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Title: Zogby Poll: Equilibrium in the POTUS Race!
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URL Source: http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1547
Published: Aug 30, 2008
Author: Zogby
Post Date: 2008-08-30 22:21:42 by Horse
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Brash McCain pick of AK Gov. Palin neutralizes historic Obama speech, stunts the Dems' convention bounce UTICA, New York - Republican John McCain's surprise announcement Friday of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as his running mate - some 16 hours after Democrat Barack Obama's historic speech accepting his party’s presidential nomination - has possibly stunted any Obama convention bump, the latest Zogby Interactive flash poll of the race shows. The latest nationwide survey, begun Friday afternoon after the McCain announcement of Palin as running mate and completed mid-afternoon today, shows McCain/Palin at 47%, compared to 45% support for Obama/Biden. In other words, the race is a dead heat. The interactive online Zogby survey shows that both Obama and McCain have solidified the support among their own parties - Obama won 86% support of Democrats and McCain 89% of Republicans in a two-way head-to-head poll question not including the running mates. When Biden and Palin are added to the mix, Obama's Democratic support remains at 86%, while McCain's increases to 92%. After the McCain "Veep" announcement on Friday, Palin was almost immediately hailed as a strong conservative, and those voters have rallied to the GOP ticket, the survey shows. Republicans gather in St. Paul, Minnesota this week to officially nominate McCain and Palin as their presidential ticket. Overall, 52% said the selection of Palin as the GOP vice presidential nominee helps the Republican ticket, compared to 29% who said it hurt. Another 10% said it made no difference, while 10% were unsure. Among independent voters, 52% said it helps, while 26% said it would hurt. Among women, 48% said it would help, while 29% said it would hurt the GOP ticket. Among Republicans, the choice was a big hit - as 87% said it would help, and just 3% said it would hurt. Pollster John Zogby: "Palin is not to be underestimated. Her real strength is that she is authentic, a real mom, an outdoors person, a small town mayor (hey, she has dealt with a small town city council - that alone could be preparation for staring down Vladimir Putin, right?). She is also a reformer." "A very important demographic in this election is going to be the politically independent woman, 15% of whom in our latest survey are undecided." "In the final analysis, this election will be about Obama vs. McCain. Obama has staked out ground as the new JFK - a new generation, literally and figuratively, a new face of America to the world, a man who can cross lines and work with both sides. But McCain is the modern day Harry Truman - with lots of DC experience, he knows what is wrong and dysfunctional with Washington and how to fix it, and he has chosen a running mate who is about as far away from Washington as he could find. "This contest is likely to be very close until the weekend before the election - then the dam may break and support may flood one way or the other." The interactive survey shows that 22% of those voters who supported Democrat Hillary Clinton in their primary elections or caucus earlier this year are now supporting John McCain. Among those who said they shop regularly at Wal-Mart - a demographic group that Zogby has found to be both "value" and "values" voters - Obama is getting walloped by McCain. Winning 62% support from weekly Wal-Mart shoppers, McCain wins these voters at a rate similar to what President Bush won in 2004. Obama wins 24% support from these voters. Other demographic details are fairly predictable, showing that the McCain/Palin ticket heads into its convention on Monday with numbers that may fuel an optimism they may not have expected, and that many would not have predicted, especially after Obama's speech Thursday night.
Poster Comment: If McCain fell down a well, I would vote for her. Palin has more administrative experience than McCain, Biden and Obama. Pailin has more business experience than than McCain, Biden and Obama. Palin has more experience fighting corruption in her own party than Obama. She did so as Oil and Gas Commissioner and as Governor. Obama had a chance to support an anti-corruption reform ticket in 2006 and chose to support the machine instead.
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#35. To: christine (#30)
McKook is goofy enough to defy his handlers - Senator Songbird is nuts. Again, I have no freaking clue as to why SP was selected, but my vote will be for her. If I bother to vote.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
Cynics are never optimistic nor pessimistic. Rather we are usually reality grounded with experience. I would hope you would be correct about changing things, but I know different.
That's one. But the framers certainly knew the people are not the wisest repository for power. They are the safest. They will not knowingly betray their own interests. So what is the default behavior when the candidates are very much like each other on policy, or, equivalently, the cost of policy knowledge is high for the electorate? People vote for people most like themselves. This is exactly how a republic is supposed to function. Corollary: Big government is demagogic government.
“There’s less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with,” -- Joe Biden, Oct. 25 2007
As a Christian I believe in the eventuality of a one world government. That won't stop me from fighting it though.
Wow, thanks.
Again, I have no freaking clue as to why SP was selected, but my vote will be for her. If I bother to vote. I agree. His selection of Sara Palin for VP IMO was a surprise for the elite. She wasn't even on their radar screen. The press are never fooled that bad, never. They always kind of know who it will be becasue the people they work for have a hand in saying who it will be. If McCain is "nutty" enough to pick Sara he might just be "nutty" enough to tell the elite to go F themselves. I like Sara a lot and will be voting for McCain/Palin as of now. In a way this is kind of like a mini-victory with McCain choosing her. If he chose Lieberman that would be very depressing. But we defintely have some good news here and that doesn't happen too often in main stream politics so I am going to celebrate this small victory. McCain might not be so much of a stooge for the elite that we thought he was. :)
God is always good!
BTW, I'm fairly sure Jefferson had a suspicion about this outcome, thus his push for an amendment authorizing the federal government to assist in education. So much for that idea. As can be deduced from Jefferson's own words, the state has not very much incentive to educate; the will to power will supersede, in the long run, all other considerations. Hoppe is right.
“There’s less than 1 percent of the population of Iowa that is African American. There is probably less than 4 or 5 percent that are minorities. What is in Washington? So look, it goes back to what you start off with, what you’re dealing with,” -- Joe Biden, Oct. 25 2007
There is only one question I have, if Pailin is such a "conservative and libertarian", how can she hitch her self to McCain? It seems to me that she really tossed her "principled" libertarian views quickly out the window.
Mark If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
I think Newt Gingrich had some imput on this choice. The PTB had her on their list. CNBC had an interview with her a couple weeks ago just by "chance".
Mark If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
The reaction wasn't so rosy elsewhere. State Senate President Lyda Green said she thought it was a joke when someone called her at 6 a.m. to give her the news. "She's not prepared to be governor. How can she be prepared to be vice president or president?" said Green, a Republican from Palin's hometown of Wasilla. "Look at what she's done to this state. What would she do to the nation?" ADVERTISEMENT Green, who has feuded with Palin repeatedly over the past two years, brought up the big oil tax increase Palin pushed through last year. She also pointed to the award of a $500 million state subsidy to a Canadian firm to pursue a natural gas pipeline that is far from guaranteed. Democrats helped give Palin her victories on oil taxes and the natural gas pipeline deal, over the opposition of many of Palin's fellow Republicans in the Legislature. But Anchorage Democratic state Sen. Hollis French said it's a huge mistake by McCain and "reflects very, very badly on his judgment." French said Palin's experience running the state for less than two years hasn't prepared her for this. Alaska Democratic Party chairwoman Patti Higgins, attending her party's national convention in Denver, said she was shocked to hear the news this morning. "In this very competitive election for them to go pick somebody who is ... under a cloud of suspicion, who is under investigation for abuse of power. It just sounds like a pretty slow start to me," Higgins said. The state Legislature is investigating whether Palin and her staff broke state law by pressuring the public safety department to fire a state trooper who was in a custody battle with her sister. "We need a vice president who can step in if, God forbid, something happened to John McCain," Higgins said. "I don't think she's someone who is ready for that 3 a.m. phone call."
Mark If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
At least you admit that you could be wrong about Obama. I respect that.
Just a very mild joke.
I liked the episode where they were on some planet. They were getting sprayed with those little plants. And Spock was in a tree playing a harp.
It seems to me that she really tossed her "principled" libertarian views quickly out the window. Mark If by some miracle McCain picked you to be his running mate. Would you accept it?
there was only one email of the several he read that was a positive to response to the Palin pick. President _b_m_ would you like to pick a vowel?
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
It seems to me that she really tossed her "principled" libertarian views quickly out the window. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't forget she was in the local media and already playing the game before she first held office as Mayor of Wassila. You don't stay on the air unless learn what is "acceptable" to say and believe and what is not. Despite her alleged fundie leanings there are elements here which do not, as yet, add up. There is missing data. I can infer its absence but as of yet have not been able to deduce what it is. Other that being a "Beauty Queen" I am wondering if there is something in the background that might "illuminate" matters.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
No fucking way.
Mark If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower
'Anyone' in Ecuador familiar with this area of the country? Christine...check this out...here's that '4um island' everyone used to talk about. I'm leaving tomorrow.
Beautiful locale - thanks.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
You have to admit...that beats Texas. :-)
Yeah, CenTex is pretty much toast right now, and it doesn't look like Gustav is going to give us any relief.
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
Do I see a rowboat tied up to your dock in the back yard????
If the water gets here, it will be an epic flood that would exceed Biblical proportions. There would be no more Austin, which might not be an entirely bad thing...
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
i hope it centers over the capitol building....
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
wasn't she just a sports announcer?
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
i don't see a hair salon! ;)
Do You Know What Freedom Really Means? Freedom4um.com
A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.
I am dreaming but she did meet McCain in person. He has had cancer in the past. Maybe she made a diagnostic prediction that she would be our first woman President within 2 years. McCain turned 72. What is the life expectancy of a 72 year-old male cancer survivor with a high stress job?
The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie
It's just a replay of the 2000 election. Don't you remember all the conservatives who talked about how much they hated Bush, how they'd either not vote at all or vote Buchanan, Libertarian, etc, and then, by October, Dumbya suddenly became transformed from moronic neocon tool to a Messiah who would "bring back decency and honor to the White House?" Now we have the same exact thing with "lesser evil" McCain, but with some MILF eye candy thrown in. If that's all it takes, America deserves the human garbage that it gets for elected officials.
Biden or Obama would look foolish holding this gun. She looks like a natural. I bet she can shoot better then them too.
Now you've convinced me! I'm voting McCain now! What a great reason to vote for somebody - because his running mate looks good posing with a gun! I've also heard that Dick Cheney's pretty handy with a shotgun.
She takes on her own party corruption.
Again, I have no freaking clue as to why SP was selected, but my vote will be for her. You remind me of the guys who buy Bud Lite just because Bud runs commercials with sexy girls in bikinis. Budweiser can run all the eye candy commercials it likes, it doesn't change the fact that their beer tastes like pisswater. Mad Mac can choose any running mate he likes, it doesn't change the fact that he's political pisswater.
Business opportunity...
Hey...at least will get some 'MILF eye candy' on our way down the drain. I'd rather be checking out Palin rather than Graham or Lieberman on my way out the door... :-)
Budweiser is ok. Bud light tastes watered down. I don't drink to much beer but when I do I drink Bud Ice, because it works faster. Or Budweiser. I haven't tried all those expensive brands. Maybe they do taste better though.
Vilcabamba is most famous for the longevity of the people that live there. It's not uncommon to see 90+ year old men chopping wood with axes and plowing fields They often live well over 100 in reasonably good health until one morning comes and they just don't wake up. Although outsiders who move into the area don't seem to acquire these traits. Reserved only for those native to it or perhaps born there. No one seems to have an answer yet, though mineral rich soil for crops is one theory. At least that's the reputation of the place. Not been there myself, though I was in Loja last year, which is about 30 minutes from Vilcabamba. Loja's a city by Ecuador standards -- a fairly large town by US standards. Nice place. Probably about 4000 foot altitude which gives pleasant climate on the Equator. And they do have hair salons. But not a big enough city for my woman, so we didn't move there.
So was that the only 'down side'? :-)
For me, pretty much. My main reason for moving to Quito has pretty much dried up. It's a good place, all considered, but the pollution is a bit heavy (it's nothing by US city standards, but Quito is in a valley) and constant watchfulness about crime is a pain, though I've never had any encounters. Cuenca, Ecuador's 3rd largest city at some 500K population is much better on both those fronts. I wouldn't mind living there. Those photos of Vilcabamba definitely look attractive. I should add that one very good think about high altitude Quito is the lack of mosquitos. At lower altitudes they can be not just a pain but... this is the tropical region and there are diseases one can get. Still, even those type illnesses are sufficiently rare such that it's not a deal killer.
Appreciate all the info...thanks!
further, you can't have forgotten that palin wouldn't be there if she hadn't been approved and vetted by the controllers. i have to tell you that i'm disappointed and hope you reconsider this.
#36. To: farmfriend (#33)
If we start at the base we may have a chance of changing things. Local races and propositions make voting important still.
#37. To: lodwick (#31)
#38. To: Cynicom (#36)
I would hope you would be correct about changing things, but I know different.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#39. To: buckeye (#34)
Thanks, FF. Can always count on you for a measured response.
"You have delusions of adequacy."
#40. To: lodwick (#35)
(Edited)
McKook is goofy enough to defy his handlers - Senator Songbird is nuts.
#41. To: lodwick (#31)
#42. To: Horse (#0)
(Edited)
#43. To: christine (#30)
(Edited)
palin wouldn't be there if she hadn't been approved and vetted by the controllers.
#44. To: All (#43)
www.adn.com/news/politics/story/510249.html
#45. To: Ferret Mike (#20)
But if that is so, I am going to have to be responsible for my error in judgment should I have made one in making my vote in November? Hey Lod, I respect your decision where to park your vote, but I will always reserve to give you my two and a half cents worth on your choice just as people have pulled no punches with me telling me why they think I am wrong in being excited about Barack Obama's candidacy.
#46. To: Ferret Mike (#26)
So if your goal is to annoy me, you failed.
#47. To: Ferret Mike (#29)
(I always like Star Trek metaphor.) ;-)
#48. To: Kamala (#42)
There is only one question I have, if Pailin is such a "conservative and libertarian", how can she hitch her self to McCain?
#49. To: Kamala (#43)
#50. To: christine, Kamala (#49)
There is only one question I have, if Pailin is such a "conservative and libertarian", how can she hitch her self to McCain?
President _b_m_
would you like to pick a vowel?
"u"?
#51. To: Old Friend (#48)
#52. To: Pinguinite, christine, lodwick, all (#27)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#53. To: who knows what evil (#52)
#54. To: lodwick (#53)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#55. To: who knows what evil (#54)
You have to admit...that beats Texas.
#56. To: lodwick (#55)
#57. To: Cynicom (#56)
#58. To: lodwick (#57)
#59. To: Original_Intent (#50)
#60. To: who knows what evil (#52)
#61. To: christine. all (#60)
McCain/Palin website - not much yet, except the ever present 'Donate' button -
#62. To: Kamala, Ferret Mike, christine (#43)
#63. To: Hayek Fan (#19)
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Here's my question? Why the fuck does anyone care about Palin? She's a trophy conservative who will have no voice in a McStain Administration. The idiots on TOS2 who swore up and down they would never vote for McStain are now jizzing all over themselves and swearing their fealty to McStain as if Jesus Christ just annointed him King conservative. As if anything's actually changed. Unfriggin' believeable how easy people can be manipulated.
#64. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#63)
#65. To: Old Friend (#64)
#66. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#65)
#67. To: lodwick (#35)
(Edited)
McKook is goofy enough to defy his handlers - Senator Songbird is nuts.
#68. To: christine (#60)
i don't see a hair salon! ;)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#69. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#63)
If that's all it takes, America deserves the human garbage that it gets for elected officials.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#70. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#67)
Budweiser can run all the eye candy commercials it likes, it doesn't change the fact that their beer tastes like pisswater.
#71. To: who knows what evil, christine (#52)
#72. To: Pinguinite (#71)
But not a big enough city for my woman, so we didn't move there.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#73. To: who knows what evil (#72)
#74. To: Pinguinite (#73)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
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