some of the courses I took back when in criminology: a lot of subject matter was missed as I was on the back row with Harvey Martin screwing around and NOT really paying attention to the lecture.
Naughty school boy! LMAO!
I was there because I had no desire to go kill little yellow people, and Harvey was there to keep his eligibility to play football. We were not the most highly motivated students in the room.
There's the problem for me - equating AA legislation with the idea of innate "abilities" that were being suppressed previously and that would flourish with AA in place and that would ensure equal outcomes in achievement of blacks and whites. That noble concept is total social engineering poppycock. Government cannot ensure that all groups will achieve success equally because individuals are different and unique regarding their talents and abilities and intelligence. All government can do is ensure equal opportunity exists ie. that there are no illegal impediments to an individual being able to self-actualize to the best of his/her ability. If a person has limited abilities, limited personal ambition, limited work ethic why should government expect that this person just because of his color or her gender be worthy of government intervention? AA is social engineering and reverse racial and gender discrimination and just because the legislation was passed and made law does not make it anything more than what I've said - it's ugly, it's anti-American, and you can't put lipstick on it and call it beautiful.
ARE perfectly normal is closer to the truth. Most preconditioned opinions people have stem from an Anglo point of view, who in the HELL said that was the the correct and only perspective. They are only opinions, which has manipulated their way into the psyche of others by way of force or deceit.
If you say so. Anglo point of view, who in the HELL said that was the the correct and only perspective. They are only opinions, It is true that values are not objective, but I don't think anyone really takes seriously a claimed preference for the shortsighted unintelligent amoralism with which an exceedingly disproportionate number of blacks behave. This of course is why Brazil today tries to practice a star-trek-like prime directive with the few remaining primitive tribes.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? Well can you honestly say during 1964 the Civil Rights Act which housed the AA legislation was not necessary, in order to ensure African Americans received the opportunity to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
AA allowed those whom were equally as equally qualified as their counterparts, to receive an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY to display their talents and learned abilities. It did not call for a free ride for dopers, losers, and no accounts to climb the corporate ladder or establish businesses.
Anglo point of view...again!
You want to move into our neighborhoods and countries, we don't want to move into yours. Q.E.D.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? Every major social pathology in the black community has worsened since then. Jim Crow was good for them.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? The Act itself was arguably needed, but all the ensuing 'Great Society' programs have been monumental, colossal failures. Gigantic rat holes for literally billions of dollars to be poured with nothing positive to show for it.
If the rest of the world would try to live up to the standards of civilization according to White Western Europeans this would be a better planet. I'm for advancement, not mediocrity.
BTW, what other point of view should I have? Pfft.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? That's pure hokum. Did you not read the article under discussion with the statistics provided that showed that individuals with much lower SAT scores and LSAT and MCAT scores than their white counterparts were given spots by AA gov't fiat in competitive public and elite colleges as well as professional schools like law and medicine based on their color? What does that tell you? It certainly does not support your theory of "equal opportunity" because whites and Asians and East Indians with higher scores in tests that reflect aptitude lost out in being awarded placements spots due to the AA quota system. Do you know what equal opportunity means? It means that there should no unlawful discriminatory practices to hold back individuals based on color, gender. And AA legislation actually does that very discriminatory morally unlawful thing by taking away equal opportunity of meritorious individuals based on their color ( white or Asian or East Indian) and their gender ( white, Asian, East Indian males). Though AA may not be offered to out and out dopers or dealers, AA certainly is being enjoyed today by individuals who do not demonstrate merit equal to their counterparts with skin color and gender that do not suit the social engineers' agenda.
White settlers suffered under Indian depradations. The Indians had to be civilized and Christianized in order to fit in with Western Civilization. It was for their own good. They don't need "reparations", living in a White Western Civilization is reward enough.
Our community leaders were systematically destroyed, because of the governments(namely J. Edgar Hoover) fear of our sheer superiority; physically, mentally, and socially! Our communities have suffered, because we have been infected with an "Anglo" way of life as an attempt to subdue and suppress our natural aggressiveness! The fat lady hasn't sung...so look out, Brotha'
Yet, another Anglo rambler...The natives welcomed the settlers until they behaved in the manner you so eloquently described. Christianizing and westernizing, who the HELL ask them for it. They have done nothing but plunder the things a people hold near and dear to their hearts. (buffalo, fossil fuels, minerals...the list goes on) Most truly intelligent people discount King James and his Anglo translation "Christians" live by. Go figure! LMAO!
That's why I never really bought "It's the Jews' fault!" It just sounds too much like a nigger.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? There is truth there...but how may trillions of dollars were"LOST" by the CIA in 2001. Go figure! Humanitarian Aid vs Government Waste.
Pissing $$$ away is ALL that govs truly excel at. Well, that and stealing $$$ from us.
I am for diversity. All cultures have strengths and weaknesses!
Now you're just having fun.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? Is this thread what Obama means by a dialogue? ;-)
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? You'll have your Obama-esque dialog when the reparation-squads have their boots on your throat. Just don't be bitter when it happens. ;-)
My initial comment referenced the need for AA at its conception. All things must change...laws and legislation included. AA is a dinosaur that needs to be revamped for sure but total annihilation is not necessary.
I though I was having intelligent dialogs here...guess I was wrong.
Well if you can't have intelligence, you might as well have Hope.
Howard Dean said “If you look at folks of color, even women, they’re more successful in the Democratic party than they are in the white, uh, excuse me, in, uh, Republican party.” All-in-all, wasn't the McCain campaign right to pounce on that? Our Constitution DEMANDS that it be terminated with extreme prejudice (that's legal language).
Always LMAO!
Lighten up!LMAO!
Dialogue - fair, and balanced - seems to me. Good thread. Normally, by this many replies, the wheels would have fallen off the civility-wagon. Back out to spur our flagging economy.
In America AA is based on protections of the minority in South Africa it is based on the protection of the majority....lesson here?... sure don't fly SAA
#2. To: christine (#0)
#3. To: Tauzero (#2)
#4. To: texaslvr77 (#3)
#5. To: angle (#4)
#6. To: texaslvr77 (#3)
Affirmative Action has served it's purpose by diversifying education, employment and living opportunities. In my opinion it should not be scrapped but revised to suite modern America. There are still people in the U.S. who would deny someone an opportunity for advancement simply because they are "different".
#7. To: scrapper2 (#6)
#8. To: texaslvr77 (#3)
In my opinion it should not be scrapped
#9. To: Tauzero (#8)
#10. To: texaslvr77 (#9)
#11. To: texaslvr77. Hispanic members here (#7)
#12. To: Tauzero (#10)
Most darkies don't have the capacity to understand that.
#13. To: texaslvr77 (#9)
Anyone who is arrogant enough to discriminate against someone simply because of their differences is a ignorant.
#14. To: texaslvr77 (#12)
You are my brother and equal
#15. To: lodwick (#11)
Which brings the question to mind, "Are there any members of Hispanic lineage here?"
#16. To: Tauzero (#14)
#17. To: Tauzero (#13)
#18. To: nikki (#15)
You never hear of the plight of Freckled-Americans.
#19. To: nikki. Those with freckles here (#15)
You never hear of the plight of Freckled-Americans.
#20. To: texaslvr77 (#17)
People who molest children are insane!
#21. To: texaslvr77 (#7)
Who knows...but you make a valid argument. But, in all honesty the death rate, birth rate, and marriage stats of African, African Americans and most other present minorities lead me to believe whites will continue to dominate as they have for centuries.
#22. To: Tauzero (#20)
#23. To: texaslvr77 (#22)
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#24. To: lodwick (#19)
#25. To: Dakmar (#18)
That's nothing but ginger-kid blasphemy, repent you pigment pervert!
#26. To: nikki (#25)
#27. To: lodwick (#19)
I just checked, and www.freckled-americans.org/ is still available - jump on it, and get this thing done.
#28. To: Dakmar (#26)
Reason enough to hate them right there.
#29. To: texaslvr77 (#22)
Most child molesters, snipers, and kidnappers are white...go figure!
#30. To: nikki (#28)
LOL! I hear they got their own tent at band camp.
#31. To: Dakmar (#24)
#32. To: Dakmar (#30)
More power to 'em then, the creepy little raspberry devils.
#33. To: nikki, lodwick, english speaking humourists of every stripe (#32)
#34. To: texaslvr77 (#5)
No...Keep it REAL!
#35. To: Dakmar (#33)
#36. To: nikki, Jethro Tull, *Irish (#35)
#37. To: Dakmar (#36)
Outstanding!
#38. To: Dakmar (#36)
#39. To: nikki (#37)
We've only scratched the surface:
#40. To: Dakmar (#36)
#41. To: lodwick (#11)
Which brings the question to mind, "Are there any members of Hispanic lineage here?"
#42. To: Dakmar (#36)
#43. To: Tauzero (#41)
I'm not, but my kids are 1/4 Puerto Rican.
#44. To: texaslvr77 (#16)
Hierarchy is so overstated!
#45. To: Dakmar (#39)
#46. To: scrapper2 (#21)
#47. To: lodwick (#29)
#48. To: angle (#34)
#49. To: texaslvr77 (#47)
My favorite Dayle Hinman, is excellent. Check her out some times!
#50. To: lodwick (#49)
#51. To: texaslvr77 (#50)
#52. To: texaslvr77 (#46)
At the time when the AA legislation was passed this country was in definite need of laws which allowed the otherwise disenfranchised to exhibit their abilities to perform and achieve just as well as their white counterparts.
#53. To: Tauzero (#44)
(In fairness, many behaviors considered pathological or maladaptive in civilized societies may be perfectly normal in other environments, e.g. in sub-Saharan Africa prior to contact with civilization.)
#54. To: texaslvr77 (#53)
ARE perfectly normal
#55. To: lodwick (#51)
#56. To: scrapper2 (#52)
Government cannot ensure that all groups will achieve success equally because individuals are different and unique regarding their talents and abilities and intelligence.
#57. To: Tauzero (#54)
#58. To: texaslvr77 (#57)
#59. To: texaslvr77 (#55)
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Well can you honestly say during 1964 the Civil Rights Act which housed the AA legislation was not necessary, in order to ensure African Americans received the opportunity to pursue life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
#60. To: texaslvr77 (#55)
#61. To: texaslvr77 (#53)
Most preconditioned opinions people have stem from an Anglo point of view, who in the HELL said that was the the correct and only perspective.
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#62. To: texaslvr77 (#57)
Anglo point of view...again!
#63. To: texaslvr77 (#56)
A allowed those whom were equally as equally qualified as their counterparts, to receive an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY to display their talents and learned abilities. It did not call for a free ride for dopers, losers, and no accounts to climb the corporate ladder or establish businesses.
#64. To: texaslvr77 (#46)
They have most certainty suffered horrible injustices and are seeking compensation/reparations for the ever present ills the "settlers" invoked upon them and their way of life
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#65. To: Tauzero (#59)
#66. To: X-15 (#64)
#67. To: texaslvr77 (#65)
#68. To: lodwick (#60)
#69. To: texaslvr77 (#68)
There is truth there...but how may trillions of dollars were"LOST" by the CIA in 2001. Go figure!
#70. To: X-15 (#61)
#71. To: texaslvr77 (#70)
I am for diversity. All cultures have strengths and weaknesses!
#72. To: lodwick, X-15 (#69)
#73. To: Tauzero (#72)
(Edited)
Is this thread what Obama means by a dialogue? ;-)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#74. To: scrapper2 (#63)
#75. To: Tauzero (#67)
#76. To: texaslvr77 (#75)
#77. To: texaslvr77 (#74)
AA is a dinosaur that needs to be revamped for sure but total annihilation is not necessary.
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#78. To: Tauzero (#71)
#79. To: X-15 (#77)
#80. To: Tauzero (#72)
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