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Title: Police tell owners: 'We're inspecting your guns'
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Worldnetdaily
URL Source: http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=72906
Published: Aug 21, 2008
Author: staff
Post Date: 2008-08-21 12:19:44 by noone222
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Views: 222
Comments: 18
Oklahoma police investigating the shooting deaths of two girls have told area residents with guns to bring them in for a test to determine whether they were used in the attack, sparking concern among those who own guns for hunting and self-defense. According to reports in the Tulsa World the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation sent letters to members of the community who were registered as owning .40-caliber handguns suggesting they voluntarily bring in their gun or guns for a test. The individuals who were "invited" to bring their guns in but didn't now will be included in the ongoing investigation, as well as people who were identified by former owners as having purchased that type of weapon recently, authorities said. "We'll be checking on them," Jessica Brown, a spokeswoman for the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, told the newspaper. The investigation is into the June 8 shooting deaths of Skyla Jade Whitaker, 11, and Taylor Paschal-Placker, 13, who died when they were shot several times on a road about four miles from Weleetka. Authorities say two guns were used in the killings, but they haven't released much information about the weapons until they now confirmed one was a .40-caliber. They have not yet identified the second type of weapon used. Authorities said they sent out about 60 letters, and about 40 gun owners voluntarily brought in their weapons to the Okfuskee County Courthouse at Okemah for testing over the weekend. Brown said those weapons were taken by investigators and test-fired, and the results of those tests now are being evaluated. She said nearly half a dozen former gun owners contacted authorities to identify new owners, and another 15 gun owners did not show up. Those who participated in a forum on the newspaper website expressed sympathy for the victims and their families, but worried about the maneuver of inspecting privately owned guns without a search warrant or probable cause. "This is a really sad story. My heart goes out to the families involved," said one participant. "For some reason, though, it bothers me that 60 gun owners were asked to 'voluntarily' relinquish their legally-owned firearms." Wrote a second, "Since when does Oklahoma have handgun registration? … I seriously hope they catch the vermin responsible for this, but I'm disturbed by the implication that Oklahoma, one of the most free states in the USA, has handgun registration." Another, identified only as ok sooner and who reported spending time in law enforcement, added, "I would never 'voluntarily submit their weapons for testing.' Get a warrant." "I'm with ok sooner," said a fourth. "I wouldn’t voluntarily submit my firearms to law enforcement without a warrant, either. This is really starting to bother me. Why ask 60 citizens to do this? Or maybe they're waiting for somebody to refuse to submit 'voluntarily' whereupon they do get a warrant." On the forums page for the Oklahoma Shooters Association, the readers were even more alarmed. "Why don't they just test fire all the .40 cal handguns in Oklahoma? Yeah, that's the ticket," said one person. "I hate to perhaps sound callous about the tragedy, that's not my intent at all, but this is some of the goofiest stuff I've ever heard of." "What the OSBI stupidly did was ensure that, if the real murderer still has the murder weapon and got one of these letters, he will now WITHOUT DOUBT destroy it POST HASTE," said another. "Human beings can only interact with one another through two methods: reason or force. If at any point, either party chooses force, the other must either submit or respond with force," warned another participant. "I prefer reason. But I am ready to respond with force. Submission is not an option." "The issue of private control of firearms in the United States has been a hot topic this year in light of the Washington, D.C., dispute over a complete ban on private handguns. In that case, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that individuals in the United States do have the right to bear arms, although that right can be regulated. The District of Columbia city council promptly adopted emergency legislation that would replace its handgun ban with a laundry list of regulations and requirements, including several described by the Gun Owners of America as equally unconstitutional to the ban. Those include a gun license requirement, a ban on semiautomatics, new ballistics requirements, requirements for trigger locks and requirements to keep guns unloaded. "It's no wonder that the District is awash with lawlessness. The contempt for the law starts in the city council chambers," said GOA Executive Director Larry Pratt. The Supreme Court ruling was the first definitive statement on the 2nd Amendment in decades. The court said, in Justice Antonin Scalia's majority opinion, the Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home." Scalia was joined by Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. Joining Justice John Paul Stevens in dissent were Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter. The amendment, ratified in 1791, says: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
Poster Comment: There was a "rape" last week ... the government wants to inspect your penis. Show em your ass ! Report your CONgressman.
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#1. To: noone222 (#0)
Classic - like the shooter is going to present his weapon. Are the Okies really that dense?
Yes. In California, they still tell Okie jokes from the Depression...
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
I think it's an "anal" thing ! People are scared to death of the government contented to sit very quietly in the dark until some jack-boot kicks in their door and snaps their chicken-neck.
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
According to reports in the Tulsa World the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation sent letters to members of the community who were registered as owning .40-caliber handguns suggesting they voluntarily bring in their gun or guns for a test. Something smells about this article. Police don't have access to any "registration", it would take some period of time to go through the BATFE to obtain records of local gun-owners (if that were possible). Further, not all gun owners are visible: many, if not most (like myself), have numerous firearms purchased through individual sales/family transactions.
Curiously, both my parents were from the OK, but they got to TX as soon as they could.
Register that X-15 ISP immediately. Send out some BATFE goons, kill the dog before you slap the wife. How's about we just say ... screw you. I mean we have a million reasons that qualify as breach of compact or whatever the CON stitution is supposed to be ... geez
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
LOL!!!! Unfortunately, that strikes a little closer to the truth these days than it did in the past. All the more reason to purchase firearms *ahem* "off the grid" *ahem*. No use giving the government any more paperwork about yourself than necessary, and it ain't necessary for them to know what I own.
Hope ya didn't get any on ya !!! Hahahahaha !
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
Hey man, google your screen name ...
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
TX is close both in terms of geography and culture. "Grapes of Wrath" California is far and a totally different culture. Down in Salinas/Monterey in CA, they mock the Okies to this day. Of course, these days, the rest of the US mocks California so I guess its Karma coming back on them.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Lots of rocketry. Click on "X-15" on the bottom left in this post.
After WWII, my Okie grandmother and aunt, bailed from the OK because of the teacher shortage in SoCal and the fantastic (to them) financial packages that the CA ISD's were offering to teachers. Over the years they did very, very well for themselves on the left coast.
I have a Vulcan minigun, three of them actually, mounted in my airplane. Y'know, what used to be called Puff the Magic Dragon. So I have nothing to worry about, unless about a thousand people end up as mincemeat.
Freeper: I read, but do not understand, write, but make no sense, think, but nothing happens.
I stand partially corrected, the OSBI found gun-owners the old-fashioned way: By MANNY GAMALLO World Staff Writer 8/20/2008 Last Modified: 8/20/2008 2:20 AM OSBI agents went to gun dealers and pawnshops to create a list of .40-caliber Glock owners. WELEETKA — Authorities working to narrow their leads in the June 8 shooting deaths of two girls used old-fashioned legwork to come up with a list of area gun owners with .40-caliber pistols, one of two weapons used in the slayings. Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation agents knew the caliber of the guns used in the killings, so they merely checked with area gun dealers and pawnshops to determine who had bought or recently pawned .40-caliber Glocks. "It's a typical procedure of any investigation" involving a gun, according to Jessica Brown, spokeswoman for the OSBI. That time-consuming procedure yielded the OSBI the names of more than 60 owners of .40-caliber guns in the Weleetka area. Consequently, the OSBI sent letters to all those gun owners, asking them to voluntarily submit their weapons for test firings over the weekend at the Okfuskee County Courthouse at Okemah. About 40 of those gun owners showed up on Saturday and Sunday, and their weapons were fired once or twice and then returned to them. The fired bullets and shell casings, meanwhile, were sent to a crime lab for analysis to determine if any of them match those used in the slayings of Skyla Jade Whitaker, 11, and Taylor Paschal-Placker, 13. Brown said about five of the gun owners no longer owned the weapons, but they provided the names of the new owners. The other 15 or so gun owners who did not show up will be checked by the OSBI to see why they didn't volunteer for the test firings. "They can have any number of reasons" for not volunteering, Brown said. "They could be against it, they could be anti-government, or they eventually may want to help." Because the test firing of the weapons is voluntary, Brown said there isn't any constitutional violations involved. "It's a process of elimination," she said, noting that the tested weapons may have been loaned out by the owners or someone else may have had access to the guns. On Monday, when the OSBI announced that it had test-fired weapons, it stated in its press release that it had sent letters to the "registered gun owners." That prompted concern Tuesday among many in the public, who noted that Oklahoma does not have a gun-registry law nor a central database of gun owners. Tom Harris, an agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) in Tulsa, confirmed that. According to Harris, most states, including Oklahoma, and the federal government do not have lists of registered gun owners. He said the only way to get a listing of gun owners is by canvassing gun dealers or pawnshops individually to find out who bought weapons — as the OSBI did. Harris said gun dealers — "federal firearms licensees" — have to fill out ATF form 4473 whenever a weapon is purchased. The form lists the buyer, the address and other pertinent information. They also have to contact the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) to determine whether the prospective buyer can legally purchase a weapon. Harris said the 4473 forms stay with the gun dealers and are not submitted to any government agency. They are, however, available to law enforcement. If a gun dealer goes out of business, the 4473 forms are stored in an ATF warehouse, he said. Although the OSBI made public that a .40-caliber weapon was used in the slayings, it is not identifying the caliber of the other gun used. Brown would not say whether voluntary test firings would be held for the other weapon. Authorities believe the killers are from the Weleetka area, given the remote location of the girls' slayings. They said the killers had to be familiar with the area — N. 3890 Road (County Line Road) north of Coleman Road, about four miles northeast of Weleetka. Skyla was visiting Taylor at her home when they decided to go for a walk that Sunday afternoon. They walked north from Taylor's home along County Line Road to the Bad Creek bridge, a half-mile away. Investigators said the two had made it to the bridge and were returning to Taylor's home when they were gunned down. Their bodies were found in a shallow roadside ditch, less than 1,000 feet from the Placker home. They were found about 30 minutes after they had left for the walk. Autopsy reports on the girls showed they had been shot a total of 13 times. Skyla, the youngest, was shot eight times, and she suffered the most .40- caliber bullet wounds. Authorities noted that each of the girls was shot with two weapons. The medical examiner recovered spent bullets from their bodies and described them as small- and medium-sized.
Got this from 24hourcampfire: People making private purchases should pay cash, give no information to the seller, and never volunteer !
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
Always. That's exactly what I do. I got a handgun through a newspaper classified: met the seller in a courthouse parking lot and swapped cash for merchandise!!!
There was a "rape" last week ... the government wants to inspect your penis.
#2. To: lodwick (#1)
Are the Okies really that dense?
#3. To: noone222 (#0)
It's a global thing
AAP General News (Australia)
10-24-2005
Qld: Police to carry out random gun inspections
Queensland police say they are about to conduct a statewide audit of licensed gun owners
.. to ensure they're abiding by safety laws.
Police will randomly select a proportion of the state's 152 thousand weapons act licences.
They'll then approach firearm owners .. many in remote rural areas .. to inspect their
storage arrangements.
The audit will be conducted over six months .. and will be the first of a series of
random inspections.
AAP RTV rm/tm
KEYWORD: FIREARM (BRISBANE)
¿ 2005 AAP Information Services Pty Limited (AAP) or its Licensors.
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#3)
It's a global thing
#5. To: noone222 (#0)
Oklahoma police investigating the shooting deaths of two girls have told area residents with guns to bring them in for a test to determine whether they were used in the attack, sparking concern among those who own guns for hunting and self-defense.
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#6. To: mirage (#2)
#7. To: X-15 (#5)
Further, not all gun owners are visible: many, if not most (like myself), have numerous firearms purchased through individual sales/family transactions.
#8. To: noone222 (#7)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#9. To: lodwick (#6)
Curiously, both my parents were from the OK, but they got to TX as soon as they could.
#10. To: X-15 (#8)
#11. To: lodwick (#6)
Curiously, both my parents were from the OK, but they got to TX as soon as they could.
#12. To: noone222 (#10)
“The best and first guarantor of our neutrality and our independent existence is the defensive will of the people…and the proverbial marksmanship of the Swiss shooter. Each soldier a good marksman! Each shot a hit!” Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
#13. To: mirage (#11)
#14. To: noone222 (#0)
#15. To: noone222 (#0)
#16. To: noone222, All (#0)
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#17. To: X-15 (#16)
#18. To: noone222 (#17)
-Schweizerische Schutzenseitunt (Swiss Shooting Federation) April, 1941
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