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Mary – Mother of God? Luke 1:31-35; “You are to conceive and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High … The child will be holy and will be called Son of God.” Heb. 2:14, 17; “Since all the children share the same blood and flesh, he (Jesus) too shared equally in it … It was essential that he should in this way become completely like his brothers.” BUT… would he have been completely like his brothers if he had been a God-man? The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: “Mary is truly the mother of God if two conditions are fulfilled: that she is really the mother of Jesus and that Jesus is really God.” John 14:28; “… that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.” John 5:19; Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.” John 5:30; “I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.” In the fourth century, long after the writing of the Bible was completed, the Church formulated its statement of the Trinity. (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 295) At that time in the Nicene Creed the Church spoke of Jesus Christ as “very God. After that, at the Council of Ephesus in 431 C.E., Mary was proclaimed by the Church to be The-o-to’kos, meaning “God-bearer” or “Mother of God.” However neither that expression nor the idea is found in the text of any translation of the Bible. (If you have questions about the Trinity, please ask.) Was Mary always a virgin? Matt. 13:53-56; "When Jesus had finished these parables he left the district; and, coming to his home town, he taught the people in their synagogue in such a way that they were astonished and said, 'Where did the man get this wisdom and these miraculous powers? This is the carpenter's son, surely? Is not his mother the woman called Mary, and his brothers (Greek, a-del-phoi) James and Joseph and Simon and Jude? His sisters (Greek, a-del-phai'), too, are they not all here with us?'" On the basis of this text, would you conclude that Jesus was Mary's only child or that she other sons as well as daughters? The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, Vol. IX, p. 337) admits regarding the Greek words a-del-phoi’ and a-del-phai’, used at Matthew 13:55, 56, that these “have the meaning of full blood brother and sister in the Greek-speaking world of the Evangelist’s time and would naturally be taken by his Greek reader in this sense. Toward the end of the 4th century (c. 380) Helvidius in a work now lost pressed this fact in order to attribute to Mary other children besides Jesus so as to make her a model for mothers of larger families. St. Jerome, motivated by the Church’s traditional faith in Mary’s perpetual virginity, wrote a tract against Helvidius (A.D. 383) in which he developed an explanation … that is still in vogue among Catholic scholars.” Mark 3:31-35; “His mother and brothers now arrived and, standing outside, sent in a message asking for him. A crowd was sitting round him at the time the message was passed to him, ‘Your mother and brothers and sisters are outside asking for you’. He replied, ‘Who are my mother and my brothers?’ And looking round at those sitting in a circle about him, he said, ‘Here are my mother and my brothers. Anyone who does the will of God, that person is my brother and sister and mother.’” Here a clear distinction is drawn between Jesus’ natural brothers and his spiritual brothers, his disciples. No one claims that the reference to Jesus’ mother means anything different from what it says. Is it consistent, then, to reason that his natural brothers were not that but were perhaps cousins? When what is meant is not brothers but relatives, a different Greek word (syn-genon’) is used, as at Luke 21:16. So, was Mary herself immaculately conceived, free from original sin when her mother conceived her? The New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, Vol. VII, pp. 378-381) acknowledges regarding the origin of the belief: “… Immaculate Conception is not taught explicitly in Scripture ... The earliest Church Fathers regarded Mary as holy but not as absolutely sinless … It is impossible to give a precise date when the belief was held as a matter of faith, but by the 8th or 9th century it seems to have been generally admitted … (In 1854 Pope Pius IX defined the dogma) ‘which holds that the most Blessed Virgin Mary was preserved from all stain of original sin in the first instant of her conception.’” This belief was confirmed by Vatican II (New York, 1962-1965). – The Documents of Vatican II (New York, 1996), edited by W. M. Abbott, S.J., p. 88. Rom. 5:12; “Well, then, sin entered the world through one man (Adam), and through sin death, and thus death has spread through the whole human race because everyone has sinned.” Does that include Mary? The Bible reports that in accord with the requirement of the Mosaic Law, 40 days after Jesus’ birth Mary offered at the temple in Jerusalem a sin offering for purification from uncleanness. She, too, had inherited sin and imperfection from Adam. – Luke 2:22-24; Lev. 12:1-8. (Please read Lev. First.) Did Mary ascend to heaven with her body of flesh? In commenting on the proclamation made by Pope Pius XII in 1950 that made this dogma an official article of Catholic faith, the New Catholic Encyclopedia (1967, Vol. I, p. 972) states: “There is no explicit reference to the Assumption in the bible, yet the Pope insists in the decree of proclamation that the Scriptures are the ultimate foundation of this truth.” The Bible itself says: 1 Cor. 15:50; “Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God: and the perishable cannot inherit what lasts for ever.” Jesus said that “God is spirit.” At Jesus’ resurrection he again became spirit, now “a life-giving spirit.” The angels are spirits. (John 4:24; 1 Cor. 15:45; Heb. 1:13, 14). Where is the Scriptural basis for saying that anyone would attain to heavenly life in a body that requires the physical surroundings of the earth to sustain it? Is it proper to address prayers to Mary as intercessor? Jesus Christ said: “You should pray like this: ‘Our Father in heaven … ‘” He also said: “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one can come to the Father except through me. … If you ask for anything in my name, I will do it.” -- Matt. 6:9; John 14:6, 14. 1 Tim. 2:5, 6; For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus, who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all – this is what is to be witnessed to at its own particular times. (I would strongly urge that everyone read all of 1 Tim. 2 for better understanding.) Is the veneration of images of Mary in harmony with Bible Christianity? The practice was definitely encouraged by Vatican II (1962-1965). “This most holy Synod … admonishes all the sons of the Church that the cult, especially the liturgical cult, of the Blessed Virgin, be generously fostered. It charges that practices and exercises of devotion toward her be treasured as recommended by the teaching authority of the Church in the course of centuries, and that those decrees issued in earlier times regarding the veneration of images of Christ, the Blessed Virgin, and the saints, be religiously observed.” – The Documents of Vatican II, pp. 94,95. Ex. 20:4, 5; “You shall not make yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything in heaven or on earth beneath or in the waters under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them. For I, Yahweh your God, am a jealous God.” See also, Lev. 26:1; 2 Cor. 6:16, 1 John 5: 21. And, for further understanding, see also, John 4:23, 24; 2 Cor. 5:7; Isa. 40:18; Acts 17:29; Isa. 42:8. Was Mary specially honored in the first-century Christian congregation? The apostle Peter makes no mention of her at all in his inspired writings. The apostle Paul did not use her name in his inspired letters but spoke of her only as “a woman.” – Gal. 4:4. What are the historical origins of the adoration of Mary? Says Catholic priest Andrew Greeley: “Mary is one of the most powerful religious symbols in the history of the Western world … The Mary symbol links Christianity directly to the ancient religions of mother goddesses.” – The Making of the Popes (U.S.A., 1979), p. 227. Most of all, you can accord the worship of Mary with tradition. Concerning those who put their traditions ahead of the Scriptures, Jesus said: “Hypocrites! It was you Isaiah meant when he so rightly prophesied: This people honors me only with lip-service, while their hearts are far from me. The worship they offer me is worthless; the doctrines they teach are only human regulations.” -- Matt. 15:7-9. 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Luke 1:31-35; “You are to conceive and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High … The child will be holy and will be called Son of God.” Heb. 2:14, 17; “Since all the children share the same blood and flesh, he (Jesus) too shared equally in it … It was essential that he should in this way become completely like his brothers.” BUT… would he have been completely like his brothers if he had been a God-man? What version is this? http://www.blueletterbible.org/c...2&verse=17&version=KJV#17 That interpretation conflicts with what came before it: Hbr 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Hbr/Hbr002.html#9 I think the better interpretation is that simply, He was made flesh and blood like His brethren for a purpose: Hbr 2:16 For verily he took not on [him the nature of] angels; but he took on [him] the seed of Abraham. Hbr 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto [his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things [pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Hbr 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted. Mary – Mother of God? Luke 1:31-35; “You are to conceive and bear a son, and you must name him Jesus. He will be great and will be called Son of the Most High … The child will be holy and will be called Son of God.” Heb. 2:14, 17; “Since all the children share the same blood and flesh, he (Jesus) too shared equally in it … It was essential that he should in this way become completely like his brothers.” BUT… would he have been completely like his brothers if he had been a God-man? The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: “Mary is truly the mother of God if two conditions are fulfilled: that she is really the mother of Jesus and that Jesus is really God.” John 14:28; “… that I am going my way to the Father, because the Father is greater than I am.” John 5:19; Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.” John 5:30; “I cannot do a single thing of my own initiative, just as I hear, I judge; and the judgment that I render is righteous, because I seek, not my own will, but the will of him that sent me.” I saw this thread after I posted a reply to the one over here: Thank Jehovah’s Witnesses for Speech Freedoms http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...?ArtNum=85900&Disp=31#C31 I see the purpose now. To deny the divinity of Christ,contrary to what the Bible says. Now, who would do that? 1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that [spirit] of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Jo/1Jo004.html#3 1Jo 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1Jo 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also]. 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. http://www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/1Jo/4/3.html (If you have questions about the Trinity, please ask.) IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE TRINITY, PLEASE SEE HERE: "WHY WE BELIEVE IN ONE GOD AND REJECT THE TRINITY THEORY It was the Trinity Doctrine that has brought much controversy and confusion to the world. When it was introduced to the Church of Alexandria in Egypt, it brought about the great Arian controversy in which thousands gave their lives rather than accept this doctrine. Keep in mind that the Bible declares that "For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints." 1 Cor. 14:33. Fighting, confusion, and killing is not Gods way of converting people to believe in a Biblical doctrine. However; this is what early Trinitarian advocates did. "The day was to come when the Nicene (Trinitarian) party won out completely and then the emperors, who wished to prevent any more quarrels, decreed that one who denied the Trinity should be put to death. This law was later to be used against the Unitarians (or One God, Oneness people). At the earlier time; however, the bishops were horrified that truth (or the Trinity) should be defended by the shedding of blood." (or murder). Also, in the laws written and compiled by Emperor Justinian (called the code of Justinian) we find that the practice of murdering all non-Trinitarians continued well past A.D. 550. "The code says that any who refuse to believe in the Trinity and any who repeat baptism shall be put to death." The Church of our Fathers by R. H.. Bainton page 46, and 63. Think of it, a little helpless six year old girl could be beaten by Knights, and Clergymen and put to a brutal death simply because she was not a Trinitarian! Many modern day Trinitarians would be shocked of their Trinity Doctrine's true origin and history. The Bible says "Thou shalt not kill." EX 20:13, the spirit of the Early Trinitarian founders and forefathers is not of Christ. This site had provided the book "Foxes Book of Martyrs" for you to verify the martyrs of Christ. You will observe how the Popes of Rome persecuted any and all Oneness believers who stood fast to the One God faith: Foxes Book of Martyrs - by John Fox (or Foxe) - 1563 The Early Church of the Bible knew nothing of a Trinity Doctrine. The very term "Trinity" or the teaching of it as a Christian doctrine did not start until 180 A.D. This is almost 150 years after the Church, under the new covenant, started in A.D. 33 on the day of Pentecost. One can search the Acts of the Apostles in the Bible which is the true History of the early Church thoroughly and not find any of the Apostles teaching the Trinity. We find some very enlightening historical statements in the Catholic Encyclopedia under "Trinity". "In Scripture there is no single term by which the Divine Persons of a Trinity are denoted together. The word TPIAS (of which the Latin word TRINITAS) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180." Note the following: "The writers of this school contend that the doctrine of the Trinity, as professed by the (CATHOLIC) Church, is not contained in the New Testament, but that it was first formulated in the Second Century and received final approbation in the Fourth, as the result of the Arian and Macedoian controversies." The Encyclopedia Americana (1956), Vol. XXVII, Page 294L states that "Christianity derived from Judaism and Judaism was (and still is) strictly Unitarian. (oneness). The road which led from Jerusalem to Nicea was scarcely a straight one. Fourth century Trinitarianism did not reflect accurately, early (Original Bible) Christian teaching regarding the nature of God. Rather, it was a deviation from this teaching." The early original Apostolic Church of the Bible believed in only one God. The Trinity Doctrine was a latter man-made theory. It came into existence because the Latin and Greek Philosophers and Politicians rejected the Hebrew Scriptures and strict Monotheistic Doctrine of the Bible. Many Latin and Greek peoples were still influenced greatly by their old Pagan Theology of polytheism. This is why many who defend the Trinity Theory quote the teachings and philosophies of men like Theophilus, Saint Augustine, Tertullian, Saint Cyprian, The Pope, Plato, and many more because most scholars realize that the Trinity is a Doctrine of Tradition of men and not a Truth of the Bible. (see Matt. 15:1-9, Mark 7:9, Col. 2:8-9, 2 Pet. 2:1, 1 Tim 4:1-3, 2 Tim. 4:2-4). This is also why many uninspired (See I Pet. 1:20-21, 2 Tim. 3:15-17) writings and man-made Creeds have been written. God help anyone who will tamper with the Scriptures or write their own such as the Apocrypha, the Apostles Creed, the Nicene Creed, the Athanasian Creed, the Didache and other many will follow men and their Creeds and not Christ and his Word. The Encyclopedia Britannica (1976), Page 241 states that: "Biblical Basis-neither the word "Trinity" nor the explicit doctrine as such appears at any one place in the Bible; the ecclesiastical dogma is an effort to unit in one confession all the several strains of biblical description of God. Fundamental to that description in both the Old and the New is the monotheistic credo summarized in the Shema of Deut. 6:4 "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." Neither Jesus nor his early followers intended anything they said about their new revelation to contradict that credo." The early Christians spoke to Jesus and about him in titles and put him above the merely human; they ascribed to him powers and works that transcended the natural realm; they sang to him "as God," as their Roman enemies reported (see Jesus Christ)." Emperor Constantine helped to establish the Trinity Doctrine firmly as the only legal state doctrine of the Empire and the Catholic Church. A man that murdered his own wife and son and had many real one God Christians killed forced this doctrine on the entire Empire. This man was one of many murderers who took seat at the Council of Nicea in A.D. 325. The Trinity Doctrine's true foundation was laid at this meeting. Then it became the man-made Creed of the Catholic Church. However, the real identity of our Lord is Jesus. There is only one God who came in the human form of the name Jesus Messiah. "God is Spirit" John 4:24, He is "the Holy One" Isa. 40:25. The only one true God has manifest himself in different ways. (No. 1)As the invisible Father-King and Creator of the universe. (No. 2) In the visible bodily form of Christ while he walked among humanity on Earth. (No. 3) as the Holy Spirit the indwelling power and presence of God in a born again believer after the ascension of Christ on the day of Pentecost. God has manifest himself in different ways; however, He is only one Divine Entity, or one supreme spirit. There is one God who has revealed himself in a variety of ways. God who is a Holy Spirit does not co-exist with a Christ but rather He takes on flesh in Christ. The Bible asserts that God was revealed in the physical body or image of the Lord Jesus Christ. See 2 Cor. 5:19, 2 Cor. 4:4,6, Heb 1:3, Col. 1:15, 19, Col. 2:8-9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Rom. 9:5, Tit. 2:13, Eph. 4:4-6, Isa. 9:6, Isa. 7:14, Matt. 1:23, John 1:1,3,10,14, John 8:23-24, 57-59, John 10:30-33, John 12:44-45, John 14:6-9, John 20:28, Acts 7:59, Acts 20:28, Jude 1:25, Rev. 1:8, Matt. 25:31, Isa. 6:1, Rev. 4:2, Rev. 19:4, Rev. 20:11, Rev. 7:15-17, Zec. 14:9. "The greatest revelation of God; however, comes through the Bible. Through the inspired written record, both the existence of God and nature of God are revealed in and through Jesus Christ. Jesus stated, "He that has seen me, has seen the father" (John 14:9)" - Nelsons New Illustrated Bible Dictionary, By Ronald F. Youngblood, 1995, page 501 under God. The Holy Bible is a text that is inspired of God and a text of only one God. God moved upon men to write down His will and Word. Although the Bible is made up of some sixty-six different books covering thousands of years of history its teachings on the Godhead are consistent, that God is only one. Monotheism is the Biblical belief in only one God. This is clearly the true doctrine of the real Holy Scriptures. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me." Ex. 20:3. "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD." - Deut. 6:4. "Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I even I, am the LORD: and beside me there is no Saviour." - Isa. 43:10-11. "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble"-James 2:19. "33;there is none other God but one." -1 Cor. 8:4 The Trinity must be read into the Sacred Text, placed there by erogenous typology, or simply one must take the Scriptures out of context. The man-made Trinity Doctrine is not substantiated by the Holy Scriptures. This is why many modern day Trinitarian Theologians and Ministers reject the King James Version of the Scriptures and prefer the new modern liberal altered versions of the Bible. They will often tell people that the newer versions are more correct, and easier to understand. In reality these altered texts change many doctrines of the Bible, and deny the Deity of Christ. Many do not realize that some of the so called scholars who helped to write these altered texts are homosexuals, lesbians, and people who don't even believe in the virgin birth of Christ. So many have for so long of a time taught the Trinity as fact, that many don't realize that it is a false theory. If one will study the Real Bible with an open mind they will find out for themselves that there is no Trinity or persons in the Godhead but rather that there is only one Sovereign God. You will not find the terms or words Trinity, Trinitarian, Triune, or the expression "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost" in the Bible anywhere. Nor will one find where any one was ever baptized into the Trinitarian titles in the New Testament. This is why the Roman Catholic Church outlawed commoners from reading the Bible. No common Person was allowed to read, study, or possess one. Any one who was caught having Bible would be put to death. There was no freedom of choice the priest of Rome would tell the people what they should believe. The leaders of the Catholic Church knew that the real Bible did not agree with their false teachings and their Trinity Theory. They also feared that they would lose their influence and power over the masses if the people found out the truth. Could it be possible that the Bible once again will be outlawed? Then will a New Age, Anti-Christ, apostate, text be forced upon the World? I am sure that if this happens that this new text will teach the Trinity Theory like other altered text. However, these writings and creeds are still not the true Word of God. Because of these and many more historical and Biblical facts we must believe in only one true God. The opinion of man means nothing what matters is what the true Word of God has to say. His Word teaches that He alone is God and that there is none other God but Him therefore we reject the man-made theory of the Trinity. If you would like to read a continued Study on the Trinity, its evolution, evaluation, and history, please visit the following sites: The Two Babylons - Ancient and Today - by the late Alexander Hislop "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else: I am God, and there is none like me," - God. Isa. 46:9. Go To Study Section II http://www.thunderministries.com/history/triad/onlyone.html [HEAR O ISRAEL, THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE GOD] http://www.thunderministries.com/Messianic/MessianicP.htm Chapter 4. JESUS IS GOD "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily" (Colossians 2:9). The fact that Jesus is God is as firmly established in Scripture as the fact that God is one. The Bible teaches that Jesus is fully God and fully man. In this chapter we will discuss the former; in Chapter 5 - THE SON OF GOD the latter. In the next few sections we will present and discuss scriptural proofs that Jesus is God, numbering them for the reader's convenience. The Old Testament Testifies That Jesus Is God 1. Isaiah 9:6 is one of the most powerful proofs that Jesus is God: "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father The Prince of Peace." The terms child and son refer to the Incarnation or manifestation of "The mighty God" and "The everlasting Father." ......" http://ourworld.compuserve.com/h...s/pentecostal/One-Ch4.htm =========================== Over 300 Prophecies Jesus fulfilled. Amazing! Over 300 prophecies foretold the coming of the Jewish Messiah. 109 of these, only Jesus could have fulfilled. http://bibleprobe.com/300great.htm Messianic Prophecies [Fulfilled in Jesus](WebBible Encyclopedia) - ChristianAnswers.Net ... http://www.christiananswers.net/.../messianicprophecies.html Tenakh/Hebrew Scriptures Prophecies Fulfilled by Jesus Christ, Messiah ALL of these prophesies were made hundreds, sometimes thousands, of years before Jesus Christ was born. ... http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/messiah.htm John 5:19; Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: “Most truly I say to you, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.” 1Cr 15:20 ¶ But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept. 1Cr 15:21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead. 1Cr 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 1Cr 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 1Cr 15:24 Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 1Cr 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 1Cr 15:26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 1Cr 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under [him, it is] manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. 1Cr 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. http://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/1Cr/1Cr015.html#28 ======================= In the fourth century, long after the writing of the Bible was completed, the Church formulated its statement of the Trinity. (New Catholic Encyclopedia, 1967, Vol. XIV, p. 295) At that time in the Nicene Creed the Church spoke of Jesus Christ as “very God. After that, at the Council of Ephesus in 431 C.E., Mary was proclaimed by the Church to be The-o-to’kos, meaning “God-bearer” or “Mother of God.” However neither that expression nor the idea is found in the text of any translation of the Bible. The Catholic church putting forth this false dogma, in order to cast doubt on the true church, is itself a creation of antichrist Judaism. "The Church", meaning the Catholic church, is not the same as saying God's "the church". MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT. CATHOLIC OR JEWISH? And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, ... http://watch.pair.com/mystery-babylon.html Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat007.html#15 2Cr 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 2Cr 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him]. Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
What are you talking about? NO ONE denys the divinity of Christ. They, and I, deny the trinity, as a teaching of man. And, as the Bible clearly spells out, Jesus is not Almighty God. He is the Word, and He is Mighty God, but He is not the equal of His Father. And, that is what Jesus says.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
wrong thread. x-ref. freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/re...?ArtNum=85900&Disp=39#C39 "...as long as there..remain active enemies of the Christian church, we may hope to become Master of the World...the future Jewish King will never reign in the world before Christianity is overthrown - B'nai B'rith speech http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/luther.htm / http://bible.cc/psalms/83-4.htm
Holy=Sanctified=Set Apart..it does not mean "glorified." Mary worhip=idol worship. Although Trinity is not used in the Bible, what of John 1:1 and all of the other references to the 3 part God as synonyms? What of the Holy Spirit coming down after the Ascension? Is this particular point an important one to be harping over? Or killing over?
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx Exactly right. what of John 1:1 and all of the other references to the 3 part God as synonyms? What of the Holy Spirit Indie, this is why it is so neccessary to study the Bible and not accept the word of organized religion on ANY subject. John 1:1; In (the) beginning the Word was and the Word was with God and the Word was a god. 2; This one was in (the) beginning with God. 3; All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence. Read that carefully, Indie, and pay attention to the capitalization. This clearly shows that there are two separate beings, but to understand it, you must be aware that Jesus Christ is called the Word in the beginning, and the Word is what Almighty God used to do creation. To understand why the Word was a god, you need to understand Theos, which is the root of god and judge (same root = similiar meanings). Jesus is the judge of the earth, as well as the creator of the earth, but he is a god and NOT Almighty God. I went over that pretty well in the other post about the Jehovah's Witnesses. As to the Holy Spirit, that is an active force that Almighty God uses, but it is NOT a separate being; it does the will/work of Jehovah. I hope this makes things clearer.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
I wanted to answer this separately. Nothing in the Bible is to be killed over, Indie. That is why Jesus did not order the angels to come to his defence, nor did he permit the apostles to defend him, although they were armed. There is a very simple point here, that most people simply do not grasp. This point is the basis of baptizism as well; it is called freely accepting the lordship of Jesus Christ, and choosing to live in a manner pleasing to him and to Almighty God; Jehovah (I am going to do a post on His Devine Name sometime in the next couple of days as time permits). If you study how Jesus spoke with people, you will learn that he converted no one; he reasoned with them, and permitted them to chose. No one can be forced to chose to serve Jehovah; THEY MUST FREELY CHOSE. When you understand that, you will understand how far out of line is organized religion with their ties to governments and their support for wars. (This is also one of the major things that separate the Jehovah's Witnesses from organized religion; they convert no one. One must freely chose to join with them, AND, you have to do the studies and be approved first. Quite different!) I have always wondered how the Catholics of one nation showed their love for their brothers when they were fighting in a war and killing other Catholics. Course, the same is true for any of the organized religion; none of them is different. As far as harping over, it is a pretty important point. It is clear in the Bible that those that do not know and worship Jehovah and His Son CORRECTLY WILL NOT receive the promise made to the meek to be resurrected and inhabit the earth for all time. By the way, do not be confused about the word meek, as it does not mean what most think it does.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest. ++++++++++ Attention, Shrub; A life of evil is ultimately a life of wretchedness.
Bibliography: Constantine the Great - by David J. Olson
Trinitarianism: Definition and History - by Pastor David K. Bernard
Trinitarianism: An Evaluation - by Pastor David K. Bernard
The Office of the Pope - Edited by Pastor Daniel Wellman
Index of Oneness Articles - by M. F. Blume
The Virgin Birth of Jesus Christ"
#2. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#1)
To deny the divinity of Christ
#3. To: richard9151 (#2)
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edit.
#4. To: richard9151, alltheking'shorseswontdoit (#0)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#5. To: IndieTX (#4)
Mary worhip=idol worship.
#6. To: IndieTX (#4)
Is this particular point an important one to be harping over? Or killing over?
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