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Title: McCain/Palin vs. Obama/Biden - how they compare academically
Source: Various
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Published: Aug 31, 2008
Author: Various
Post Date: 2008-08-31 00:08:49 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Views: 1840
Comments: 109

Palin
- Bachelors of Arts in Sports Journalism from Idaho.

McCain
- Bachelors from Naval Academy rank 5th from the bottom of his class of 800.

Biden
- BA University of Delaware in both History and Political Science.
- Juris Doctor (JD) from Syracuse University College of Law.

Obama
- BA in International Relations form Columbia University.
- Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude from Harvard in 1991. (That’s top of his class at arguably the best school in the country/world.) While at Harvard he was also president of the Harvard Law Review.

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#23. To: mirage (#16) (Edited)

USNA is also harder just to get into than Harvard is since each graduating class is only 1000 persons

McCain only got into USNA because his father and grandfather were admirals.

Just like Obama only got into Harvard Law school thanks to affirmative action, and Dumbya got into Yale and Harvard business school thanks to his father and grandfather's wealth, power, and connections.

None of these guys are exactly great talents who made it in life through merit or personal achievement.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-08-31   12:21:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#23)

Did Sarah Palin pull favors to get into an ivy league school? No she is regular folk and that is refreshing.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   12:22:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Old Friend (#24)

This choice of McSame speaks loudly of his own selfishness and fundamental frivolousness.

You are foolish if you believe that Palin’s “inexperience” and Obama’s “inexperience” are equivalent. Obama is quite obviously an impressive man with extraordinary qualities of organization, discipline and leadership. I see nothing in Palin’s record to suggest that she has any such qualities.

He is a man who has spent his adult life thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations about them with other serious, well-informed people; while Palin quite as clearly has done none of those things. He was the president of the Harvard Law Review; she was the point guard on her high school basketball team.

He has surrounded himself in his campaign with world-class people; and, I doubt that she has even met a half-dozen world-class people in her lifetime.

I am confident that Obama will surround himself with experienced, informed, competent advisors and that he would make no world-destroying blunders. I cannot say the same about Palin and, in view of what this choice reveals about McCain’s character and judgment, I cannot say the same of him either.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-08-31   12:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Old Friend (#24)

This choice says much more about McCain than it does about Palin, What it says about McCain is that he is more interested in politics than policy, more interested in campaigning than governing, tactical when he should be strategic, and reckless when he should be considered.

He is as big a gamble as president as Palin is as vice-president. This decision was about gut, about politics, about cynicism, and about vanity. It's just like something Bush would do.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-08-31   12:44:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

I see nothing in Palin’s record to suggest that she has any such qualities.

Obama had a chance to vote for a corruption bill but he passed. Sarah Palin has demonstrated that she will fight corruption in her own party. You seem kind of snobby looking down on her accomplishments. It makes you look anti woman. I'm not saying you are anti woman. I'm just saying your comments would be perceived that way.

What has Obama accomplished while in the senate? Zip, nada, nothing. He just goes around the country giving speeches that I must admit are pretty good.

He will not end the war in Iraq. He said that he couldn't guarantee that by the end of his first term troops would be gone.

I think you are projecting what you want Obama to be on him. Something he is not.

We conservatives are also probably doing the same with Sarah.

But at least she is gunuine common folk.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   12:47:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

He is a man who has spent his adult life thinking serious thoughts about serious issues and having serious conversations about them with other serious, well-informed people;

And for political expediency he still comes out in favor of murdering babies in the womb or out of the womb.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   12:47:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

This choice says much more about McCain than it does about Palin

The choice is similar to Obama's father insisting on calling his tramp mother Sidney.

Yellow Cake  posted on  2008-08-31   12:48:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

He was the president of the Harvard Law Review;

But he knew so little about the constitution that he thinks there is no second amendment. He also believes in the pretend right to murder your children.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   12:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

He has surrounded himself in his campaign with world-class people; and, I doubt that she has even met a half-dozen world-class people in her lifetime.

Elitist drivel. Obama wouldn't give someone like you the time of day. Sarah is common folk just like you.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   12:49:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Old Friend (#30) (Edited)

Palin has said that she thinks the second amendment relates to sportsmen. She even thinks the NRA fights for our second amendment rights.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   12:49:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Old Friend (#30)

But he knew so little about the constitution that he thinks there is no second amendment. He also believes in the pretend right to murder your children.

And he's campaigned in all 57 states...

A nation of idiots, ruled by moronic tyrants.

Lod  posted on  2008-08-31   12:51:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

This choice says much more about McCain than it does about Palin, What it says about McCain is that he is more interested in politics than policy, more interested in campaigning than governing, tactical when he should be strategic, and reckless when he should be considered.

He is as big a gamble as president as Palin is as vice-president. This decision was about gut, about politics, about cynicism, and about vanity. It's just like something Bush would do.

Be truthful Mike. Her pick worries you guys on the left doesn't it. You can see her resonating with the American people. That is why you try to tear her down when you know so little about her. It will backfire. You folks will say she is against abortion (not you in particular but the democratic party). That will make the base happy. Many women who wouldn't have voted for McCain will now vote for him. I think it is checkmate.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   12:51:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

We'll see over time if this selection "has legs."

So far, so good.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-08-31   12:52:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: buckeye (#32)

Palin has said that she thinks the second amendment relates to sportsmen.

It does relate to sportsmen. But did she say it isn't to defend yourself against tyrannical government. If you find something like that I would be happy to consider it.

The NRA isn't perfect for sure. But they do some good fighting for the second amendment. Not enough but it is better then none.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   12:53:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Old Friend (#36)

The NRA is false opposition. If you don't know that, then it explains how you've fallen for this Christian Zionist.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   12:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: lodwick (#33)

And he's campaigned in all 57 states...

Maybe he thought Indonesia was a state. And that place in Africa that his father was from. That would make 52. I wonder what the other five were.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   12:55:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: buckeye (#37)

The NRA is false opposition.

They don't go far enough in some circumstances. I will cede that point to you.

Are you in Ohio too. I mean you call yourself buckeye? Just curious.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   12:56:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Ferret Mike (#26)

Based on the concept of who of the four would best be able to run a government not that I think any of the them could I must say Palin is proberly the most qualified

robnoel  posted on  2008-08-31   12:57:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Old Friend (#38)

Rage Against The Machine - Testify Music Video

Raise your right hand... or your left.

You're doing it again, just like they did in 2000.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   12:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: buckeye (#41)

You're doing it again, just like they did in 2000.

Actually I intend on voting for Baldwin. But I must admit that Palin has given me a pause.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   12:59:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: christine (#20)

Emotional Intelligence (EI), often measured as an Emotional Intelligence Quotient (EQ), describes an ability, capacity, or skill to perceive, assess, and manage the emotions of one's self, of others, and of groups.

Say what?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-31   13:00:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Old Friend (#42)

McCain isn't going to die, and she's only going to bring in more Christian Zionist suckers. That's her job. It's working.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#23)

None of these guys are exactly great talents who made it in life through merit or personal achievement.

True all around and also the point everyone here has been making.

Obama is suspect due to Affirmative Action. His total lack of accomplishments compound that.

McCain is suspect due to legacy admissions at USNA.

That leaves us Palin and Biden when looking at the two major parties. One has been in the Senate for 35 years and is the consummate Washington Insider, the other is a self-described Libertarian, small business owner, mayor, and current sitting Governor as well as being about as far away from DC as one can get.

I just wish Palin was on TOP of the Pubbie ticket -or- Ron Paul's running mate. Now THAT would be exciting.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   13:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: buckeye (#44)

McCain isn't going to die,

Everyone is going to die.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:02:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: buckeye (#44)

That is why she was ripped by the Dems for wearing a Pat Buchanan button in 2000. They even called Pat a Nazi. Yeah she is such a zionist.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:03:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Old Friend (#47)

More false opposition. She's definitely a Zionist, or else she wouldn't be standing next to McCain blathering about Iran's nuclear program.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: buckeye (#48)

McCain blathering about Iran's nuclear program.

Zionists aren't the only ones concerned about a nuclear Iran.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: mirage, christine, buckeye, lodwick (#45)

I just wish Palin was on TOP of the Pubbie ticket -or- Ron Paul's running mate. Now THAT would be exciting.

Months ago when Paul was taking my loot, I tried to get in a word to the top to pick a VP then, not later, one that could orate, and one that was younger.

After several attempts, the closest thing to a reply was from some volunteer that said they did not reply to emails..."Please send money"...

Money defies gravity and flows upward, dung obeys gravity and you know the rest.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-08-31   13:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: buckeye (#48)

More false opposition.

So Pat Buchan and her planned this 8 years ago because she knew back at age 36 that 8 years later she would be picked for VP. Its a conspiracy I tell you. A conspiracy and you figured it out. Damn your smart.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:07:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: buckeye (#48)

So buckeye you have your opinions that is fine. How about sharing one more opinion.

Was she a wise pick as far as winning the election goes?

Do you think she helped McCain more the Biden helped Obama?

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:09:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: buckeye (#48)

Most Christians don't know about Zionism as it is a ideology rather than a religion which in turn explains their support of Israel and the Jewish religion

robnoel  posted on  2008-08-31   13:11:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#50)

After several attempts, the closest thing to a reply was from some volunteer that said they did not reply to emails..."Please send money"...

We're probably at 50% right now, although they say it'll take until 2050. It's all bread and circuses, and has been since 1965.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:12:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: Old Friend (#51)

So Pat Buchan and her planned this 8 years ago because she knew back at age 36 that 8 years later she would be picked for VP. Its a conspiracy I tell you.

I'm talking about the media playing up her support for Buchanan this week. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that. We're being played like violins.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:13:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: buckeye (#55)

I'm talking about the media playing up her support for Buchanan this week. Sorry I wasn't more clear on that. We're being played like violins.

I was being a little sarcastic with you. Perhaps we are being played like violins. But I like SP. She seems decent.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:19:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: Old Friend (#34)

"Be truthful Mike. Her pick worries you guys on the left doesn't it."

You are the one who seems rattled here. You don't even end your above quoted question with a question mark, and are sputtering around the forum trying to justify a crusade for this woman based on a Pro-Life alignment when the head of that ticket is only Pro-Life long enough to try to fool fundies and other crusaders against abortion to vote for him.

We see all the death, maiming and refugees pro-life Bush has created with his illegal and immoral wars, and he shows it takes more then the articulated right position during a campaign to actually do something that is genuinely pro-life.

As far as panic goes, I don't have that, sorry to dissapoint you. I expect a Democratic win in November, and don't think this desparate gambit by McCain will change that from happening.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-08-31   13:21:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Old Friend (#56)

I've always thought Reagan was decent, but he pulled in the Devil Himself. Find Charlotte Iserbyt's interviews on Google Video for more details as to what happened with the Department of Education during his tenure. They actually pulled in Soviet educational curriculum as a part of the Reykjavik cultural exchange protocols.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Ferret Mike (#57)

Ok..just wondered.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:23:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: buckeye (#58)

I like Reagan. He is far better then the choices we have today. Post some of this stuff you talk about and ping me when you get a chance. I will be happy to look at it.

Old Friend  posted on  2008-08-31   13:24:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Old Friend (#60)

I'll leave it to you to find. Good luck.

buckeye  posted on  2008-08-31   13:26:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: Old Friend (#56)

"She seems decent."

Appearences....OK, is this cute little praying mantis praying as the positions of it's upper two arms suggest, or is he or she hunger and looking to use them to rip apart prey?

Appearences are deceiving here, and McCain would never chose someone formitably pro-life for his ticket, because then he might be expected to actually act like he is Pro-Choice and not just pandering to religious conservatives whom he generally has always had little ot nothing to do with in his political career.


"You only have power over people so long as you don't take everything away from them. But when you've robbed a man of everything he's no longer in your power -- he's free again. Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-08-31   13:27:36 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: Ferret Mike (#25)

He has surrounded himself in his campaign with world-class people; and, I doubt that she has even met a half-dozen world-class people in her lifetime.

You just made the case against Obama as a change agent, Mike, and labeled him as an insider.

World-class people like William Ayers and Tony Rezko? Those kinds of world-class people?

Or do you mean the same "world-class" idiots responsible for the mess we're in right now?

Which one is it, because its one or the other.

A fisherman knows more about how to fix what ails us than these so-called experts who are the reason we're in a mess and the reason we're not likely to get out of it.

"A leader, for a change." - Jimmy Carter, 1976 campaign slogan. Sound familiar? Here it comes again!

mirage  posted on  2008-08-31   13:28:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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