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Title: BOMBSHELL: Black Obama Is Not a US Citizen. Not Eligible to be US President
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URL Source: http://www.waronfreedom.org/dox/BONoUsCitizen.htm
Published: Aug 24, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-08-24 05:38:14 by Zoroaster
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BOMBSHELL: Barack Obama Is Not a US Citizen, Not Eligible to be US President. Birth Certificate Found in Kenya. Citizen of Kenya and Indonesia. Hawaiian Certificate Forged, Suit Alleges. Republicans Can Hardly Wait for Dems to Take Obama Bait http://www.waronfreedom.org/dox/BONoUsCitizen.htm Attorney Phil Berg speaks on his Federal Suit to Stop Obama, this week on Listen on Demand on World Crisis Radio with Webster Tarpley. On Aug. 21st attorney Philip J. Berg requested a temporary restraining order in Federal Court against the nomination of Barack Obama, citing evidence that candidate Barack Obama is not a US citizen, and "the obvious problems that will occur when the Republican Party raises these issues after Obama is nominated." See Berg's website, http://www.ObamaCrimes.com . Berg argues that Barack Obama was born in Kenya in 1961 to an American woman, Stanley Ann Dunham, and a Kenyan man, Barack Hussein Obama Senior, as reportedly shown by a birth certificate from Mombasa Maternity Hospital and witnessed by Barack's relatives. According to the law at that time, a parent could pass US citizenship on to a child born abroad if the parent was at least 19 years old. Obama's mother was only 18. No hospital birth certificate has been produced to prove Obama was born in Hawaii, only a certificate of birth registry after the fact, which forensics experts have denounced as a forgery. New photos of the certificate were posted on the Internet on Aug. 21st at FactCheck.org, which is a project of the Annenberg Center, a longtime sponsor of Obama. It is quite suspicious in itself that the "facts" are not being "checked" by an independent source, and that only a short-form certificate without the name of the hospital is shown. Barack's mother could have flown from Kenya to Hawaii right after the birth, then reported that she had the child at home, in order to secure her son's US citizenship. The judge needs to subpoena Hawaiian officials to provide an original hospital report of birth. Moreover, when Obama was six years old his mother remarried and moved with her husband to his country, Indonesia. Records indicate Obama was naturalized as an Indonesian citizen. Indonesia does not allow dual nationality, so even had he been born in Hawaii, he would have lost his citizenship then. See http://www.waronfreedom.org/dox/BO-NO-Citizen-BriefFacts.htm for factual background of Berg's suit. Even if Obama is able to provide a US birth certificate, a dozen more insurmountable scandals face this unelectable candidate, which the Republicans can hardly wait to unleash on him after he is nominated. 1. When Obama recently made an issue of the number of houses the McCains own, McCain shot back with much heavier artillery: Obama's friend Rezko is a convicted felon, sitting in jail. Obama is the candidate of Chicago corruption. His other cronies Auchi and Alsammare are also convicted felons who have stolen hundreds of millions from the Iraqi Provisional authority and from the government in Illinois. This has been detailed by investigative journalist Evelyn Pringle on opednews, and by Webster Tarpley in his forthcoming book, "Barack H. Obama: the Unauthorized Biography." 2. Obama has very close links to the convicted Weathermen terrorist bombers Bill Ayres and Bernardine Dohrn. He shared board memberships with Ayres on the Woods Fund and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. This and most of the following scandals are detailed in Tarpley's "Obama – The Postmodern Coup: Making of a Manchurian Candidate," released in June. 3 Obama is very close to the racist demagogues Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Otis Moss III, Hopkins, Meeks, and Pfleger. 4 Obama has been accused in Federal Court of using crack cocaine by Larry Sinclair, along with gay sex. The Obama camp retaliated by arresting Sinclair in an enemies list operation by Beau Biden, son of veep candidate Joe Biden. 5. The mysterious deaths of black gays in and around Wright's Church: Donald Young, Nate Spencer, Larry Bland could be linked to Obama. 6. Obama's relations to Chechen Terrorism through Ilyas Achmadov. 7. His relations to CIA-controlled Palestinian factions Khalidi and Abu Nimah. 8. The mysterious deaths of key Clinton delegates and floor leaders just before the convention: Bill Gwatney and Tubbs Jones. 9. The alleged Michelle Obama Hate Whitey tape. 10. Then of course there is the problem that Obama is a very weak candidate as regards appeal across the spectrum. In the primaries Obama was not able to carry any of the big Blue states that a Democrat has to win in the electoral college for the general election. Obama is not able to appeal to the electorate on the issues, only on his personality. His attempt to appear populist fails since he is in fact the puppet of the right-wing Chicago School and revanchist Brzezinski faction. Instead of offering what the great majority of Americans want, peace abroad and fixing the economy at home, he will deliver increased austerity. The war in Georgia shows that the post-9/11 era has now ended with a new cold war against Russia, inspired by Obama's guru Brzezinski. As Tarpley points out, Obama has never won a real election contest; his way has always been smoothed by engineered scandals. But this time the scandals are set to go the other way. The Democrat National Committee has to be certified insane if they nominate Obama. There is no way he can beat "war hero" McCain with a ton of dirty laundry like this around his neck. And even that pales beside the blamage, the loss of face for the Democrats if they nominate a candidate who is not even a US citizen, thus giving the election by default to the Republicans. That would be the final insult to what is left of the two-party system. By the way, John McCain was born outside the US, on a US military base in the Canal Zone, but an act of Congress in the 1930's accorded citizenship to all children born to US parents in the Canal Zone. In Barack Obama's case his citizenship hinges mainly on whether or not he was born in the US. #30# Tarpley's publisher, Progressive Press, is offering a free PDF file of Obama: The Postmodern Coup to all bloggers and book reviewers - especially before the nomination next week! Contact info@progressivepress.com
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#1. To: Zoroaster (#0)
I understand that Obama's Hawaii birth certificate is legitimate. So while he is a natural born US citizen, McCain definitely is not but no one is going to challenge him.
Why should it be challenged? He was born in Panama, an American territory at the time, to a US serviceman stationed there. End of story. If Obama's birth certificate is legit, then where is the original? For his campaign and supporters to continually dodge and weave about the issue, and for so many forgeries to surface, does raise serious questions.
If Obama wants to end all of this speculation, all he has to do is: 1) Release his US State Dept travel records to dispel the allegation that he travelled to Pakistan at age 20 on an Indonesian passport. 2) Have Hawaii release his birth certificate to dispel the allegation from Wayne Madsen that he personally saw Obama's Kenyan birth certificate.
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The Canal Zone was not a U.S. territory at the time. It was leased land, sort of like Guantanamo. The argument against McCain is as follows: "1. The 14th Amendment and matching policy limit citizenship to either natural born or naturalized, but not both. 2. John McCain was born in 1936 in the Canal Zone to citizen parents. 3. 8 USC 1403(a) declares naturalized citizenship in 1952 on persons born in the Canal Zone to citizen parents. 4. Therefore, 8 USC 1403(a) applies to John McCain at age 16. 5. Therefore, John McCain is a naturalized citizen. 6. By treaty, the Canal Zone was not part of the United States. 7. Therefore, John McCain was not born in the United States. 8. Therefore, John McCain is a citizen not born in the United States. 9. Therefore, John McCain is not a natural born citizen. 10. Article II of the Constitution states to be President a person must be a natural born citizen. 11. THEREFORE, John McCain is not eligible to be President of the United States under Article II of the Constitution..."
Annenberg Political Factcheck spent time with the original birth certificate, located at the Obama headquarters in Chicago, and debunked every argument against its authenticity and included photos taken of the document to prove its points. Of course, we can dream that both candidates get knocked out on the "natural born citizen" issue.
Even if it were proven beyond any doubt that one or both of these guys could not legally hold the office, it wouldn't matter. It would matter if we were still a republic, but not now. The US is now a kleptocracy and the elites will not tolerate silly things like laws or constitutional restrictions that get in their way.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
You sound like you are not a firm believer in the two party system of this country? Surely if the dems hold sway they will clean up the mess left by the pubs. No more war. All troops home. Lower taxes, inflation will be halted????????
Was this done before, or after, McCain hatched?
McCain was hatched in 1936. The Canal Zone was an unincorporated territory, making his case distinguishable from, for example, Barry Goldwater born in the incorporated territory of Arizona. Congress pass a statute in 1937 granting citizenship to "any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904" who had at least one U.S. parent. That statute is Act of Aug. 4, 1937, § 1, 50 Stat.. 558, ch. 563, codified at 8 U.S.C. § 1403(a). If not a natural born citizen by reason of jus solis, referring to his place of birth, McCain could still be a natural born citizen by way of jus sanguinis, referring to blood (two U.S. parents). Scholarly arguments on the issue, generally, go back and forth.
I don't care much for McCain. But saying he isn't a natural born citizen and therefore ineligible to become President is a joke. I am not sure about Obama though. I have heard about birth certificate forgeries and stuff. I don't know if it is true or not. What is troubling though is that even if it is true that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen he would probably get away with it. There should be some kind of mechanism that if this question is raised it could be addressed definatively.
That bears repeating
Thus anyone born in 1936 was not an automatic US citizen.
A person born in the CZ prior to the Act was retroactively declared to be a U.S. citizen. Retroactive congressional legislation does not make the person a natural born U.S. citizen. A different argument was that the CZ was under the sole and exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S. and therefore McCain was natural born. Also, a child born of two U.S. citizens abroad may be a natural-bron U.S. citizen. In an opinion jointly issued by Tribe and Olson, given below, they opined that McCain is a natural born citizen. March 19, 2008 We have analyzed whether Senator John McCain Is eligible for the U.S. Presidency, in light of the requirement under Article II of the U.S. Constitution that only "natural born Citizen[s] ... shall be eligible to the Office of President." U.S. Const. art. II, § 1, cl. 5. We conclude that Senator McCain is a "natural born Citizen" by virtue of his birth in 1936 to U.S. citizen parents who were serving their country on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone. The circumstances of Senator McCain's birth satisfy the original meaning and intent of the Natural Born Citizen Clause, as confirmed by subsequent legal precedent and historical practice. The Constitution does not define the meaning of "natural born Citizen." The U.S. Supreme Court gives meaning to terms that are not expressly defined in the Constitution by looking to the context in which those terms are used; to statutes enacted by the First Congress, Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783, 790-91 (1983); and to the common law at the time of the Founding. United Suites v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 655 (1898). These sources all confirm that the phrase "natural born" includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth within a nation's territory and allegiance. Thus, regardless of the sovereign status of the Panama Canal Zone at the time of Senator McCain's birth, he is a "natural born" citizen because he was born to parents who were U.S. citizens. Congress has recognized in successive federal statutes since the Nation's Founding that children born abroad to U.S. citizens are themselves U.S. citizens. 8 U.S.C. § 1401(c); see also Act of May 24, 1934, Pub. L. No. 73-250, § 1,48 Stat 797, 797. Indeed, the statute that the First Congress enacted on this subject not only established that such children are U.S. citizens, but also expressly referred to them as "natural born citizens." Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, § 1, 1 Stat. 103, 104. Senator McCain's status as a "natural born" citizen by virtue of his birth to U.S. citizen parents is consistent with British statutes in force when the Constitution was drafted, which undoubtedly informed the Framers' understanding of the Natural Born Citizen Clause. Those statutes provided, for example, that children born abroad to parents who were "natural-born Subjects" were also "natural-born Subjects ... to all Intents, Constructions and Purposes whatsoever." British Nationality Act, 1730, 4 Geo. 2, c. 21. The Framers substituted the word "citizen" for "subject" to reflect the shift from monarchy to democracy, but the Supreme Court has recognized that the two terms are otherwise identical:. See, e.g., Hennessy v. Richardson Drug Co., 189 U.S. 25, 34-35 (1903). Thus, the First Congress's statutory recognition that persons born abroad to U.S. citizens were "natural born" citizens fully conformed to British tradition, whereby citizenship conferred by statute based on the circumstances of one's birth made one natural born. There is a second and independent basis for concluding that Senator McCain is a "natural born" citizen within the meaning of the Constitution. If the Panama Canal Zone was sovereign U.S. territory at the time of Senator McCain's birth, then that fact alone would make him a "natural born" citizen under the well-established principle that "natural born" citizenship includes birth within the territory and allegiance of the United States. See, e.g., Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. at 655-66. The Fourteenth Amendment expressly enshrines this connection between birthplace and citizenship in the text of the Constitution. U.S. Const. amend. XIV, § 1 ("All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are --- citizens of the United States ....") (emphases added). Premising "natural born" citizenship on the character of the territory in which one is born is rooted in the common-law understanding that persons born within the British kingdom and under loyalty to the British Crown -- including most of the Framers themselves, who were born In the American colonies -- were deemed "natural born subjects," See, e.g., 1 William Blackstone, Commentaries on the Laws of England 354 (Legal Classics Library 1983) (1765) ("Natural-born subjects are such as are born within the dominions of the crown of England, that is, within the ligeance, or as it is generally called, the allegiance of the king...."). There is substantial legal support for the proposition that the Panama Canal Zone was indeed sovereign U.S. territory when Senator McCain was born there in 1936. The U.S. Supreme Court has explained that, "[from 1904 to 1979, the United States exercised sovereignty over the Panama Canal and the surrounding 10-mile-wide Panama Canal Zone." O'Connor v. United States, 479 U.S. 27, 28 (1986). Congress and the executive branch similarly suggested that the Canal Zone was subject to the sovereignty of the United States. See, e.g., The President --Government of the Canal Zone, 26 Op. Att'y Gen, 113, 116 (1907) (recognizing that the 1904 treaty between the United States and Panama "imposed upon the United States the obligations as well as the powers of a sovereign within the [Canal Zone]"); Panama Canal Act of 1912, Pub. L. No. 62-337, § I. 37 Stat. 560, 560 (recognizing that "the use, occupancy, or control" of the Canal Zone had been "granted to the United. States by the treaty between the United States and the Republic of Panama"). Thus, although Senator McCain was not born within a State, there is a significant body of legal authority indicating that he was nevertheless born within the sovereign territory of the United States. Historical practice confirms that birth on soil that is under the sovereignty of the United States, but not within a State, satisfies the Natural Born Citizen Clause. For example, Vice President Charles Curtis was born in the territory of Kansas on January 25, 1860 -- one year before Kansas became a State. Because the Twelfth Amendment requires that Vice Presidents possess the same qualifications as Presidents, the service of Vice President Curtis verifies that the phrase "natural born Citizen" includes birth outside of any State but within U.S. territory. Similarly, Senator Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before its statehood, yet attained the Republican Party's presidential nomination in 1964. And Senator Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961 -- not long after its admission to the Union on August 21, 1959. We find it inconceivable that Senator Obama would have been ineligible for the Presidency had he been born two years earlier. Senator McCain's candidacy for the Presidency is consistent not only with the accepted meaning of "natural born Citizen," but also with the Framers' intentions when adopting that language. The Natural Born Citizen Clause was added to the Constitution shortly after John Jay sent a letter to George Washington expressing concern about "Foreigners" attaining the position of Commander in Chief, 3 Max Farrand, The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, at 61 (1911). It goes without saying that the Framers did not intend to exclude a person from the office of the President simply because he or she was born to U.S. citizens serving in the U.S. military outside of the continental United States; Senator McCain is certainly not the hypothetical "Foreigner" who John Jay and George Washington were concerned might usurp the role of Commander in Chief. --- Therefore, based on original meaning of the Constitution, the Framers' intentions, and subsequent legal and historical precedent, Senator McCain's birth, to parents who were U.S. citizens, serving on a U.S. military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936, makes him a "natural born Citizen" within the meaning of the Constitution. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
Thus anyone born in 1936 was not an automatic US citizen. Nor was McCain born in the Canal Zone, which didn't have a hospital. However that isn't the issue. He was born to two US citzens, which according to US citizenship law since our first citizenship laws were passed makes him a citizen upon birth. This isn't even an issue. Its proven.
Obama will be in deep shit if the law suit to stop his nomination is reported by the Electric Jew. Monday morning would be a great time to drop it with the Dem Convention coming up. Stay turned. Morning Jerk and Mika Brzezinski may have something to say about it.
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I agree McCain is a natural born citizen, but we do not actually have any law directly defining the term natural born citizen. The 1790 Act was a law for a uniform rule of naturalization, as none existed up to that time. Regarding natural born status, it cites several exceptions, not applicable to McCain. The 1790 Act was repealed and replaced by a 1795 Act that referred only to "citizens" rather than "natural born citizens." The text of that first naturalization law follows: Act of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat 103-104) FIRST CONGRESS. Sess: II. Ch. 3 1790 Chap. III. -- An Act to establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.(a) That any alien, being a free white person, who shall have resided within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States for the term of two years, may be admitted to become a citizen thereof, on application to any common law court of record, in any one of the States wherein he shall have resided for the term of one year at least, and making proof to the satisfaction of such court, that he is a person of good character, and taking the oath or affirmation prescribed by law, to support the Constitution of the United States, which oath or affirmation such court shall administer; and the clerk of such court shall record such application, and the proceedings thereon; and thereupon such person shall be considered as a citizen of the United States. And the children of such persons so naturalized, dwelling within the United States, being under the age of twenty-one years at the time of such naturalization, shall also be considered as citizens of the United States. And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States: Provided also, That no person heretofore proscribed by any state, shall be admitted a citizen as aforesaid, except by an act of the legislature of the state in which such person was proscribed. (a) Approved, March 26, 1790.
I agree McCain is a natural born citizen, but we do not actually have any law directly defining the term natural born citizen. I think you have to assume natural born citizen means someone who was a citizen immediately at birth. That is obviously what the founders meant.
i agree. obama has been chosen by the power elites to be the dem candidate. i'm betting this was vetted and deemed not an issue of concern.
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i agree. obama has been chosen by the power elites to be the dem candidate. i'm betting this was vetted and deemed not an issue of concern. I suspect that they are simply so arrogant and filled with hubris that it never occurred to his handlers that this was a vulnerability. The other possibility that occurs to my sneaky suspicious mind is that it is a maneuver similar to a "Double Clinton" where Klinton was brought up, impeached, on the least of the charges that could have been brought and then "exonerated" thus innoculating him against any further charges. So, it could be that this is being done to "innoculate" Oh'Bummer against this charge. I'm not saying that this is what is but that it is a possibility.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I hold the opinion that being a citizen at birth is the intended meaning of "natural born citizen." There is some disagreement with that opinion. The "natural born" clause passed without debate, and the courts have never directly addressed the specific meaning. What record there is suggests that the intent of the restriction was to prevent foreigners from becoming commander-in-chief. This was at a time when Hamilton was floating the monarchy idea, or president for life. I find it illogical to assert that there was any intent to rule out the child of an overseas diplomat or service member, but give eligibility to the child of two aliens. With two American parents, I would find McCain a natural born citizen based on parentage. An additional claim to citizenship, based on place of birth, is more complicated. The argument about McCain's status was renewed when a paper by Professor Gabriel Chin of the University of Arizona challenged the opinion of Tribe and Olson that the CZ was under U.S. sovereign control in 1936 and McCain, for that reason, had a claim to citizenship. That was not exclusive to a citizenship claim through parentage, and footnote 3 to Chin's paper states, "This essay does not examine whether a person obtaining citizenship at birth to U.S. citizen parents overseas is a natural born citizen; the answer is almost certainly yes, and has been thoroughly explored."
"black obama"???? Not a citizen? Please, this isn't even an interesting distraction. The stupid party is going to have to do better than this is they want to smear Sen. Obama.
Paris / Rihanna 2008
Are you a politically correct suckpoop goy? You don't sound like a WhiteGuy.
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Obomber smears himself every time he opens his mouth. What is it about Obomber's 2nd amendment position that you find attractive?
You're sadly misinformed: The Lawsuit was filed by a Democrat and Hillary supporter: http://dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com/2008/08/22/pennsylvania-democrat-lawyer- operative-phillip-berg-files-lawsuit-seeks-injunction-against-candidacy-of- barack-h-obama-barry-soetoro-is-threatened-by-democrats-filing-in-federal- district-court-fo/ Pennsylvania Democrat Lawyer Operative Phillip Berg Files Lawsuit Seeks Injunction against Candidacy of Barack H. Obama (Barry Soetoro) is Threatened by Democrat’s Filing in Federal District Court for Eastern Pennsylvania Team Hillary Clinton Pulls Trigger on Obama’s Birth Certificate Scandal Phillip Berg Files Sues Seeking Injunction against Continuance of Barack Obama’s Presidential Campaign before Democrats’ Convention in Denver Democrat operative Phillip Berg has filed suit in the Federal District Court for eastern Pennsylvania requesting an injunction against the continuance of Barack Obama’s candidacy for president, citing that Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud as presented on the web, that it is a photo-shopped alteration of Obama’s half sister Maya Kassandra Soetoro’s birth certificate, and that Obama, if ever a U. S. citizen (the suit alleges he was born in Kenya), became an Indonesian citizen named Barry Soetoro (his registration name at the school he attended in Indonesia). Berg says he filed this lawsuit to prevent this scandal from taking down Obama after he would be nominated, not wanting the alert Republicans to take him down before the general election, insuring the McCain win, so Berg is “doing it for the party,” and obviously, greatly benefitting Team Hillary, who no doubt gave the green light on this legal maneuver which will certainly be a hot topic of discussion at the Democrats’ convention next week, with convention floor signage such as “Barry Soetoro for President” to bring the point home to the viewing audience. And if you have a moment, and have wondered about how the Great Pyramid was surveyed to be a reduction of the earth’s dimensions, then checkout article #2 at http://IceAgeCivilizations.com, explaining the numerations of astrology, and demonstrating the origin of our modern nautical mile mapping system. Ads by Google The Real Barack Obama The truth behind the canditate - "Barack Obama Exposed" - Free! www.HumanEvents.comFree Obama-Biden Sticker No charge. Going fast. Even the shipping's free. pol.moveon.org/barackstickersMcCain Vs Obama Are You Losing Social Security? The Economy Beyond '09. Free Report www.MoneyAndMarkets.com1 rule of flat stomach: Cut down 37 lbs of stomach fat in 3 months by keeping this 1 rule. Wu-YiSource.com This entry was posted on August 22, 2008 at 2:04 am and is filed under News Commentary. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. Responses are currently closed, but you can trackback from your own site. Comments are closed. This Blog... The author is a young earth creationist, who is commenting on how mainstream scientists and New Agers are missing the boat (willfully in many cases) as they interpret the evidences about our ancient history. Categories Ages of Things Ancient Navigation Atlantis Revealed Black Sea Research Catastrophic Climate Change General Information News Commentary Random Notions Submerged Ancient Ruins Blogroll Genesis Veracity Website Ice Age Civilizations Other Archives August 2008 (74) July 2008 (123) June 2008 (82) May 2008 (64) April 2008 (45) March 2008 (132) February 2008 (78) January 2008 (143) December 2007 (85) November 2007 (36) October 2007 (85) September 2007 (53) August 2007 (5) Meta Log in Entries RSS Comments RSS WordPress.org Blog Stats 119,834 hits Theme: Contempt by Vault9. Blog at WordPress.com.
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Berg is no nitwit trying to draw attention to himself. I don't believe that this suit would have been filed were there not solid evidence to support it.
A nation of idiots, governed by tyrants.
Ha! That's all you have? You know what I stated is correct. There is no merit to the claim. and if the gopers really want to do some damage they're going to have to do better.
Paris / Rihanna 2008
Nothing, why do you ask?
Paris / Rihanna 2008
Of what was I misinformed? that the "lawsuit" was filed by a democrat? Seriously, do you believe this is on the up and up? Watch and see - there will be a lot more "democrats abandon obama, now support mccain" crap floating around as the days go by. Perhaps you don't think the gop operative could ever be behind this sort of distraction, that's ok, I disagree. And as I said - they're gonna have to do a lot better than that. and why? because mccain is less interesting, statesmanlike, and electable than Bob Dole.t
Paris / Rihanna 2008
this isn't the Gop'ers doing. i'm sure it's possible the clintons are in cahoots with the mcCain people. i honestly don't think this particular issue has any legs anyway. i also wonder if obama's selection of biden makes this all moot. it's obvious to me that obama's a system player and not a man on his own.
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My point exactly. I agree with your point on biden, there is no one who is more of a "big government insider" than biden (except maybe mccain)
Paris / Rihanna 2008
Questions about McCain's status were mooted when Congress passed a law declaring him a Natural-Born Citizen. No such law has been passed referring to Obama as of YET. Since the Constitution does not define what a "natural born citizen" is, the Congress may define it by statute. Unfortunately, this is how it is.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Right on the money!
I believe that was a non-binding resolution of the Senate. [S. Res.110-511 (Apr. 30, 2008)]. A resolution of a single house lacks the force of law.
True, but McCain has also gotten court opinions that concur. For McCain, it is a moot point and not worth pursuing. The wagons have circled.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
#2. To: Ada (#1)
#3. To: Ada (#1)
McCain definitely is not but no one is going to challenge him.
#4. To: Pern, nolu_chan, Ada (#3)
#5. To: Pern (#3)
#6. To: nolu_chan (#2)
#7. To: Ada (#6)
Of course, we can dream that both candidates get knocked out on the "natural born citizen" issue.
#8. To: orangedog (#7)
the elites will not tolerate silly things like laws or constitutional restrictions that get in their way.
#9. To: Zoroaster (#0)
By the way, John McCain was born outside the US, on a US military base in the Canal Zone, but an act of Congress in the 1930's accorded citizenship to all children born to US parents in the Canal Zone.
#10. To: lodwick, Zoroaster (#9)
Was this done before, or after, McCain hatched?
#11. To: nolu_chan (#10)
#12. To: orangedog (#7)
Even if it were proven beyond any doubt that one or both of these guys could not legally hold the office, it wouldn't matter. It would matter if we were still a republic, but not now. The US is now a kleptocracy and the elites will not tolerate silly things like laws or constitutional restrictions that get in their way.
#13. To: nolu_chan (#10)
Congress pass a statute in 1937 granting citizenship to "any person born in the Canal Zone on or after February 26, 1904" who had at least one U.S. parent.
#14. To: Ada (#13)
Thus anyone born in 1936 was not an automatic US citizen.
Opinion of Laurence H. Tribe and Theodore B. Olson
#15. To: Ada (#13)
#16. To: Cynicom (#8)
#17. To: Rhino369, Ada (#15)
(Edited)
He was born to two US citzens, which according to US citizenship law since our first citizenship laws were passed makes him a citizen upon birth.
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#18. To: nolu_chan (#17)
#19. To: orangedog (#7)
Even if it were proven beyond any doubt that one or both of these guys could not legally hold the office, it wouldn't matter. It would matter if we were still a republic, but not now. The US is now a kleptocracy and the elites will not tolerate silly things like laws or constitutional restrictions that get in their way.
#20. To: christine, Orangedog (#19)
Even if it were proven beyond any doubt that one or both of these guys could not legally hold the office, it wouldn't matter. It would matter if we were still a republic, but not now. The US is now a kleptocracy and the elites will not tolerate silly things like laws or constitutional restrictions that get in their way.
#21. To: Rhino369 (#18)
I think you have to assume natural born citizen means someone who was a citizen immediately at birth. That is obviously what the founders meant.
#22. To: Zoroaster (#0)
Black Obama Is Not a US Citizen. Not Eligible to be US President
#23. To: WhiteGuy (#22)
#24. To: WhiteGuy (#22)
The stupid party is going to have to do better than this is they want to smear Sen. Obama.
#25. To: WhiteGuy (#22)
The stupid party is going to have to do better than this is they want to smear Sen. Obama.
#26. To: Zoroaster. all (#25)
#27. To: Zoroaster (#23)
Are you a politically correct suckpoop goy? You don't sound like a WhiteGuy.
#28. To: Jethro Tull (#24)
What is it about Obomber's 2nd amendment position that you find attractive?
#29. To: Zoroaster (#25)
You're sadly misinformed: The Lawsuit was filed by a Democrat and Hillary supporter:
#30. To: WhiteGuy (#27)
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Berg says he filed this lawsuit to prevent this scandal from taking down Obama after he would be nominated, not wanting the alert Republicans to take him down before the general election, insuring the McCain win, so Berg is “doing it for the party,” and obviously, greatly benefitting Team Hillary, who no doubt gave the green light on this legal maneuver which will certainly be a hot topic of discussion at the Democrats’ convention next week, with convention floor signage such as “Barry Soetoro for President” to bring the point home to the viewing audience.
#31. To: christine (#30)
i honestly don't think this particular issue has any legs anyway
#32. To: Zoroaster (#0)
#33. To: orangedog (#7)
#34. To: mirage, Zoroaster (#32)
Questions about McCain's status were mooted when Congress passed a law declaring him a Natural-Born Citizen.
#35. To: nolu_chan (#34)
A resolution of a single house lacks the force of law.
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