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Title: Sarah Palin Says She Open To Teaching Creationism In Public Schools (says teach both)
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URL Source: http://www.boston.com/news/local/ar ... th/2008/08/sarah_palin_on.html
Published: Aug 29, 2008
Author: Michael Paulsen
Post Date: 2008-08-29 20:47:10 by christine
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John McCain's vice-presidential pick, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, is an evangelical Protestant with a strong record of opposition to abortion and an openness to teaching creationism in the public schools. Palin is the mother of five children, one of whom was born with Down Syndrome. She learned that her son had Down Syndrome when she was four months pregnant, and she told the Associated Press in May that she never considered ending the pregnancy. "We've both been very vocal about being pro-life," she said in the AP interview. "We understand that every innocent life has wonderful potential." Palin also said of her son, whose name is Trig Paxon Van Palin, "I'm looking at him right now, and I see perfection. Yeah, he has an extra chromosome. I keep thinking, in our world, what is normal and what is perfect?" In October of 2006, the Anchorage Daily News described Palin's positions on social issues in a lengthy profile: "A significant part of Palin's base of support lies among social and Christian conservatives. Her positions on social issues emerged slowly during the campaign: on abortion (should be banned for anything other than saving the life of the mother), stem cell research (opposed), physician-assisted suicide (opposed), creationism (should be discussed in schools), state health benefits for same-sex partners (opposed, and supports a constitutional amendment to bar them)." And earlier that year, the Anchorage Daily News reported that Palin said the following about creationism at a debate: "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information....Healthy debate is so important and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both. And you know, I say this too as the daughter of a science teacher. Growing up with being so privileged and blessed to be given a lot of information on, on both sides of the subject -- creationism and evolution. It's been a healthy foundation for me. But don't be afraid of information and let kids debate both sides." Palin identifies herself as a Christian; she headed her high school's Fellowship of Christian Athletes. Here's a bit more detail on her faith life from the Anchorage Daily News: "Palin's parents say they are not political and don't know how she decided to turn her ambition and work ethic toward politics. Her Christian faith, they say, came from her mother, who took her children to area Bible churches as they were growing up (Sarah is the third of four siblings). They say her faith has been steady since high school, when she led the Fellowship of Christian Athletes, and grew stronger as she sought out believers in her college years. Palin doesn't brandish her religion on the campaign trail, but that doesn't prevent others from doing so. After she was first elected mayor, her predecessor, John Stein, objected that a Valley cable TV program had hailed her as Wasilla's first 'Christian mayor.' In a column for the local newspaper, he named eight previous mayors and added that he, too, was a Christian, despite a name that led some voters to suspect 'I must be a non-Christian, have non-Christian blood or at least have sympathized with a non-Christian sometime in my career.'"
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#1. To: christine (#0)
That locks up the fundie vote.
She has a full time responsibility with that special needs kid. Being on the campaign trail with the likes of McCain hardly makes for responsible parenting.
i'm sure she has had a full time nanny just for her job as governor. i wonder if hubby is a Mr Mom as well. welcome to 4um, mininggold.
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By all means, teach both. Creationism takes 15 seconds and one sentence.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
heh ;)
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" That actual person then should accept her parental responsibility and tend to the needs of her child, not that of the campaign trail. Why are you guys in Alaska so happy to lose such a great gov? Especailly to a non job like VP. "
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here's something about Palin that might interest you. she kept her baby in a sling while serving as governor so that she could breast feed him. Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
Good for her.
Babies? Her youngest is 4 months - the famous Downs Child...next is 7 years. Spare me the photo op. Here's something about Palin you may not know. She's been governor of Alaska for 1 year, eight months. Before, she was a chairwoman on a commission. In 2002 she was mayor of a town of less than 10,000. Ask yourself how did she get to be governor of Alaska in the republican party. She espouses kinship with Ron Paul when Ron Paul isn't allowed to particiapte in the Republican Party.
Phony is as phony does. She's a "Ron Paul independent" who talks like William Kristol. If she were half-sincere, the first thing she'd do is ask Mad Mac and the RNC to let Ron Paul be a keynote speaker at the convention. But she won't, will she? It will be all neoconservatism all the time. She should have stayed a commissioner in her town of ten thousand.
Creationism takes 15 seconds and one sentence. If you want to teach Creationism, be fair about equal time. Why give special privilege to the creation myth of the Jews? Why not give "equal time" to the creation myths of Vikings, Ancient Greeks, Hindus, Buddhists, Navajo Indians, etc? If you reject the scientific account of how the universe and life began and want to throw all of modern cosmology, geology, and biology out the window, then all of these alternatives are equally good working hypotheses. I demand equal time for Ragnarok! If you're going to teach myths and fairy tales in science class, why stop at the myths and fairy tales of 3000 year old Middle Eastern goatherds? Teach 1001 Nights in history classes while you're at it.
If you're going to teach myths and fairy tales in science class, why stop at the myths and fairy tales of 3000 year old Middle Eastern goatherds? Teach 1001 Nights in history classes while you're at it. The one point of view rejected by both sides in the argument is that both can be true at the same time. That is where Intelligent Design comes in and flusters both. The Atheistic Darwinists reject it because it does not conform to their mythology and the Fundies reject it because it does not conform to theirs. Despite the attempts of the Atheistic "S(k)eptic crowd to assert Materialism as the only acceptable answer the data does not support them. Just as evidence for the work of evolution can be adduced but is not sufficient to explain all of the observed data.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I'm open to the possibility of the divine or supernatural in the creation of the universe or even life. I just don't think that a literal reading of three thousand year old Israeli myths is going to teach you very much about it. Certainly not any more than you'd learn from the myths of Vikings, Greeks, Hindus, or American Indians. I've always believed that the best way to know the mind of God is by understanding the laws of the universe. There's more divinity in the work of Galileo, Newton, Maxwell, and Einstein than in all the myths and fairy tales of the Middle East.
oops. screw up. should have been singular baby. i posted the photo to mininggold because he/she questioned her responsible parenting. there was no motive of pushing Palin on my part. still, we can give credit where credit is due. i'm with you on this: Ask yourself how did she get to be governor of Alaska in the republican party. She espouses kinship with Ron Paul when Ron Paul isn't allowed to participate in the Republican Party. she's made a deal with the devil in my view. there's no doubt she's a part of the evil system. she would not have been tapped otherwise.
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I didn't specify *which* Creation theory to teach. That's because there is only one. It covers all of them and it takes about 15 seconds and one sentence to deliver. "There are those people who believe in a supreme being or supreme beings who created the earth and all the creatures who inhabit it." "Now moving on to science..."
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
That is a lie. Ron Paul participated in the Puke party.
Ron Paul had a lot more votes and support than Giuliani. Guess which one of them will get to give a keynote speech at the convention?
That is in the past. There is no "scientific method to test the past. However if you take into account the people who were there and look at what they said. It is pretty convincing. The people who WERE THERE said there was a worldwide flood. They said it covered the entire earth. Now this is where the science comes in. If true what would you expect to find. Answer: billions of dead things buried im mud laid down by water all over the earth. That is in fact what you find. The evilutionist propagandist god haters will literally grasp as straws to try and avoid being held accountable to God. They will make up stories and all kinds of bullshit. They made up this thing that creatures will mutate into other creatures and become different life forms. The only problem with this theory is it doesn't happen in real life. Not one example of it ever happening. The creation model is much more scientific and makes a whole lot more sense. It is sad that you put on welding glasses when you looked for proof.
Not necessarily true. Perhaps they plan on just using her for a photo op and letting her be a weak figurehead. It may not turn out the way "they" want.
Quit lying please.
Someone waving a magic wand is not a "scientific" explanation for anything. The people who WERE THERE said there was a worldwide flood. They said it covered the entire earth. Now this is where the science comes in. If true what would you expect to find. Answer: billions of dead things buried im mud laid down by water all over the earth. So why do the lowest sediments only contain microbes, the sediments above thos invertebrates but no vertebrates, those above that only fish but no higher forms, while the youngest sediments have mammals? You'd think that if there was only one flood 6000 years ago, you'd find dinosaurs, trilobites, and people in the same sediments. But don't let reason get in the way of Biblical dogma. If you want to use a book of Jewish myths as a science textbook, have at it. Just like if somebody wants to worship Odin or the Navajo sky God, that's their business. But whose views belong in a science classroom: chemists who tell us that heavy potassium and uranium have a half life in the hundreds of millions of years, or Bible thumpers who tell me that world is 5000 years old? What belongs in a physics class, the work astronomers and physicists who measure redshift in the universe and background radiation, or the myths of Middle Eastern goat herders? The people who WERE THERE said there was a worldwide flood Homer tells us that there are Cyclopses in caves off the coast of Greece. Should I go looking for Cyclopses because an ancient Greek says so in his myths and legends? That's the reasoning that Bible thumpers use: they assume that their book of myths is historical record and scientific truth, and procede from there.
First off that isn't correct. It is only generally correct. The reason that it is generally correct is that the smallest life forms would be swept away first. Why aren't there any meteors or comets found in the layers? Take another look at creationism my friend. If your close to Cincinnatti visit the creation museum with an open mind. Then get back to me.
What came first the chicken or the egg? Oh and grass. How did it evolve? One blade at a time?
Many former evilutionists have become creationists by looking at the facts. Gary Parker for example. It is sad that you are brainwashed by people because they have fancy titles and white suits. Sad indeed.
Find me some sediments identified as Precambrian or Cambrian that contain fossil mammals, and I'll take creationist "geology" seriously.
I think you'll find that most Creationist won't agree to that. It's not just that they want creation taught in the place of evolution, it's that they want THEIR creation myth and chronology (or rather, the one they've borrowed from the Jews) to be given special status in the science class. Again, if you want to teach the Book of Genesis, why no equal time for Ragnarok? Surely there are some pagan Scandinavians around who might object.
I don't particularly care what they will or will not agree to. It is what they are going to get. As for Viking Pagan religions, Palin already has this covered. I found a cool photo: "A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Seriously. It takes about 15 seconds to teach Creationism because there is no science behind it. If God himself were to appear and show us how he did it, it might take a little longer, but until then, its about 15 seconds.
"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!
Science is about finding out the truth and is ever changing based on new insights and data not previously known. BTW dude, the world is 6000 years old, get it right.
God is always good!
I think that the figure I saw from some creationist site that used Bishop Ussher's chronology said 5760 years old. So if you round up, yeah, it's 6000. Science is about finding out the truth and is ever changing based on new insights and data not previously known. Right. That's why I accept that independent evidence from chemistry (radioisotopes), astronomy (red shift), physics (background cosmic radiation) and geology tells us that the universe is billions of years old. If some people want to believe that 99.9% of chemists, physicicsts, biologists, and geologists are involved in a grand conspiracy to convince people that the world is older than the Biblical chronology, that's your business. I think it's a bit far fetched.
teaching creationism
#2. To: christine (#0)
Palin is the mother of five children, one of whom was born with Down Syndrome. She learned that her son had Down Syndrome when she was four months pregnant, and she told the Associated Press in May that she never considered ending the pregnancy. "We've both been very vocal about being pro-life," she said in the AP interview. "We understand that every innocent life has wonderful potential."
#3. To: mininggold (#2)
Being on the campaign trail with the likes of McCain hardly makes for responsible parenting.
#4. To: christine (#0)
#5. To: mirage (#4)
Creationism takes 15 seconds and one sentence.
#6. To: mininggold (#2)
#7. To: christine, *libertarians* (#0)
#8. To: mininggold (#2)
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#9. To: christine (#8)
here's something about Palin that might interest you. she kept her babies in a sling while serving as governor so that she could breast feed them!
#10. To: christine (#8)
here's something about Palin that might interest you.
#11. To: angle (#10)
(Edited)
Ask yourself how did she get to be governor of Alaska in the republican party. She espouses kinship with Ron Paul when Ron Paul isn't allowed to particiapte in the Republican Party.
#12. To: mirage, angle (#4)
(Edited)
By all means, teach both.
#13. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#12)
Why give special privelege to the creation myth of the Jews? Why not give "equal time" to the creation myths of Vikings, Ancient Greeks, Hindus, Buddhists, Navajo Indians, etc? If you reject the scientific account of how the universe and life began, then all of the alternatives are equally good working hypotheses.
#14. To: Original_Intent (#13)
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#15. To: angle (#10)
Babies?
#16. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#12)
If you're going to teach myths and fairy tales in science class, why stop at the myths and fairy tales of 3000 year old Middle Eastern goatherds?
#17. To: angle (#10)
Paul isn't allowed to particiapte in the Republican Party.
#18. To: Old Friend, angle (#17)
#19. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#12)
If you reject the scientific account of how the universe and life began
#20. To: christine (#15)
she's made a deal with the devil in my view. there's no doubt she's a part of the evil system. she would not have been tapped otherwise.
#21. To: mirage (#16)
That's because there is only one. It covers all of them and it takes about 15 seconds and one sentence to deliver.
#22. To: Old Friend (#19)
(Edited)
The creation model is much more scientific and makes a whole lot more sense. It is sad that you put on welding glasses when you looked for proof.
#23. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#22)
So why do the lowest sediments only contain microbes, the sediments above thos invertebrates but no vertebrates, those above that only fish but no higher forms, while the youngest sediments have mammals?
#24. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#22)
#25. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#22)
But whose views belong in a science classroom: chemists who tell us that heavy potassium and uranium have a half life in the hundreds of millions of years, or Bible thumpers who tell me that world is 5000 years old? What belongs in a physics class, the work astronomers and physicists who measure redshift in the universe and background radiation, or the myths of Middle Eastern goat herders?
#26. To: Old Friend (#23)
#27. To: mirage (#16)
That's because there is only one. It covers all of them and it takes about 15 seconds and one sentence to deliver.
#28. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#27)
(Edited)
I think you'll find that most Creationist won't agree to that.
#29. To: Old Friend (#21)
Quit lying please.
#30. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#22)
But whose views belong in a science classroom: chemists who tell us that heavy potassium and uranium have a half life in the hundreds of millions of years, or Bible thumpers who tell me that world is 5000 years old? What belongs in a physics class, the work astronomers and physicists who measure redshift in the universe and background radiation, or the myths of Middle Eastern goat herders?
#31. To: RickyJ (#30)
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BTW dude, the world is 6000 years old, get it right.
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