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Title: Dr. Kevin MacDonald Speaks with Hesham Tillawi about Jews Source: Google Video/currentissues.tv URL Source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4635234956967114827 Published: Sep 10, 2006 Author: Hesham Tillawi Post Date: 2008-08-24 21:36:41 by buckeye Keywords: CurrentIssues.TVViews: 244 Comments: 12
Jewish: Is it a race or is it a religion? Zionists, Jews, Israel Poster Comment:From http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Reviews.htm Summaries and Reviews of Kevin MacDonald's Books on JudaismA People that Shall Dwell Alone: Judaism as a Group Evolutionary Strategy: Summary, Reviews, Ordering information Separation and Its Discontents: Toward an Evolutionary Theory of Anti-Semitism: Summary, Reviews, Ordering information The Culture of Critique: An Evolutionary Analysis of Jewish Involvement in Twentieth-Century Intellectual and Political Movements: Summary, Reviews, Ordering information
Jewish: Is it a race or is it a religion? Zionists, Jews, Israel
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#1. To: robnoel, Cynicom, lodwick, Tauzero, christine, nikki, Pissed Off Janitor, Horse (#0) Looking around at some of the folks Rob was mentioning led me to this researcher. He's got some interesting material here about genetics and psychology. It gets political at times. buckeye posted on 2008-08-24 21:40:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #2. To: buckeye (#1) Purpose is not a scientifically valid idea, but I quite like MacDonald. Should be required reading, along with Jewish Supremacism. But I think Whittaker is right about the proper focus, and, from my point of view, Jared is right too. On the question of ethnicity, a related thing has been observed in birds in the last few years (e.g. many species thought previously to be closely related, like falcons and eagles, actually aren't, despite some phenotypic similarity in appearance and behavior. The similarities are the result of phenotypic convergent evolution, producing rough similarities from a different genetic basis.) They say they are for "diversity". What they really are for is slavery. Tauzero posted on 2008-08-24 22:21:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #3. To: Tauzero (#2) Purpose? Is this some concept MacDonald touts? buckeye posted on 2008-08-24 22:22:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #4. To: buckeye (#3) Much of psychology is riddled with it. ;) And admittedly it can be cumbersome to state things in proper scientific language (i.e. behaviorist.) The charge of self-deception, particularly, is speculation about an (invisible) internal state. Internal states are not necessary for a scientific description. Self-deception, potentially, could be verified with some sort of brain scan -- and then just becomes a name for a particular pattern of brain activity. They say they are for "diversity". What they really are for is slavery. Tauzero posted on 2008-08-24 22:45:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #5. To: buckeye (#0) i have McDonald's Culture of Critique. his chapter on immigration is very interesting. the book is quite scholarly. not an easy read. i'll watch the video though. thanks for posting it. Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com christine posted on 2008-08-25 0:18:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #6. To: buckeye (#0) Hesham interviews Texe Marrs: The Jews are not the Chosen People video.google.com/videopla...8862697147505194699 &hl=en Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com christine posted on 2008-08-25 1:18:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #7. To: christine. all (#6) After the resurrection, I believe that the 'chosen' people are those who call on Christ for their salvation. I have to keep it simple here. A nation of idiots, ruled by tyrants. Lod posted on 2008-08-25 21:34:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #8. To: christine, Rotara (#6) Thank you very much, christine! See my comment on LP on this subject as follows.24. To: upchuck4u, Blutarsky, Happy2BMe-OnLP (#18) I can find nothing in Old or New Testament that changed the status of Israel as God's chosen people. Define 'chosen' please, according to the Bible. Abraham was the father of many nations (not just the Arabs and Jews), and his blessing fell on all of them, according to Genesis: Genesis 10:32 [after the flood]These are the clans of Noah's sons, according to their lines of descent, within their nations. From these the nations spread out over the earth after the flood. See also: Genesis 12:3 [God to Abraham] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. And: Genesis 17:3-4 [God to Abraham]3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. In the New Testament, we have many, many discussions of false teachings involving the status of the Jews, but one of the most powerful texts is in the Gospel of Matthew: Matthew 21:42-5 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. On the subject of Jewish teachings in the Christian community, we find in the epistle to Titus: Titus 1:10-14 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Christians are also told that the earthly Jerusalem is in slavery: Galatians. 4:21-32 21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Look for the origins of Christian Zionism in references to the Scofield annotated bible, which was allegedly financed by Samuel Untermeyer. Untermeyer was a known Zionist Jew active in trying to swing Americans to the cause of "restoring" Israel. buckeye posted on 2008-08-28 23:12:42 ET Reply Trace buckeye posted on 2008-08-28 23:18:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #9. To: richard9151 (#8) Ping to you, also. There is much freedom for our fellow Americans in these passages. buckeye posted on 2008-08-28 23:24:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #10. To: buckeye (#8) But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Excellent reply, my friend. And, exactly correct. The real problem with people is that they can not see past this world, and concern themselves very needlessly with the non-sense of this world, rather than looking to the promises made to us by Jehovah and His Son. The last 9 months of Bible study have changed my view points rather dramatically. And that is what everyone needs if they are so interested in the garbage of this world; a change of view point. And that can only come from the Bible. When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness. richard9151 posted on 2008-08-29 10:16:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #11. To: richard9151, bush_is_a_moonie (#10) I'm not posting this from a religious perspective, just as a fellow American who sees others using other parts of the Bible as an excuse to place their loyalties abroad instead of with our own citizens. These texts show a different side, and hopefully more people will consider them much more carefully in the future. buckeye posted on 2008-08-29 17:56:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply #12. To: buckeye (#11) I'm not posting this from a religious perspective Perhaps not, but that does not change the nature of the message. Besides which, it has long been acknowledged that all law comes from religion, even if people do not admit or understand it. Which is why people proclaim 'faith' in this or that. When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness. richard9151 posted on 2008-08-29 18:14:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest
Looking around at some of the folks Rob was mentioning led me to this researcher. He's got some interesting material here about genetics and psychology. It gets political at times.
buckeye posted on 2008-08-24 21:40:56 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Purpose is not a scientifically valid idea, but I quite like MacDonald. Should be required reading, along with Jewish Supremacism. But I think Whittaker is right about the proper focus, and, from my point of view, Jared is right too. On the question of ethnicity, a related thing has been observed in birds in the last few years (e.g. many species thought previously to be closely related, like falcons and eagles, actually aren't, despite some phenotypic similarity in appearance and behavior. The similarities are the result of phenotypic convergent evolution, producing rough similarities from a different genetic basis.)
On the question of ethnicity, a related thing has been observed in birds in the last few years (e.g. many species thought previously to be closely related, like falcons and eagles, actually aren't, despite some phenotypic similarity in appearance and behavior. The similarities are the result of phenotypic convergent evolution, producing rough similarities from a different genetic basis.)
They say they are for "diversity". What they really are for is slavery.
Tauzero posted on 2008-08-24 22:21:04 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Purpose? Is this some concept MacDonald touts?
buckeye posted on 2008-08-24 22:22:46 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Much of psychology is riddled with it. ;) And admittedly it can be cumbersome to state things in proper scientific language (i.e. behaviorist.) The charge of self-deception, particularly, is speculation about an (invisible) internal state. Internal states are not necessary for a scientific description. Self-deception, potentially, could be verified with some sort of brain scan -- and then just becomes a name for a particular pattern of brain activity.
The charge of self-deception, particularly, is speculation about an (invisible) internal state. Internal states are not necessary for a scientific description.
Self-deception, potentially, could be verified with some sort of brain scan -- and then just becomes a name for a particular pattern of brain activity.
Tauzero posted on 2008-08-24 22:45:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
i have McDonald's Culture of Critique. his chapter on immigration is very interesting. the book is quite scholarly. not an easy read. i'll watch the video though. thanks for posting it.
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
christine posted on 2008-08-25 0:18:20 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Hesham interviews Texe Marrs: The Jews are not the Chosen People video.google.com/videopla...8862697147505194699 &hl=en
video.google.com/videopla...8862697147505194699 &hl=en
christine posted on 2008-08-25 1:18:58 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
After the resurrection, I believe that the 'chosen' people are those who call on Christ for their salvation. I have to keep it simple here.
I have to keep it simple here.
A nation of idiots, ruled by tyrants.
Lod posted on 2008-08-25 21:34:49 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Thank you very much, christine! See my comment on LP on this subject as follows.24. To: upchuck4u, Blutarsky, Happy2BMe-OnLP (#18) I can find nothing in Old or New Testament that changed the status of Israel as God's chosen people. Define 'chosen' please, according to the Bible. Abraham was the father of many nations (not just the Arabs and Jews), and his blessing fell on all of them, according to Genesis: Genesis 10:32 [after the flood]These are the clans of Noah's sons, according to their lines of descent, within their nations. From these the nations spread out over the earth after the flood. See also: Genesis 12:3 [God to Abraham] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. And: Genesis 17:3-4 [God to Abraham]3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. In the New Testament, we have many, many discussions of false teachings involving the status of the Jews, but one of the most powerful texts is in the Gospel of Matthew: Matthew 21:42-5 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them. On the subject of Jewish teachings in the Christian community, we find in the epistle to Titus: Titus 1:10-14 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. Christians are also told that the earthly Jerusalem is in slavery: Galatians. 4:21-32 21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free. Look for the origins of Christian Zionism in references to the Scofield annotated bible, which was allegedly financed by Samuel Untermeyer. Untermeyer was a known Zionist Jew active in trying to swing Americans to the cause of "restoring" Israel. buckeye posted on 2008-08-28 23:12:42 ET Reply Trace
I can find nothing in Old or New Testament that changed the status of Israel as God's chosen people.
Define 'chosen' please, according to the Bible. Abraham was the father of many nations (not just the Arabs and Jews), and his blessing fell on all of them, according to Genesis:
Genesis 10:32 [after the flood]These are the clans of Noah's sons, according to their lines of descent, within their nations. From these the nations spread out over the earth after the flood.
Genesis 12:3 [God to Abraham] And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.
Genesis 17:3-4 [God to Abraham]3 And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying, 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.
Matthew 21:42-5 42Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes? 43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
Titus 1:10-14 10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, the Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
Galatians. 4:21-32 21Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. 27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. 28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. 29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now. 30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman. 31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.
buckeye posted on 2008-08-28 23:12:42 ET Reply Trace
buckeye posted on 2008-08-28 23:18:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
Ping to you, also. There is much freedom for our fellow Americans in these passages.
buckeye posted on 2008-08-28 23:24:52 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. Excellent reply, my friend. And, exactly correct. The real problem with people is that they can not see past this world, and concern themselves very needlessly with the non-sense of this world, rather than looking to the promises made to us by Jehovah and His Son. The last 9 months of Bible study have changed my view points rather dramatically. And that is what everyone needs if they are so interested in the garbage of this world; a change of view point. And that can only come from the Bible.
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Excellent reply, my friend. And, exactly correct.
The real problem with people is that they can not see past this world, and concern themselves very needlessly with the non-sense of this world, rather than looking to the promises made to us by Jehovah and His Son.
The last 9 months of Bible study have changed my view points rather dramatically. And that is what everyone needs if they are so interested in the garbage of this world; a change of view point. And that can only come from the Bible.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
richard9151 posted on 2008-08-29 10:16:38 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I'm not posting this from a religious perspective, just as a fellow American who sees others using other parts of the Bible as an excuse to place their loyalties abroad instead of with our own citizens. These texts show a different side, and hopefully more people will consider them much more carefully in the future.
buckeye posted on 2008-08-29 17:56:13 ET Reply Trace Private Reply
I'm not posting this from a religious perspective Perhaps not, but that does not change the nature of the message. Besides which, it has long been acknowledged that all law comes from religion, even if people do not admit or understand it. Which is why people proclaim 'faith' in this or that.
I'm not posting this from a religious perspective
Perhaps not, but that does not change the nature of the message. Besides which, it has long been acknowledged that all law comes from religion, even if people do not admit or understand it. Which is why people proclaim 'faith' in this or that.
richard9151 posted on 2008-08-29 18:14:48 ET Reply Trace Private Reply