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Title: I Smell a Clinton Coup Brewing
Source: The New Media Journal
URL Source: http://www.newmediajournal.us/staff/williams/2008/08202008.htm
Published: Aug 20, 2008
Author: JB Williams
Post Date: 2008-08-20 19:53:48 by scrapper2
Keywords: Clinton chicanery?, it ain, Dem Party coup?
Views: 458
Comments: 35

After Barockstar’s near fatal empty suit performance at Saddleback Saturday, the Obama spin machine is in damage control overdrive. I wonder if they‘ve had time to realize that they have been triangulated by the Clinton war room and set up to take a fall at the DNC convention?

That old Clinton war room stench is in the air again...It seems the empty suit and his empty headed staff is not quite up to speed on Clintonian strategeries. Consider the Latest Clinton maneuvers

Ä2; Camp Clinton convinced Camp Obama to help liquidate her campaign debts.

Ä2; Camp Clinton convinced Camp Obama to call for Florida and Michigan voters to be counted. It’s the right thing to do, of course. But had it already been done, Hillary would already be the nominee.

Ä2; Camp Clinton convinces Camp Obama to agree to a floor vote at the convention when all the cameras will be rolling. What if Clinton wins on the floor?

Ä2; Camp Clinton removes Obama supporter John Edwards from the equation, along with his scheduled convention speaking spot, on the basis that he is now a known lying cheater. But Bill Clinton (also a known lying cheater) is the headliner of the convention, and he’s not an Obama supporter at all.

Ä2; Barockstar tanks on national TV only days before the convention and his campaign staff is sent out to do damage control, leaving the super-delegates gasping in a holy crap moment, with the sudden realization that this empty suit is in no way ready for the big show. Only a promise to make a VP announcement this week can get his failed TV appearance off the front pages.

Ä2; Meanwhile, Camp Clinton is mobilizing millions of NObama minions and staging a convention coup in which Hillary can ride in on silver steed to save the party from complete implosion on an international stage…

Even James Carville, Dick Morris and Oliver Stone combined, could not have written this script any better. All we need is a second gunman on the grassy knoll. Howard Dean maybe?

The fact that millions of Democrat voters were intentionally disenfranchised by their own party in the primaries leaves the chosen one the prime target of too many in-house enemies. And nobody in American politics is better at organizing, mobilizing and exploiting in-house enemies than the Clintons.


Poster Comment:

I found this opinion piece rather amusing as well as possibly prophetic. There's nothing quite like rumors of a coup to get the juices running and spice up an otherwise boring business as usual election year.

Obama believes his main political rival is McCain. Obama is wrong.

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#1. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#0)

Thought you might enjoy this opinion piece about Hillary Clinton in light of our earlier discussion today. She might be baaaaack...

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-20   19:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: scrapper2 (#0)

Scrap, can you imagine any of these so-called presidential candidates improving our situation?

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-20   19:57:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: scrapper2 (#0)

I almost hope this is true, because I am getting like Paul Craig Roberts about World War III.

I think, of all the candidates who have run in this year's field on either or any side, Hillary would be the most likely victim of a military coup should she try to order a nuclear strike on Russia — or anyone else, for that matter.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-08-20   20:01:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: scrapper2 (#0)

Let's think about it for a moment.

Hillary Clinton will be 61 in October. Her best chance left for her winning the presidency is for her to run in 2012 and get elected at the age of 65. She would be too old to run for pres in 2016, at the age of 69. She won't be able to have a successful run if she's Obama's VP in 2008 and she loses. If she's Obama's VP and Obama wins, she can't run in 2012 either.

The only way Hillary can hope to become president is to run in 2012 after Obama loses in 2008 while she's watching from the sidelines.

Therefore, Hillary won't be Obama's mate in 2008 and that's why she's not really agitating to become one and that's why she is subtly undermining Obama but not in way that would complicate her possible run in 2012, following Obama's defeat in 2008.

I hope that this clarifies Hillary's strategy for everyone.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-20   20:02:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: buckeye (#2)

Scrap, can you imagine any of these so-called presidential candidates improving our situation?

Improving our situation, no, but maybe a coup and public hissy fight between Hillary and Obama might catch the attention of the politically detached rube-voters on the street and remind them this is indeed a Presidential election year, yes, and maybe that's the best we can hope for - getting non-voters to pay attention to politics and get involved. Now the elections are decided by what % of eligible voters - I know it's embarressingly low for a nation that preaches to other nations about the importance of elections and purple thumbs and stuff.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-20   20:04:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#4)

I hope that this clarifies Hillary's strategy for everyone.

Pffffssst - party pooper.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-20   20:06:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#0)

At times I wish for insurrection during the democrat convention.

This article is not about insurrection, but would a friendly Clinton inspired coup do?

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-20   20:09:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: scrapper2 (#5)

It's typical for people like me to see Hillary as the epitome of what has gone wrong with the country. Her husband was at the Holocaust museum gushing about WWII just days after the Waco flames.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-20   20:14:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: scrapper2 (#7)

but would a friendly Clinton inspired coup do?

No.

This nation, this people, need to be awakened. They need to REJECT the system, top to bottom, do away with anyone and everyone that has been a part of our demise.

When people can be programmed to vote for more war, they entire system must go.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-20   20:14:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: scrapper2 (#0)

I certainly didn't put all these pieces together, though I did get the standing hairs on the arm routine when it was said that her name would be put in nomination.

I haven't thought for a minute that she was done, though. She doesn't have the year tucked under her belt to be the 'sage' of the democraps, and it would take too long to do things necessary or important enough to garner her sufficient accolades--after all, a Kennedy she ain't! I don't think she feels she has that much time left in which to make her mark as the first woman president.

Lets see what else hits the fan before the convention is over.

rowdee  posted on  2008-08-20   20:17:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: rowdee (#10)

Obama was created for a reason, for a use, to serve a desired end.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-20   20:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: rowdee (#10)

Lets see what else hits the fan before the convention is over.

Caroline Kennedy floated for (Obama) VP

politicalticker.blogs.cnn...e-kennedy-floated-for-vp/

nikki  posted on  2008-08-20   20:20:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: rowdee (#10)

I certainly didn't put all these pieces together, though I did get the standing hairs on the arm routine when it was said that her name would be put in nomination.

LOL! You captured in your usual humorous and pithy prose how I felt at that precise moment, too! Truly!

Man oh man - Barack and Michelle better prepare themselves for anything and everything because Hillary isn't out of the game until they see her little short legs and black booted witch feet sticking out from under a house that's crashed on her Oval Office dreams.

scrapper2  posted on  2008-08-20   20:33:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: nikki, scrapper2, rowdee, a vast rightwing conspirator (#12)

nikki, from the site you linked

Should Obama choose Clinton? Posted: 07:15 PM ET

From CNN Senior Political Analyst Bill Schneider

A new poll suggests Obama’s numbers would go up if he chooses Clinton as his VP. DENVER (CNN) - What can Barack Obama do to reverse his sudden slide in the polls? Here’s an idea: surprise everyone and name Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

It would turn the Democratic National Convention into a love-in. 4,438 delegates locking arms and singing "Kum-Ba-Ya’’!

Consider this finding from the new Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll out Wednesday night. A bare majority of Clinton supporters, 52 percent say they will vote for Obama. Twenty one percent favor McCain, while 27 percent are still undecided or say they will vote for "someone else.’’

Nearly half of Clinton’s supporters are still not on board with Obama!

The holdouts tend to like McCain more than Obama and have more confidence in McCain’s ability to be commander-in-chief.

Would Clinton add to the ticket? Apparently. The poll shows Obama leading McCain by three points. If Clinton were at the top of the ticket, she would be leading McCain by six.

Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com

christine  posted on  2008-08-21   0:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#14)

I don't think Mrs O wants Hilary around.....

And I can't help but think she would be intimidating to Mr. O

rowdee  posted on  2008-08-21   0:42:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: christine (#14)

As I explained in a post near the top of this thread, it's not in Hillary's best interest to team up with Obama as his #2, if she wants to be prez some day. It only make sense for her to be Obama's #2 if she is happy with that job as the absolute top of her government career.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-21   6:46:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Christine (#16)

As I explained in a post near the top of this thread, it's not in Hillary's best interest to team up with Obama as his #2, if she wants to be prez some day. It only make sense for her to be Obama's #2 if she is happy with that job as the absolute top of her government career.

Hillary would be in the cat bird's seat and could becomee #1 if some evildoer put Black Obama's lights out.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2008-08-21   7:02:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Zoroaster (#17) (Edited)

She could also win the PowerBalls lottery and so could I but, at least as far as I am concerned, winning the PowerBalls is not part of my retirement plan.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-21   7:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#18)

If ZOG works its will, America is doomed. It may take some kind of unforeseen, Powerball miracle to save her.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2008-08-21   7:31:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#14)

Should Obama choose Clinton?

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer, so I've heard. Obama is losing ground against McCain of ALL people. This should be a runaway landslide for Dems, any Dem, but it's supposedly 'close'. As far as the show we see anyway. The PUMA'S (Party Unity My Ass) are a problem for the party. Not just for Obama. They are screwing up the show. I believe the hooved one has successfully used them now to get her name put into nomination, and a speaking part for Winthrop the closet racist and international joke. That's power. We now suddenly have two superdelegates that have expired. We have seen a few candidate planes that have had in-flight malfunctions. In fact, Winthrop was stuck in Africa for a few extra days because of such issues as well.

SHOULD obama choose Clinton? For all the reasons above yes is equal to no. If the d's lose against the r's, with their record, the party will dintegrate. The 'system' is fixed, and in shambles as a result. We really are only spectators anyway.

In the end, one or the other will claim they won a mandate and start more stupid crap. The d team is looking to find someone to make his win against McCain believable and acceptable to hold the party together 4 more years to finish us up to 2012, and from there, you know, the planet blows up or something. Floating Caroline as a VP, could be the answer in many ways, but if 25% of the PUMA'S hold the line, McCain probably wins.

nikki  posted on  2008-08-21   9:03:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: scrapper2 (#1)

When in the spotlight, Hillary will talk about party unity and support BHO. Behind the scenes though, she'll probably be doing everything she can to help McCain. Hillary is still bitter about the fact that she wasn't given the coronation by the DNC that she was "entitled" to.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-08-21   11:04:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: nikki (#20)

LOL. Caroline Kennedy--without an ounce of experience. Oh well---at least they can say she knows her way around the White House better than he does! Or she could just be a pretty fixture like her Momma was.

rowdee  posted on  2008-08-21   13:32:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: christine (#14)

Should Obama choose Clinton

Only if he wants to be added to the Clinton body count. The Clintons will stop at nothing to claw their way back to fame and power.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-08-21   13:34:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: rowdee (#22)

LOL. Caroline Kennedy--without an ounce of experience.

C'mon now, it's the Camelot thing. Just go with it. ;) I snagged this from an email:

Obama's 143 Days of Senate Experience

Just how much Senate experience does Barack Obama have In terms of actual work days? Not much.

From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate.

That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.

The one single Senate committee that he headed, never even met once!!

After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes Of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.

Think about it... 143 days -- 20.4 weeks -- 4.7 months .

My kids spent more time in pre-school getting ready for Kindergarten.

Cant you just see it? Squint your eyes and tip that chin toward the sun! It's magic, magic. Unicorns and a lovely perfect Climate! Lisen now, the music is starting!


Experience is blamed for getting us into this mess, and surely a lack of it can only be a good thing! In the capable hands of his 'advisors', all that's left for Barry to do is walk among his subjects and go uhhhhhhhh.

nikki  posted on  2008-08-21   14:31:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: nikki (#20) (Edited)

Floating Caroline [Kennedy] as a VP

He may as well pick Paris Hilton. Both have about the same level of political experience and gravitas.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-08-21   14:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#25)

He may as well pick Paris Hilton. Both have about the same level of political experience and gravitas.

(Paris might do less harm though.)

FLASH! This just in! Prepare for a Kennedy at the Court of St James's

If Barack Obama makes it to the White House, Britain seems set to have its first Kennedy as American Ambassador to the Court of St James's since JFK's father, Joe.

Mandrake hears that it will be payback for Caroline Kennedy JFK's only surviving child and a power broker in the Democratic Party, for being such an enthusiastic cheerleader for Obama.

"I have never had a president who inspired me the way people tell me that my father inspired them," she declared. "But for the first time, I believe I have found the man who could be that president – not just for me, but for a new generation of Americans."

I am told that Miss Kennedy, 50, who has three children by her husband Edwin Schlossberg, a designer, was instrumental in persuading Ted Kennedy to back Obama, which was seen as the moment his campaign achieved critical mass. Obama is the first presidential candidate that Miss Kennedy has endorsed since she backed her uncle Ted's unsuccessful bid for the Democratic nomination in 1980.

The day after Obama became the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee in June, he appointed her to his Vice-Presidential Search Committee.

She has contributed financially to Obama's campaign, having earlier contributed to Hillary Clinton's.

She will follow in the dubious footsteps of her colourful grandfather, Joseph, an arch-appeaser of Hitler who committed political sucide when, in 1940, he declared: "Democracy is finished in England, it may be here (in the USA)."

Mandrake hopes that if she does bag London, Miss Kennedy will make good use of the entertaining space at the American ambassador's official residence, Winfield House in Regent's Park. I haven't been to a really good party there since the jovial Phil Lader's tour of duty came to an end in 2001.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/...-Kennedy-at-the-Court-of- St-Jamess.html


Party time!

nikki  posted on  2008-08-21   14:46:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: nikki (#20)

Obama is not a mile ahead of McInsane yet because he's a darkie. Clinton won't help him overcome his darkiness.

It would be interesting to see what happens if McSenile picks Lieberwurst for VP so that the fearless voters would have to pick between a Nigga and a Hymie. That would be FUN! If McStupid does not pick a Jew, Obama will still beat him but it won't be as much fun.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-21   16:51:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#27)

Obama is not a mile ahead of McInsane yet because he's a darkie. Clinton won't help him overcome his darkiness.

Then how'd he beat her?

LOL! Yeah, it's all about race. Heard that somewhere before too. Maybe he just sucks.

nikki  posted on  2008-08-21   16:54:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: nikki (#28) (Edited)

It's not ALL about race but his darkiness does account for a couple of percentage points taken from him and added to lily-white McMelanoma.

Obama beat Hilly because he's THAT good. Not even the blue contacts and the subtle peroxide highlights could lift her to the top.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-21   16:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#29)

Obama beat Hilly because he's THAT good.

Right.

Pied Piper plays a tune and all the sheep fall into line, little Vast at the head of the flock, lilting, "Happy day are here again".... LOL

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-21   17:03:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#29)

It's not ALL about race but his darkiness does account for a couple of percentage points taken from him and added to lily-white McMelanoma.

Obama beat Hilly because he's THAT good. Not even the blue contacts and the subtle peroxide highlights could lift her to the top.

Well then, the poking whitey is not a good strategy. Again, sucky thinking. Besides, his adivsor Zbig is jonesing for a war with Russia. Now that's going to suck it big time. And guess what? We're all invited to the BBQ.

Obama isn't that good at anything I've seen. No evidence offered yet to change my mind.

Hillary always thought it was hers, and so did everyone else. She's a shrew and that's a nice word. No one likes her personality, which is yet another reason Obama's success over Hillary doesn't really mean jack.

nikki  posted on  2008-08-21   17:06:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: nikki (#31)

Now, I have this question. Just ordered this TRENDnet Wireless Advanced Pan/Tilt Internet Camera Server TV-IP400W (Version B1.xR) from Amazon. You're supposed to be able to get live video and remote control it from the Net but my question is this - if the camera sits behind my router, then how do I initiate a session with it while I'm away?

Is anyone an expert in these things? If it doesn't work I return it, but I'm curious if it's going to work.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-21   17:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#32)

Now, I have this question. Just ordered this TRENDnet Wireless Advanced Pan/Tilt Internet Camera Server TV-IP400W (Version B1.xR) from Amazon. You're supposed to be able to get live video and remote control it from the Net but my question is this - if the camera sits behind my router, then how do I initiate a session with it while I'm away?

Is anyone an expert in these things? If it doesn't work I return it, but I'm curious if it's going to work.

Why didn't you ask the salesperson?

nikki  posted on  2008-08-21   17:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: nikki (#33)

The AMAZON sales person? Are you kidding?

If it doesn't work I send it back but maybe someone understands this stuff better than I do. Like the camera talks to the wireless router which assigns it some fake IP address, right? Then the router itself grabs an address from the ISP. How do I get to talk to the camera from over the net? Does it get a DNS name of its own? I'm just curious to understand how do I initiate a conversation with it. My suspicion is that, somehow, you need to get the camera registered with an external DNS.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-08-21   17:37:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#34)

Short attention span eh? Good luck.

nikki  posted on  2008-08-21   18:07:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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