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Title: Zogby Poll: Equilibrium in the POTUS Race!
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Zogby
URL Source: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1547
Published: Aug 30, 2008
Author: Zogby
Post Date: 2008-08-30 22:21:42 by Horse
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Views: 1087
Comments: 74
Brash McCain pick of AK Gov. Palin neutralizes historic Obama speech, stunts the Dems' convention bounce UTICA, New York - Republican John McCain's surprise announcement Friday of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate - some 16 hours after Democrat Barack Obama's historic speech accepting his party’s presidential nomination - has possibly stunted any Obama convention bump, the latest Zogby Interactive flash poll of the race shows. The latest nationwide survey, begun Friday afternoon after the McCain announcement of Palin as running mate and completed mid-afternoon today, shows McCain/Palin at 47%, compared to 45% support for Obama/Biden. In other words, the race is a dead heat. The interactive online Zogby survey shows that both Obama and McCain have solidified the support among their own parties - Obama won 86% support of Democrats and McCain 89% of Republicans in a two-way head-to-head poll question not including the running mates. When Biden and Palin are added to the mix, Obama's Democratic support remains at 86%, while McCain's increases to 92%. After the McCain "Veep" announcement on Friday, Palin was almost immediately hailed as a strong conservative, and those voters have rallied to the GOP ticket, the survey shows. Republicans gather in St. Paul, Minnesota this week to officially nominate McCain and Palin as their presidential ticket. Overall, 52% said the selection of Palin as the GOP vice presidential nominee helps the Republican ticket, compared to 29% who said it hurt. Another 10% said it made no difference, while 10% were unsure. Among independent voters, 52% said it helps, while 26% said it would hurt. Among women, 48% said it would help, while 29% said it would hurt the GOP ticket. Among Republicans, the choice was a big hit - as 87% said it would help, and just 3% said it would hurt. Pollster John Zogby: "Palin is not to be underestimated. Her real strength is that she is authentic, a real mom, an outdoors person, a small town mayor (hey, she has dealt with a small town city council - that alone could be preparation for staring down Vladimir Putin, right?). She is also a reformer." "A very important demographic in this election is going to be the politically independent woman, 15% of whom in our latest survey are undecided." "In the final analysis, this election will be about Obama vs. McCain. Obama has staked out ground as the new JFK - a new generation, literally and figuratively, a new face of America to the world, a man who can cross lines and work with both sides. But McCain is the modern day Harry Truman - with lots of DC experience, he knows what is wrong and dysfunctional with Washington and how to fix it, and he has chosen a running mate who is about as far away from Washington as he could find. "This contest is likely to be very close until the weekend before the election - then the dam may break and support may flood one way or the other." The interactive survey shows that 22% of those voters who supported Democrat Hillary Clinton in their primary elections or caucus earlier this year are now supporting John McCain. Among those who said they shop regularly at Wal-Mart - a demographic group that Zogby has found to be both "value" and "values" voters - Obama is getting walloped by McCain. Winning 62% support from weekly Wal-Mart shoppers, McCain wins these voters at a rate similar to what President Bush won in 2004. Obama wins 24% support from these voters. Other demographic details are fairly predictable, showing that the McCain/Palin ticket heads into its convention on Monday with numbers that may fuel an optimism they may not have expected, and that many would not have predicted, especially after Obama's speech Thursday night.
Poster Comment: If McCain fell down a well, I would vote for her. Palin has more administrative experience than McCain, Biden and Obama. Pailin has more business experience than than McCain, Biden and Obama. Palin has more experience fighting corruption in her own party than Obama. She did so as Oil and Gas Commissioner and as Governor. Obama had a chance to support an anti-corruption reform ticket in 2006 and chose to support the machine instead.
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#1. To: Horse (#0)
What's this strong desire to vote? It's not like it's mattered in our lifetimes. How many times do we have to be fooled, abused, and mistreated for our efforts to choose the lesser of any number of evils?
Palin has more administrative experience than McCain, Biden and Obama. Pailin has more business experience than than McCain, Biden and Obama. Palin has more experience fighting corruption in her own party than Obama. She did so as Oil and Gas Commissioner and as Governor. Obama had a chance to support an anti-corruption reform ticket in 2006 and chose to support the machine instead. Well said. Some of we 'seasoned citizens' would like, for once in our lifetime to vote for a real person for this lofty office.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
Palin appears to be the ONLY light in a very dark race. I can't stomach John McCain, Barach Obama, or Joe Biden because they're all self-centered political prostitutes. Carrying 5 children to delivery is anything but self-centeredness.
"Every effort has been made by the Federal Reserve Board to conceal its power but the truth is the Federal Reserve Board has usurped the Government of the United States." "Mr. Chairman, the people of the United States did not perceive that a world system was being set up here that the United States was to be lowered to the position of a coolie country. . and was to supply financial power to an international superstate -- a superstate controlled by international bankers and international industrialists acting together to enslave the World for their own pleasure."
I agree, they are all puppets and if they start ignoring their orders they wind up dead. So knowing that I am voting for McCain/Palin because I would rather see her on TV than Joe Biden. :) I know, my vote doesn't count anyway.
God is always good!
One of the many things that I like about her, is the fact that she is not a media creation to further the NWO agenda. I still have no clue why McKook, or his controllers, selected her, but I'm very, very glad that they did.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
She is real alright. No lizard blood at all in her. :)
God is always good!
Yeah - we should all remember that fact. Downer.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
I want to know what FF thinks.
It's true Lod, Edmond Dantès you are not.
That could be a valid reason. I mean Biden would probably give us a headache. Everyone running around with headaches would cause a recession.
I'm just thinking about McCain during the 2006 and 2007 rushes to give amnesty out to 30 million illegals. You can just see him coming back to that topic with gusto in 2009. First agenda.
Go sit in a conifer and snort the cones, Mike, if that's all that you can bring to a discussion of the candidates.
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Yeah but Obama will too. And seeing Biden on TV will give me a headache. Then I wont be able to go to work. So I would rather have something pleasant to look at. That way I wont get a headache. Maybe I can even hire a Mexican to do my job. Then we can split it or something. ;)
Ferret supports Obama because he looks like a ferret.
Better yet, fall out of one.
I don't know why... Mike's supporting two corrupt losers, while many of us will support one corrupt loser (with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel) and apparently an honest, decent running mate.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
The futures markets so far are saying McCain has had a bounce, but not NEARLY as much as this.
“There’s less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with,” -- Joe Biden, Oct. 25 2007
Here's my question? Why the fuck does anyone care about Palin? She's a trophy conservative who will have no voice in a McStain Administration. The idiots on TOS2 who swore up and down they would never vote for McStain are now jizzing all over themselves and swearing their fealty to McStain as if Jesus Christ just annointed him King conservative. As if anything's actually changed. Unfriggin' believeable how easy people can be manipulated. She'll be relegated to attending the funerals of third world dignitaries. The good thing for her though is that she will have plenty of time to take care of her down syndrome child while still being on the government tit.
"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." ~ William Colby, Director, CIA 1973–1976
Thanks for the snarl, I take no offense at it with skin as thick as mine is in these forums. It is nice to see some passion from you, as well as a not very logical reason for supporting John McCain as you are giving to vote for him. Really, it is amazing how a pretty carrot from Alaska on a stick can get old voters to pull the cart United States home to the insane 72 year old successor to Bush's policies and legacy to finish off what they started when they did the false flag operations on 9 11 and started this perpetual war. Vote for the witty pretty, but is is a mirage and you are buying a bill of goods. I spent a long agonizing time before deciding to vote Democrat this year, and perhaps I am as wrong in my choice as I know you are in yours'. But if that is so, I am going to have to be responsible for my error in judgment should I have made one in making my vote in November? Hey Lod, I respect your decision where to park your vote, but I will always reserve to give you my two and a half cents worth on your choice just as people have pulled no punches with me telling me why they think I am wrong in being excited about Barack Obama's candidacy.
I don't know what NALEO is, but McKook sucks on immigration and border closure - and his state is being killed with illegals. Totally amazing. Of course, if you're not really clear on exactly how many homes you own, I guess that it's understandable. The current crop of nitwits in deecee are so totally insulated from the reality of American life that it's pathetic. We, the people, have one voice in 'our' congress. Another beam me up moment.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
At least you see you are voting for an insane, temperamental moron. McCain early on was obvious in his disdain toward Obama sizing him up as too young and easy going. He obviously feels the swift boat tactics and negative campaigning is something he can't handle. I look at this general prejudice McCain has toward a forty something and realize he can't feel much different about this woman who is slightly younger then Barack Obama. He is not looking at her as a peer and someone who can add weight to helping to run an administration if he won. He coldly looks at the gender factor and how her religious status can enthuse the fundie crowd that still generally hates and mistrusts him. At best this is a crazy gamble that most voters are too smart to buy. Sorry you are one of the pert of the demographic taken in by this gambit.
{{{applause}}} ROCK THE NO VOTE
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Rock it HARD.
Why did Thomas Jefferson support a republic?
“There’s less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with,” -- Joe Biden, Oct. 25 2007
Ferrets look like ferrets, and humans like humans. And I expect immature baiting from you because the form and substance of your logic and belief system you display in forum always indicates doing that is never far from your mind. So if your goal is to annoy me, you failed. But thanks for sharing anyway.
Probably have to see what the polls say, assuming they really are polls, after the novelty wears off. But it doesn't matter. America is toast no matter who or what wins, and it sure seems Obama's foreign policy is now pretty similar to Cain's. Write in Ron Paul.
Thanks for a reasoned response. I have no passion for this election, or three fourths of the candidates. I'll just dial in my electronic vote, which may or may not be counted correctly, and go on with what I'm doing every day. HAVA has done in most all our accurate vote count.
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Heh, and beam up moments always get my taste buds craving for some of that good, blue and illegal Romulan Ale. (I always like Star Trek metaphor.) ;-)
bottom line is you are endorsing mcCain and you are also giving the PTB another vote to cheat with..and doing this in the hope that mcCain dies quickly? the son of a bitch will probably outlive you. further, you can't have forgotten that palin wouldn't be there if she hadn't been approved and vetted by the controllers. i have to tell you that i'm disappointed and hope you reconsider this.
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I guess for the same reason he believed that we should have a bloody revolution every twenty years - he understood the corruption that power brings with it.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
Yes, I'm taking the over on his early, and most welcome, demise.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
I don't think it matters who you vote for. At least not for Pres. I think electing local leaders is more important anyway. If we start at the base we may have a chance of changing things. Local races and propositions make voting important still.
Thanks, FF. Can always count on you for a measured response.
McKook is goofy enough to defy his handlers - Senator Songbird is nuts. Again, I have no freaking clue as to why SP was selected, but my vote will be for her. If I bother to vote.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
Cynics are never optimistic nor pessimistic. Rather we are usually reality grounded with experience. I would hope you would be correct about changing things, but I know different.
That's one. But the framers certainly knew the people are not the wisest repository for power. They are the safest. They will not knowingly betray their own interests. So what is the default behavior when the candidates are very much like each other on policy, or, equivalently, the cost of policy knowledge is high for the electorate? People vote for people most like themselves. This is exactly how a republic is supposed to function. Corollary: Big government is demagogic government.
“There’s less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with,” -- Joe Biden, Oct. 25 2007
As a Christian I believe in the eventuality of a one world government. That won't stop me from fighting it though.
Wow, thanks.
Again, I have no freaking clue as to why SP was selected, but my vote will be for her. If I bother to vote. I agree. His selection of Sara Palin for VP IMO was a surprise for the elite. She wasn't even on their radar screen. The press are never fooled that bad, never. They always kind of know who it will be becasue the people they work for have a hand in saying who it will be. If McCain is "nutty" enough to pick Sara he might just be "nutty" enough to tell the elite to go F themselves. I like Sara a lot and will be voting for McCain/Palin as of now. In a way this is kind of like a mini-victory with McCain choosing her. If he chose Lieberman that would be very depressing. But we defintely have some good news here and that doesn't happen too often in main stream politics so I am going to celebrate this small victory. McCain might not be so much of a stooge for the elite that we thought he was. :)
God is always good!
BTW, I'm fairly sure Jefferson had a suspicion about this outcome, thus his push for an amendment authorizing the federal government to assist in education. So much for that idea. As can be deduced from Jefferson's own words, the state has not very much incentive to educate; the will to power will supersede, in the long run, all other considerations. Hoppe is right.
“There’s less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with,” -- Joe Biden, Oct. 25 2007
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#2. To: Horse (#0)
If McCain fell down a well, I would vote for her.
#3. To: Horse (#0)
#4. To: buckeye (#1)
(Edited)
What's this strong desire to vote? It's not like it's mattered in our lifetimes. How many times do we have to be fooled, abused, and mistreated for our efforts to choose the lesser of any number of evils?
#5. To: noone222. SP fans (#3)
#6. To: lodwick (#2)
Some of we 'seasoned citizens' would like, for once in our lifetime to vote for a real person for this lofty office.
#7. To: RickyJ (#4)
I know, my vote doesn't count anyway.
#8. To: RickyJ, farmfriend (#4)
#9. To: lodwick (#5)
"I still have no clue why McKook, or his controllers, selected her, but I'm very, very glad that they did."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#10. To: RickyJ (#4)
So knowing that I am voting for McCain/Palin because I would rather see her on TV than Joe Biden. :)
#11. To: Old Friend (#10)
#12. To: Ferret Mike (#9)
It's true Lod, Edmond Dantès you are not.
#13. To: buckeye (#11)
#14. To: lodwick (#12)
#15. To: lodwick (#12)
Go sit in a conifer
#16. To: Old Friend (#14)
Ferret supports Obama because he looks like a ferret.
#17. To: lodwick, Old Friend (#16)
#18. To: Horse (#0)
#19. To: Horse (#0)
#20. To: lodwick (#12)
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#21. To: buckeye (#17)
#22. To: lodwick (#16)
"Mike's supporting two corrupt losers, while many of us will support one corrupt loser (with one foot in the grave and the other on a banana peel) and apparently an honest, decent running mate."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#23. To: Hayek Fan, buckeye, Rupert_Pupkin, Everybody (#19)
Here's my question? Why the fuck does anyone care about Palin? She's a trophy conservative who will have no voice in a McStain Administration. The idiots on TOS2 who swore up and down they would never vote for McStain are now jizzing all over themselves and swearing their fealty to McStain as if Jesus Christ just annointed him King conservative. As if anything's actually changed. Unfriggin' believeable how easy people can be manipulated.
#24. To: christine (#23)
#25. To: christine (#23)
As if anything's actually changed. Unfriggin' believeable how easy people can be manipulated.
#26. To: Old Friend (#14)
"Ferret supports Obama because he looks like a ferret."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#27. To: Horse (#0)
#28. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
#29. To: lodwick (#21)
"Another beam me up moment."
"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn
#30. To: lodwick (#21)
#31. To: Tauzero (#25)
Why did Thomas Jefferson support a republic?
#32. To: Ferret Mike (#22)
At least you see you are voting for an insane, temperamental moron.
#33. To: buckeye, RickyJ (#8)
I agree, they are all puppets and if they start ignoring their orders they wind up dead. So knowing that I am voting for McCain/Palin because I would rather see her on TV than Joe Biden. :) I know, my vote doesn't count anyway.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#34. To: farmfriend (#33)
#35. To: christine (#30)
further, you can't have forgotten that palin wouldn't be there if she hadn't been approved and vetted by the controllers. i have to tell you that i'm disappointed and hope you reconsider this.
#36. To: farmfriend (#33)
If we start at the base we may have a chance of changing things. Local races and propositions make voting important still.
#37. To: lodwick (#31)
#38. To: Cynicom (#36)
I would hope you would be correct about changing things, but I know different.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#39. To: buckeye (#34)
Thanks, FF. Can always count on you for a measured response.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#40. To: lodwick (#35)
(Edited)
McKook is goofy enough to defy his handlers - Senator Songbird is nuts.
#41. To: lodwick (#31)
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