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Title: WHAT'S WITH THIS GUY?
Source: Life
URL Source: http://none
Published: Aug 27, 2008
Author: Me
Post Date: 2008-08-27 15:25:40 by iconoclast
Keywords: Division, Us vs Them, Healing
Views: 2244
Comments: 62

Ladies and gents, I feel the urge this afternoon to elaborate a bit on factors underlying my full throated, heart felt support of Barack Obama, so often scorned here. I fully realize it violates one of my favorite earthy propositions (Henry Ford II's "never apologize, never explain").

Let me first say that I fully understand a goodly amount of the revulsion at the prospect of a black President. Many of my fellow Americans and good friends have been turned off for decades by an irritating exposure to welfare queens, affirmative action, and the downward spiral of the black underclass. I feel your pain, sincerely. But if I may, and without condescension, I venture to suggest that many here are viewing the 21st century American racial scene "through a glass darkly".

Let me quickly add that I also appreciate that much of the revulsion arises from the leftist philosophy that taints all Democrats. And, I have two things to say about that. One, at least the Democrats remain true to their principles as contrasted to the abysmal abandonment of anything resembling conservatism by the Republicans. Second, and I grant you this is just my opinion, Obama is a decidedly moderate left-winger.

I have not come to my circa 2008 conclusions via any measure of "white guilt", a charge often made at me or about me in this forum. Also, I do not arrive at them based on some inflated impression of my own "insights". They are simply based on my own life experiences and my observation of American history.

First, the experiences. I was born, and have spent almost all my life, in what has become a middle America rust-belt city .... just forty years ago it was home base for five Fortune 500 companies. It now has one(?), zero (?) .. (it's not a fun thing to watch and keep score on). GWB and his minions certainly did not solely bring this about but, again IMHO, they quite possibly have applied the a death blow to the middle class and to American industry (never mind sovereignty, solvency, and worldwide respect). This morning's paper carried a list of the ten U.S. cities with lowest median household income. Yeppers, we made it.

My Dad was a UAW member, not a zealot, but one of the faceless mass that made up that association. The father of one of my best friends (Jim) in high school and college and was a Christian immigrant from Lebanon (I joked that my Dad immigrated from Tennessee). Jim's Dad and mine retired from the Chevy transmission plant in Toledo. We each got the importance of education lectured into us. Jim and I invested in a Christmas tree lot one year while we were in college. We both later started separate small businesses. He became a millionaire but died in a tragic auto accident out on Rt. 23. I emerged solvent but not wealthy from my twenty-year venture.

Jim went to Catholic schools, I to public. Our community has long been ethnic blue-collar.... Poles, Germans, Hungarians, Blacks, Mexicans, Arabs and Heinz 57 varieties like me. In grade school I developed a close friendship with a Black kid from two districts away. He occasionally came all the way over to my house to play backyard basketball. Later we went to high school and he played quarterback behind me. He was killed a couple years after high school. The more things change, the more they stay the same. In that same high school I had a few black classmates in my bookish classes (tracking was well established then) but i had a random sample of the population in homeroom. gym class, etc., so I got a broad exposure. Oh sure, I had some scrapes with black kids but never enough to shake me from my conviction that there are good folk and bad apples in every grouping or class of people.

In my adult years, as happenstance would have it, I made the acquaintance of a black guy in my golf league who later became my league partner (he's a lot of fun and a damned good golfer). An attorney, he also later represented me on several occasions. I have had black employees including managers and, late in my business career had the privilege of working under a an outstanding black executive .... one of the two best leaders I have personally encountered in my many working years. My kids had some black teachers, more good ones than bad (similar to the apocryphal little girl who, when she was good, was very, very good but when she was bad she was horrid ).

The history part? I attribute much of the long standing racial bad blood partly to historical circumstance (a divided nation for many decades). But it's at least equally attributable to well meaning(?) but not very intelligent politicians,

Number one, Lincoln. We are the only western nation on earth that resorted to a bloody internecine war to eliminate slavery. Skipping over the Klan and Jim Crow all the way to LBJ, the idiot (what is it about Texas pols?) that set integration back almost a hundred years and destroyed black family structure with his Great Society. This wonderful system of rewarding sloth and immorality brought a couple of previous decades of progress to a screeching halt and slowly but surely turned black communities into hellish social cesspools led by poverty pimps. This was followed by our long period of affirmative action that was encouraged by one party and abetted by the other. Thinking people of all hues recognize this nonsense as being as wrong-headed as other such schemes like forced housing integration and bussing to schools.

Well this turned out to be a bit of a wandering diatribe but may it provide a few clues (as opposed to rationalizations) as to my populist attitudes and my chosen screen name. At any rate, as a man once said, "that's my story (or a little part of it) and I'm stickin' to it".

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#6. To: iconoclast, Jethro Tull, Rupert_Pupkin (#0)

When I was about 5, I was riding in the car with my folks, and we stopped at the light next to a bus.

"Look! That bus driver is a woman!" I observed to my parents.

They were ever so silently pleased that I had not observed she was black.

The day care and kindergarten I attended was half-black. But it was a nice area. My father had a paper route through there -- this was back in the day when paperboys still carried money and collected money directly from customers.

My main teacher then was a black woman. What little I can remember about her, I remember fondly. She gave me back rubs at nap time. She called me "John John", as I reminded her of JFK.

Unfortunately, a clearer memory is of an older boy. He had some behavioral problems. My egalitarian teachers thought perhaps it would be a good idea to pair us up, that I might rub off on him. To my parents they suggested a play date, and they agreed. Once was enough for them.

But not for my teachers. They continued to force an association. Until one day he simply terrorized me. The encouragement was quietly dropped.

Still, then, the incident had no racial aspect for me.

Several years after kindergarten, there was a reunion of sorts of the parents of the center. My parents were not normal for this group, as they were still married (and still are today.)

Today, both the kindergarten and surrounding neighborhood are typical black hell-holes.

One day when I was four, my father received an odd phone call from my teacher. She was frantic.

"Your son can read! What do I do?"

"Let him read," replied my father.

And so I have.

Icon, your nice anecdote follows the same media blueprint for stories about some obscene incident of violence committed by blacks -- that yes, there are good blacks, smart blacks who deplore this behavior. What you leave unstated is the implied leap that the incident has nothing to do with race per se.

But it's a complete non-sequitur. Worse than that really. It is cant.

That's the real campaign slogan. "Yes we cant".

The races are different. Profoundly. And at least partly for biological reasons.

I will say this though: Given blacks' limitations -- and ours, since we're certainly never going to slaughter them or deport them -- I simply have no idea WHAT the hell to do with them, any more than my black teacher had any idea about what to do with me when she discovered I could read.

But whatever reasonable, ethical solution there may be, it will certainly never be based on cant.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-08-27   16:41:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Tauzero, Jethro Tull, Rupert_Pupkin (#6)

The races are different. Profoundly. And at least partly for biological reasons.

T, no disagreement from this quarter. But my initial reaction is "so what". I am decidedly "racist" or tribal if you will. In terms of intellect I would put Asians (as a group) at the top. I do not have enough knowledge or exposure to attempt break them down by regions but I'm pretty sure differences do exist. My next "acquainted-with group" would be Jews, followed perhaps by Germans, Brits, other northern Europeans, etc. (Hell, I'm sure all of us could compile their own "guessed-at" list) and yes, Blacks in general would rank quite low (but I have a hunch that there again there would me measurable differences between "tribes" or regions). In short, and again IMO, the biggest problem blacks have in mixed societies is that they carry their "difference" so obviously.

I simply have no idea WHAT the hell to do with them

My mouth simply dropped at this statement. I have no idea of it's implication. I would simply reply that "we ain't in Kansas Eden anymore, Dorothy".

I would, and not facetiously, suggest we start with and end with the golden rule. I am simply left mouth agape and I certainly hope you don't have some thought like identifying "bad" genes and eliminating people on such a basis. One thing for damn sure that we could do is work to (further) reduce government programs that encourage the procreation of the least fit.

That being said, I still don't know quite where you are going with this. I think it inarguable that it is immoral to pre-judge persons based merely on appearance or any other cursory criteria. I look forward to more exchange because I am honestly unclear on just what you are trying convey.

Finally, with respect to your final word being "cant", I can assure you my views are sincere and by no means intended to be or rooted in triteness, sentimentality, or piousness.

Regrettably we have an engagement tonight (I tend to forget them, but my wife never does) so I to have to get out of here. I wouldn't have posted this today had I remembered it the damned thing. I hope we can continue tomorrow.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-08-27   18:53:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: iconoclast (#10)

But my initial reaction is "so what"

The Wichita Massacre is what. Channon Christian and Chris Newsome are what.

"we ain't in Kansas Eden anymore, Dorothy".

Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill.

I mean three things.

1) I am fed up.

2) I am open to suggestions.

3) My choices are mine to make; the conscience I will be ruled by is my own.

I would, and not facetiously, suggest we start with and end with the golden rule.

Moral rules are typically justified by their teleological consequences. Their function is teleological; they exist because they promote adaptive social behavior.

The golden rule fails, however much we might like it to succeed.

The problem is not, alas, that blacks are immoral, or less pejoratively differently moraled, i.e. having a different set of rules they would like to see universalized. If two people have different values, but both have a very high regard for universalizing rules, they may be able to work together in good faith on a consistent synthesis. This, I think, is multiculturalism in the good sense.

An abysmal number of blacks are simply amoral. There is simply no lever to be grasped there besides their egoistic self-interest. Carrot and stick.

And this is at least partly biological.

I think it inarguable that it is immoral to pre-judge persons based merely on appearance or any other cursory criteria.

People sort and classify all the time. It is unavoidable. The question is whether it will be done correctly and which kinds of classification errors you are willing to tolerate. The question will be settled by how adaptive the rule is.

If a classification is based on experience, it is post-judice.

I would never judge a person based solely on appearance. But I might very well choose to merely avoid or exclude them on that or another basis.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-08-28   1:30:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Tauzero (#16)

First let me say that I find your comments thoughtful and concerned and I appreciate that.

The golden rule fails, however much we might like it to succeed.

At the risk of coming across as simplistic or naive,

I find it works when I try it.

I fear it has gone the way of responsible representative government and common sense for lack of application.

The problem is not, alas, that blacks are immoral, or less pejoratively differently moraled, i.e. having a different set of rules they would like to see universalized. If two people have different values, but both have a very high regard for universalizing rules, they may be able to work together in good faith on a consistent synthesis. This, I think, is multiculturalism in the good sense.

Well said.

And this is at least partly biological.

Certainly a tempting thought, (OTOH) the devil alcohol, temper, and combativeness may be due to the genes in those of us who are Irish. But again, don't go messin with my genes.

I would never judge a person based solely on appearance. But I might very well choose to merely avoid or exclude them on that or another basis.

Inarguable.

They say they are for "diversity". What they really are for is slavery.

I find that to be another puzzler. What color are "they", white or black?

Lastly, I offer the following for your consideration.

1) Blacks were dragged over here in chains from an uncivilized environment.

2) During the period of slavery and (a) for many decades following blacks were generally regarded and treated as sub or partially human. There reaction was to master shucking, jiving, damcing and laughing. That represented adapting to western civilization for them. (b) After emancipation a few were Christianized and educated yielding Booker T. Washington, George Washington Carver, Benjamin Banneker, Thomas Jennings, Dr. Daniel Hale Williams, Rebecca Cole ... and on and on.

Imagine, if you will, what our present day outcome might be had we widened path (b) and never followed super highway (a).

iconoclast  posted on  2008-08-28   13:11:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#21. To: iconoclast (#19) (Edited)

I find it works when I try it.

From a behaviorist perspective the distinction between "working together in good faith" via the golden rule vs. carrots and sticks is false, as verbal behavior is just another form of behavior.

It may well often work on an individual basis. But we aren't just individuals. It doesn't address the problem. I do care about the Wichita Massacre, and wish to avoid further instances.

Another problem with the rule is that in interacting with someone according to it, I might change them. Indeed, sometimes that may be the only reason for interacting with them. But I like my values, and don't particularly want them changed, and so, according to the rule, I should respect another person's wish not to be changed. If I do change them, and they later discover this, they may well get angry with me -- and I could hardly blame them.

But even if they acquiesce afterwards, they still might not have agreed had they first been informed of how they would change.

And with someone who is amoral, it is literally impossible to get informed consent on this point.

These are the kinds of reasons why the Federation has a Prime Directive. Brazil tries to practice something similar today with respect to the few remaining primitive tribes. But it is not an option available to us, since it has already been violated.

Certainly a tempting thought

The opposite is even more tempting to a man of conscience. (This should be obvious.)

(OTOH) the devil alcohol, temper, and combativeness may be due to the genes in those of us who are Irish.

Absolutely. And as an American of Irish descent myself I have absolutely no qualms about exploring that.

I find that to be another puzzler.

Diversity negates common grounds that could otherwise be relied upon without mention; articulated rules, typically laws, are erected to navigate the interfaces. Diversity destroys trust. The state fills the vacuum. The resulting laws have all the epistemological problems of other laws.

Diversity is the other Road to Serfdom. (No pun intended.)

Imagine, if you will, what our present day outcome might be had we widened path (b)

That might have been nice.

The problem I pose to you is this: Suppose I am right. What should I do?

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